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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2015 9:16:45 GMT
I'm still a little concerned that we've signed a little too many squad players and gambles and not enough tried and tested players who you'll know what you get. The window isn't closed yet but I'm just getting the impression were happy with what we have.
Haugaard - looks a decent 3rd keeper but will have no real impact.
Johnson - I like him. Good signing for me.
Moha - looks good but very raw. I don't expect him to make much impact till next season.
Joselu - jury's still out but certainly not a threat to Diouf from what I've seen. Seems to snatch at chances.
Van G - still to be convinced. Doesn't look like he can control a game.
Afellay - not a winger for me he and VG can't play together.
Shaq - needs games. I'm confident he'll be a great success.
Phil - I don't think he's that bad but clearly MH doesn't rate him that highly.
Plenty of time for players to come good but what worries me most is that bar Shaq and Glen I don't see anyone I'm convinced is a 1st team starter and will improve us which is what we needed. I'm worried if as we seem to be weve closed our window happy with what we have when we're weak in so many areas.
GK - excellent shape
RB - very strong
LB - fine
CB - desperate need of a leader till Ryan returns. Collins would be perfect for me.
DM - we need someone to help Glen out and ease VG into the first 11 gently. Sidwell clearly not good enough.
AM - excellent shape with Bojan, Ireland and Afellay.
AW - we cannot rely on Shaq and Arno and an injured Odom. I'd go for Matt Phillips.
FW - fine I really like Diouf.
I'm a bit worried about our "make do" attitude re covering for Ryan. I fear that could land is in a real mess. If I could sign one player it would be a CB as at least we could move GCam up then.
If we do sell super John it would be lunacy not to replace him at this stage.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2015 9:27:54 GMT
We do have a look at the minute of lets throw a load of decent and promising players in a bag and see what happens.
On the basis that we must try and get a player behind Diouf (probably Ireland) we have to stick with 4231. This means we potentially need three new players, a centre half, a defensive midfielder and a winger. A centre half would mean we have Cameron as a short term solution for midfield, so that's two players required.
Probably too late to get two in so if I had my choice a Centre Half is a must before 6pm tomorrow. To do nothing would be failure in my eyes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:27:54 GMT
I think the window has been average at best and indeed I think it's been pretty crap.
We've lost N'Zonzi and Moses and replaced them with Van Ginkel who is a work in progress and no one.
We've lost Shawcross and not replaced him despite him being the rock of our and part of a spine that we've had for 3 years and that has now been decimated.
We're in a situation where I think we've signed too many average players (minus Shaqiri) but still need 3 more.
A centre back is a must.
A left winger would be nice.
A central midfielder too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:31:45 GMT
I think the window has been average at best and indeed I think it's been pretty crap. We've lost N'Zonzi and Moses and replaced them with Van Ginkel who is a work in progress and no one. We've lost Shawcross and not replaced him despite him being the rock of our and part of a spine that we've had for 3 years and that has now been decimated. We're in a situation where I think we've signed too many average players (minus Shaqiri) but still need 3 more. A centre back is a must. A left winger would be nice. A central midfielder too. Really? It's just you've never said that before  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:32:51 GMT
I think the window has been average at best and indeed I think it's been pretty crap. We've lost N'Zonzi and Moses and replaced them with Van Ginkel who is a work in progress and no one. We've lost Shawcross and not replaced him despite him being the rock of our and part of a spine that we've had for 3 years and that has now been decimated. We're in a situation where I think we've signed too many average players (minus Shaqiri) but still need 3 more. A centre back is a must. A left winger would be nice. A central midfielder too. Really? It's just you've never said that before Are you really going to ruin another thread? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 31, 2015 9:33:22 GMT
It's a bit harsh throwing moha in there.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 31, 2015 9:35:09 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure .
The window was bad enough the results worse but for me no clean sheets and never looking like winning spell big big trouble ahead .
