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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:45:16 GMT
Can we finally put this Hodgson agenda against Stoke bullshit to bed now? Not until he's picking shawcross I fear. Good chance it's never going to happen though. Surely picking Butland proves he has no anti Stoke bias though and he just doesn't rate Shawcross as much as we do?
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Post by whydelilah on Aug 31, 2015 12:52:25 GMT
From your deflection I accept your admission of defeat. Defeat? I always said he'd be a good 'keeper. He scared me shitless yes but he's improved massively in 12 months. So then......your tantrum, what was that about? That's almost as good a backtrack as your "Bojan is shit" moment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 12:55:09 GMT
Defeat? I always said he'd be a good 'keeper. He scared me shitless yes but he's improved massively in 12 months. So then......your tantrum, what was that about? That's almost as good a backtrack as your "Bojan is shit" moment. It's no backtrack though is it? And lets be honest. He's had 4 games, 4 games we haven't won, 1 in which he should stop a goal, it's not the time nor place to be boasting. Lets see where we are after a season with him in. There's still lots of time yet. But at the minute he is the least of our worries, which is very good because if he was a worry, we'd be bottom with no points. Which is quite frankly what I expected!
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 31, 2015 13:02:11 GMT
The first XI may look okay, but the squad is very weak in terms of strength in depth - Shelvey, Vardy, Mason......mediocre players who'd be nowhere near the squad only a few years ago.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 13:05:02 GMT
That's almost as good a backtrack as your "Bojan is shit" moment. It's no backtrack though is it? And lets be honest. He's had 4 games, 4 games we haven't won, 1 in which he should stop a goal, it's not the time nor place to be boasting. Lets see where we are after a season with him in. There's still lots of time yet. But at the minute he is the least of our worries, which is very good because if he was a worry, we'd be bottom with no points. Which is quite frankly what I expected! To be fair bayern, you can't equate our not winning any of our four games with boasting about Butland's form. But for his excellent performances so far we would, indeed, be bottom with no points. Oh, and you're in a very, very small minority that continues to argue he should have saved Liverpool's goal. Don't want to open out THAT debate again but I'm with the majority who think he did brilliant to get anywhere near it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 13:07:59 GMT
It's no backtrack though is it? And lets be honest. He's had 4 games, 4 games we haven't won, 1 in which he should stop a goal, it's not the time nor place to be boasting. Lets see where we are after a season with him in. There's still lots of time yet. But at the minute he is the least of our worries, which is very good because if he was a worry, we'd be bottom with no points. Which is quite frankly what I expected! To be fair bayern, you can't equate our not winning any of our four games with boasting about Butland's form. But for his excellent performances so far we would, indeed, be bottom with no points. Oh, and you're in a very, very small minority that continues to argue he should have saved Liverpool's goal. Don't want to open out THAT debate again but I'm with the majority who think he did brilliant to get anywhere near it. I think you can because he could easily have a bad run and if he does we'll get even worse. I think he'll be in that minority tbh, look where the ball goes in, it's not in the corner, it's well inside the post, his hand is just too weak.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 31, 2015 13:08:00 GMT
That's almost as good a backtrack as your "Bojan is shit" moment. It's no backtrack though is it? And lets be honest. He's had 4 games, 4 games we haven't won, 1 in which he should stop a goal, it's not the time nor place to be boasting. Lets see where we are after a season with him in. There's still lots of time yet. But at the minute he is the least of our worries, which is very good because if he was a worry, we'd be bottom with no points. Which is quite frankly what I expected! Genuine question, why do you only see the negatives on EVERY situation? He has been our MOM in nearly all games so far, pulled off a number of world class saves, we would have conceded a lot more goals if Asmir was still here IMO and you choose to focus on the few negatives? You must be a barrel of laughs in the pub!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 13:11:14 GMT