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Post by cymap on Aug 31, 2015 9:37:08 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 31, 2015 9:38:25 GMT
Really? It's just you've never said that before Are you really going to ruin another thread? Irony? |
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Post by fca47 on Aug 31, 2015 9:38:30 GMT
We're overloaded with very similar players in my opinion, need players who will take their man on across the midfield. All this playing across the pitch is making us so easy to defend against. Not really seen how Shaquiri is going to be for us, but the rest of the midfield is so predictable. Moses a definite if it is possible.
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 31, 2015 9:41:12 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure . The window was bad enough the results worse but for me no clean sheets and never looking like winning spell big big trouble ahead . And you can predict the future,after four games can you? I wish i had your foresight,i would be a very rich man. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:42:03 GMT
I'm still a little concerned that we've signed a little too many squad players and gambles and not enough tried and tested players who you know what your getting. The window isn't closed yet but I'm just getting the impression were happy with what we have. Haugaard - looks a decent 3rd keeper but will have no real impact. Johnson - I like him good signing for me. Moha - looks good but very raw. I don't expect him to make much impact till next season. Joselu - jury's still out but certainly not a threat to Diouf from what I've seen. Seems to snatch at chances. Van G - still to be convinced. Doesn't look like he can control a game. Afellay - not a winger for me he and VG can't play together. Shaq - needs games. I'm confident he'll be a great success. Phil - I don't think he's that bad but clearly MH doesn't rate him that highly. Plenty of time for players to come good but what worries me most is that bar Shaq and Glen I don't see anyone I'm convinced is a 1st team starter and will improve us which is what we needed. I'm worried if as we seem to be weve closed our window happy with what we have when we're weak in so many areas. GK - excellent shape RB - very strong LB - fine CB - desperate need of a leader till Ryan returns. Collins would be perfect for me. DM - we need someone to help Glen out and ease VG into the first 11 gently. Sidwell clearly not good enough. AM - excellent shape with Bojan, Ireland and Afellay. AW - we cannot rely on Shaq and Arno and an injured Odom. I'd go for Matt Phillips. FW - fine I really like Diouf. I'm a bit worried about our "make do" attitude re covering for Ryan. I fear that could land is in a real mess. If I could sign one player it would be a CB as at least we could move GCam up then. If we do sell super John it would be lunacy not to replace him at this stage. The jury is still out full stop as far as I'm concerned, but that's generally the case after 4 games so I'm not concerned. I'm not convinced a centre half is required, the Cameron/Muniesa partnership is far from perfect but still more solid than a lot of Premier League teams, if one is available short term then maybe but you've got to be careful with the dynamics of the dressing room. Personally I think we will see one of Walters/Crouch go with a winger coming in and that will be it, once our front 4 of Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Diouf are fit and hopefully firing away from home I think there's an argument to just have Cameron and Whelan sitting in front of the back 4 in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Wilson/Wollscheid partnering Muniesa. At home depending on the opposition one can be sacrificed for Adam who has the habit of unlocking defences in tight games. No one wanted us to be winless after 4 games, but I honestly think if we can handle the pressure of back to back home games against Bournemouth and Leicester we'll be flying from thereon in..... |
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 31, 2015 9:43:50 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year. My thoughts precisely |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2015 9:43:50 GMT
Definitely a slightly underwhelming window if it stays as is.
Shaq's obviously the sexy 'wow' addition that makes you go a bit ga-ga - but look under the bonnet, and there are a few worrying issues.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:43:50 GMT
It's a bit harsh throwing moha in there. It is but if we sign no cover for the left wing we might be in a position where we'll have to use him. |
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 31, 2015 9:45:43 GMT
I'm still a little concerned that we've signed a little too many squad players and gambles and not enough tried and tested players who you know what your getting. The window isn't closed yet but I'm just getting the impression were happy with what we have. Haugaard - looks a decent 3rd keeper but will have no real impact. Johnson - I like him good signing for me. Moha - looks good but very raw. I don't expect him to make much impact till next season. Joselu - jury's still out but certainly not a threat to Diouf from what I've seen. Seems to snatch at chances. Van G - still to be convinced. Doesn't look like he can control a game. Afellay - not a winger for me he and VG can't play together. Shaq - needs games. I'm confident he'll be a great success. Phil - I don't think he's that bad but clearly MH doesn't rate him that highly. Plenty of time for players to come good but what worries me most is that bar Shaq and Glen I don't see anyone I'm convinced is a 1st team starter and will improve us which is what we needed. I'm worried if as we seem to be weve closed our window happy with what we have when we're weak in so many areas. GK - excellent shape RB - very strong LB - fine CB - desperate need of a leader till Ryan returns. Collins would be perfect for me. DM - we need someone to help Glen out and ease VG into the first 11 gently. Sidwell clearly not good enough. AM - excellent shape with Bojan, Ireland and Afellay. AW - we cannot rely on Shaq and Arno and an injured Odom. I'd go for Matt Phillips. FW - fine I really like Diouf. I'm a bit worried about our "make do" attitude re covering for Ryan. I fear that could land is in a real mess. If I could sign one player it would be a CB as at least we could move GCam up then. If we do sell super John it would be lunacy not to replace him at this stage. The jury is still out full stop as far as I'm concerned, but that's generally the case after 4 games so I'm not concerned. I'm not convinced a centre half is required, the Cameron/Muniesa partnership is far from perfect but still more solid than a lot of Premier League teams, if one is available short term then maybe but you've got to be careful with the dynamics of the dressing room. Personally I think we will see one of Walters/Crouch go with a winger coming in and that will be it, once our front 4 of Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Diouf are fit and hopefully firing away from home I think there's an argument to just have Cameron and Whelan sitting in front of the back 4 in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Wilson/Wollscheid partnering Muniesa. At home depending on the opposition one can be sacrificed for Adam who has the habit of unlocking defences in tight games. No one wanted us to be winless after 4 games, but I honestly think if we can handle the pressure of back to back home games against Bournemouth and Leicester we'll be flying from thereon in..... The only person I'd allow Wollscheid to partner would be someone on the strictly come dancing show |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:46:03 GMT
Really? It's just you've never said that before Are you really going to ruin another thread?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 9:46:45 GMT
The jury is still out full stop as far as I'm concerned, but that's generally the case after 4 games so I'm not concerned. I'm not convinced a centre half is required, the Cameron/Muniesa partnership is far from perfect but still more solid than a lot of Premier League teams, if one is available short term then maybe but you've got to be careful with the dynamics of the dressing room. Personally I think we will see one of Walters/Crouch go with a winger coming in and that will be it, once our front 4 of Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Diouf are fit and hopefully firing away from home I think there's an argument to just have Cameron and Whelan sitting in front of the back 4 in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Wilson/Wollscheid partnering Muniesa. At home depending on the opposition one can be sacrificed for Adam who has the habit of unlocking defences in tight games. No one wanted us to be winless after 4 games, but I honestly think if we can handle the pressure of back to back home games against Bournemouth and Leicester we'll be flying from thereon in..... The only person I'd allow Wollscheid to partner would be someone on the strictly come dancing show Luckily the manager isn't as silly as you |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 31, 2015 9:47:02 GMT
It's a bit harsh throwing moha in there. It is but if we sign no cover for the left wing we might be in a position where we'll have to use him. Or we might be in a position where he's having a storming season for the under 21's and we want to use him. Either way he wasn't signed for the first team. |
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Post by Matthews dad on Aug 31, 2015 9:47:23 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! |
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2015 9:50:22 GMT
What Swansea have done so well is to replace 'like for like' when they've had to
What I don't understand with us is signing players where we already have as good / better (Joselu, Wolscheid) yet leaving great big holes where we really needed to replace / improve
We clearly don't intend in spending much more than we have brought in so why we have decided upon such a transfer policy in a season that paves the way for arguably the biggest payday football has ever seen seen I do not know