It's no backtrack though is it? And lets be honest. He's had 4 games, 4 games we haven't won, 1 in which he should stop a goal, it's not the time nor place to be boasting. Lets see where we are after a season with him in. There's still lots of time yet. But at the minute he is the least of our worries, which is very good because if he was a worry, we'd be bottom with no points. Which is quite frankly what I expected! Genuine question, why do you only see the negatives on EVERY situation? He has been our MOM in nearly all games so far, pulled off a number of world class saves, we would have conceded a lot more goals if Asmir was still here IMO and you choose to focus on the few negatives? You must be a barrel of laughs in the pub! Because then when good happens it's even better and if the shit happens I expected it and it doesn't bother me. No we wouldn't! Asmir is a world class shot stopper and is still better than Butland. But that is irrelevent, Butland has been brilliant so far this season, Bego is now an irrelevance. However, Butland is young, he's not the finished article and he could easily go on a bad run of form, if he does we have got to stay with him and we can't expect this level of performance every week and he will make the odd error like Liverpool. We have to live with it.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 13:13:49 GMT
To be fair bayern, you can't equate our not winning any of our four games with boasting about Butland's form. But for his excellent performances so far we would, indeed, be bottom with no points. Oh, and you're in a very, very small minority that continues to argue he should have saved Liverpool's goal. Don't want to open out THAT debate again but I'm with the majority who think he did brilliant to get anywhere near it. I think you can because he could easily have a bad run and if he does we'll get even worse. I think he'll be in that minority tbh, look where the ball goes in, it's not in the corner, it's well inside the post, his hand is just too weak. He has been outstanding so far Bayern so, regardless of how many games we have/or haven't won, it's right that people are highlighting just how good he's been so far. It's not where tha ball entered the goal mate, it's how well Butland does to get to it from his starting position and considering the speed of the ball. Anyway, Liverpool aside, there's a fair chance we'd be pointless now but for the outstanding form of Butland (admittedly only 4 games in).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 13:15:50 GMT
I think you can because he could easily have a bad run and if he does we'll get even worse. I think he'll be in that minority tbh, look where the ball goes in, it's not in the corner, it's well inside the post, his hand is just too weak. He has been outstanding so far Bayern so, regardless of how many games we have/or haven't won, it's right that people are highlighting just how good he's been so far. It's not where tha ball entered the goal mate, it's how well Butland does to get to it from his starting position and considering the speed of the ball. Anyway, Liverpool aside, there's a fair chance we'd be pointless now but for the outstanding form of Butland (admittedly only 4 games in). It is doz but that's missing the specific point and who it is aimed against. WD does this, digs in, whines, gets pissed and then angry and then deletes when you fight back. It's pathetic. This has nothing to do with Jack Butland.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 31, 2015 13:18:47 GMT
Genuine question, why do you only see the negatives on EVERY situation? He has been our MOM in nearly all games so far, pulled off a number of world class saves, we would have conceded a lot more goals if Asmir was still here IMO and you choose to focus on the few negatives? You must be a barrel of laughs in the pub! Because then when good happens it's even better and if the shit happens I expected it and it doesn't bother me. No we wouldn't! Asmir is a world class shot stopper and is still better than Butland. But that is irrelevent, Butland has been brilliant so far this season, Bego is now an irrelevance. However, Butland is young, he's not the finished article and he could easily go on a bad run of form, if he does we have got to stay with him and we can't expect this level of performance every week and he will make the odd error like Liverpool. We have to live with it. But the fact that we would miss him shows how good he is at the moment no? I think if we still had Asmir (especially the Asmir from last season) we would be bottom, with no points and at least a -6 goal difference IMO Jack is excellent at commanding his area, exceptional distribution and his shot stopping is second to none and still young (very young for a keeper) I feel safer with Butland between the sticks than I did with Begovic last season! The Liverpool goal was not an error I agree it wasn't tucked right into the corner but the ball was moving and I think Jack did well to get a hand on it! I am pretty certain that Butland.was disappointed with it himself but to say it was an error isn't correct
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 13:22:07 GMT
Because then when good happens it's even better and if the shit happens I expected it and it doesn't bother me. No we wouldn't! Asmir is a world class shot stopper and is still better than Butland. But that is irrelevent, Butland has been brilliant so far this season, Bego is now an irrelevance. However, Butland is young, he's not the finished article and he could easily go on a bad run of form, if he does we have got to stay with him and we can't expect this level of performance every week and he will make the odd error like Liverpool. We have to live with it. But the fact that we would miss him shows how good he is at the moment no? I think if we still had Asmir (especially the Asmir from last season) we would be bottom, with no points and at least a -6 goal difference IMO Jack is excellent at commanding his area, exceptional distribution and his shot stopping is second to none and still young (very young for a keeper) I feel safer with Butland between the sticks than I did with Begovic last season! The Liverpool goal was not an error I agree it wasn't tucked right into the corner but the ball was moving and I think Jack did well to get a handle on it! I am pretty certain that bottle an The Liverpool goal was not an error I agree it wasn't tucked right into the corner but the ball was moving and I think Jack did well to get a hand on it! I am pretty certain that Butland.was disappointed with it himself but to say it was an error isn't correct I haven't said anything different! I don't particularly but that's a great testament to him. Like I said this has nothing to Butland and everything to do WD being a tart! I do think he should save the Liverpool goal though, he jumped past it and got a weak hand on it and I suspect he'd be more than disappointed with it. But again it's an irrelevance and I only mention it to wind WD up.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 31, 2015 13:24:35 GMT
But the fact that we would miss him shows how good he is at the moment no? I think if we still had Asmir (especially the Asmir from last season) we would be bottom, with no points and at least a -6 goal difference IMO Jack is excellent at commanding his area, exceptional distribution and his shot stopping is second to none and still young (very young for a keeper) I feel safer with Butland between the sticks than I did with Begovic last season! The Liverpool goal was not an error I agree it wasn't tucked right into the corner but the ball was moving and I think Jack did well to get a handle on it! I am pretty certain that bottle an The Liverpool goal was not an error I agree it wasn't tucked right into the corner but the ball was moving and I think Jack did well to get a hand on it! I am pretty certain that Butland.was disappointed with it himself but to say it was an error isn't correct I haven't said anything different! I don't particularly but that's a great testament to him. Like I said this has nothing to Butland and everything to do WD being a tart! I do think he should save the Liverpool goal though, he jumped past it and got a weak hand on it and I suspect he'd be more than disappointed with it. But again it's an irrelevance and I only mention it to wind WD up. Ok mate, your opinion is your opinion regardless of if its sole purpose is to piss WD off or not
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 13:28:09 GMT
I haven't said anything different! I don't particularly but that's a great testament to him. Like I said this has nothing to Butland and everything to do WD being a tart! I do think he should save the Liverpool goal though, he jumped past it and got a weak hand on it and I suspect he'd be more than disappointed with it. But again it's an irrelevance and I only mention it to wind WD up. Ok mate, your opinion is your opinion regardless of if its sole purpose is to piss WD off or not It is but I didn't bang on about it after the Liverpool game because there is no need for it like there's no need for WD's bullshit. But needs must. He'll delete in another 6 months anyway! And it's childish, there's no need for it but that's no fun!
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Post by whydelilah on Aug 31, 2015 13:59:46 GMT
I haven't said anything different! I don't particularly but that's a great testament to him. Like I said this has nothing to Butland and everything to do WD being a tart! I do think he should save the Liverpool goal though, he jumped past it and got a weak hand on it and I suspect he'd be more than disappointed with it. But again it's an irrelevance and I only mention it to wind WD up. Ok mate, your opinion is your opinion regardless of if its sole purpose is to piss WD off or not Saying Butland is shit doesn't piss me off. It just makes the person saying it look an absolute idiot when he's been arguably our best player this season. When things aren't quite going to plan you don't start by slagging off your top performers. It's just plain stupidity, and most people on here will agree with that. Anyway, I'm off for a cold beer in the Florida sunshine/occasional intense thunderstorm Much love x
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2015 14:46:14 GMT
I'm here lads, sorry I'm late but I'll clear up this confusion.
Butland is better than Begovic.
You're welcome.
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Post by Northy on Aug 31, 2015 16:37:07 GMT
Yep England told our goalie is nursing a broken finger and needs to rest it thanks a bunch 'Woy' you deluded dribbling senile old fucking codger So why did he play against Norwich and on Saturday then? Are we now sounding like calcium deficient mincing Arsenal ?
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 31, 2015 17:25:35 GMT
Brilliant for Jack and Stoke.
Before the season started I wondered if a 21 year old keeper would have the confidence to replace Bego. But having seen him play a few timesthere's no worries,. This lad has got it in spades.
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