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Post by cymap on Aug 31, 2015 9:52:51 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! Weve had a net spend of about £3m and with the prem money that came in last season and this its penny pinching. We are 19th in the league for net spend and we supposedly want to move to the next level. Money isn't everything but you only have to look at the players that have come into the squad and they are not an improvement hence why Joselu and Wolli cant get a game. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:53:16 GMT
It is but if we sign no cover for the left wing we might be in a position where we'll have to use him. Or we might be in a position where he's having a storming season for the under 21's and we want to use him. Either way he wasn't signed for the first team. I agree he wasn't, which would make it all the more shite if we do end up using him before we wanted. He'll probably persist with Afellay if Arnie isn't firing on all cylinders but he's really not quick enough. |
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Post by fca47 on Aug 31, 2015 9:53:28 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! £11 million ? More like £7 million at most. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:53:43 GMT
Are you really going to ruin another thread? That's as may be but by God stop it. |
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 31, 2015 9:55:43 GMT
The only person I'd allow Wollscheid to partner would be someone on the strictly come dancing show Luckily the manager isn't as silly as you Well he was silly enough - if that was his decision - to spunk 3.5 million on a player who can't even get on the bench when the regular CB he was supposed to replace is out injured for 3-4 months Great business that !! Solved all our defensive problems by buying a reserve for the reserved have we? But I'm so silly I forgot wolly played for Germany twice !! Earth shattering that is !! Couldn't find anything on the second cap but the first one happened to be a friendly against mighty Ecuador in the summer heat of Florida !!! And then we have the temerity on this board to describe as shit players who play for other clubs with the list including Cahill, Henderson, Johnson (in his pre-stoke days), Lennon and yday even Austin !!! If these are shit then what does that make wolly ???!!! |
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Post by Matthews dad on Aug 31, 2015 10:00:04 GMT
£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! £11 million ? More like £7 million at most. Joselu was £6mil wanner he?? Shite Phil was £4mil ish  Whatever it was, it was that much too much! |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 31, 2015 10:00:13 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure .
The window was bad enough the results worse but for me the performances no clean sheets and never looking like winning but always the position of going under spell big big trouble ahead .
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2015 10:02:29 GMT
Ultimately I'm not convinced that MH is 100 percent happy with the situation despite what he's quite rightly been saying on SKY etc about being happy with the group of players he has. He wont be happy with the start and wouldn't want to upset the players he has here already but there are problems in certain areas that anyone can see need addressing. It must have been a massive blow losing Ryan who hasn't been replaced which hasn't helped. To make do with a group of CB's none of whom have the same attributes as Ryan is a huge risk and if we don't bring anyone in and things do go from bad to worse someone needs to be held accountable as it's a massive oversight. Of course we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but if he's been told "make do" then you can imagine him quite rightly being very cheesed off. He's a bright manager who clearly wont be happy with the start we've had and on the whole having to get in players with no transfer fees (with some obvious exceptions) and balance the books will leave us behind the likes of West Ham and even Villa. I'm pretty sure we'll be fine but after 4 games we aren't where we want to be it's just a case of how confident he is that this group can get us out of the situation. The frustrating thing is that we've had the line all summer about us offering massive money for Yarmo and the money being there and some of the options like Collins wouldn't cost much but could make a huge difference to our side. I'm not a doom and gloom merchant (like the poster immediately above me  )who wants to grumble at everything about our great club just a bit concerned that we're being left behind by others and not addressing clear issues when other clubs are and they're not even in our position currently. Ultimately we'll only know by the end of the season but what we're doing at the moment (sticking rather than twisting) is looking more and more like a huge gamble. |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 10:03:35 GMT
Can people stop using this term "we've lost Moses". He was never ours to begin with and while I hoped we would sign him, deep down, I knew we wouldn't. He's exactly the kind of big squad player Chelsea need and he will do a job for them.
I'm in no doubt that Hughes will have asked Chelsea what their price tag was and it'll have been much higher, thanks to a very good season for us. Don't forget his injury issues too so Victor was never the silver bullet.
For me, the thing we lack the most now is a leader at the back. I hoped Geoff would use his experience but it just isn't happening and that's despite playing very very well so far this season.
Unfortunately, if Ryan had had the opp when he should have, this could have all been avoided.
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)who wants to grumble at everything about our great club just a bit concerned that we're being left behind by others and not addressing clear issues when other clubs are and they're not even in our position currently. 
