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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 31, 2015 8:23:52 GMT
I think what happened on Saturday is a blessing in disguise ......it seemed to weld the team together and make them stronger Hopefully, one day, the supporters will do similar........it'll work far better than picking players out to blame Good luck with that one frasier !!!!
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 31, 2015 8:25:34 GMT
Amazing performance and 1 of the Stoke players that never goes missing week in week out wherever he is played. With the weakening of our squad during the window he is fast becoming 1 of our most important players as he seems to be able to play anywhere and wont moan wherever he is played and more importantly does a great job wherever he is slotted in. He is a square peg at centre back though and does lose his man at times and I hope Hughes does not see him as the long term answer in this position
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 31, 2015 8:26:22 GMT
Simple truth is it was his man he did not track him.so it was his fault.we can blame the fre or the players who got sent off but if Cameron had covered his man we would have come away from the game with a point I disagree, if we hadnt conceded at that point then who knows we could have conceded at any other point in the game and probably would have. The fact we came up against a typical pulis who hadent got a clue or the personnel to change it and give us a tonking helped us and I will say it again, any other side would have put 3-4 past us!
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:28:44 GMT
Simple truth is it was his man he did not track him.so it was his fault.we can blame the fre or the players who got sent off but if Cameron had covered his man we would have come away from the game with a point The simple truth is it was a marvelous cross. No defender could of stopped that as the buildup of sucking Pieters and Muniesa up had left room at the back. It had pace, it was curling from right to left from a great open footed right sided strike as it cleared two defenders with pace and height to land right in Rondon's path only as he heads it back far post 3-4 yards left of the nearest post. Butland and Geoff could do nothing. www.timesoccer.com/video/011/20-west-bromwich-vs-stoke-city-live-highlights.htmlwww.timesoccer.com/video/011/20-west-bromwich-vs-stoke-city-live-highlights.html
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Post by spoton on Aug 31, 2015 8:33:46 GMT
But we they didn't score again so the only important time was there goal.again if they had not scored then we had a point
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:36:28 GMT
But we they didn't score again so the only important time was there goal.again if they had not scored then we had a point They didn't score again because they had scored and parked the bus in typical pulis fashion and started timewasting and play acting with cramp vs 9 men in the second half and because of that we were on the up with those 9 players who gave it a real go. Beforehand they had most of the possession in first half after our two players who had went off when they scored at the death of the half from their sub Lambert a real class at crossing and headers had a marvelous through ball...
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Post by spoton on Aug 31, 2015 8:37:04 GMT
Stokemanusa.then I must have more confidence in shawcross I'm sure he would have covered that cross
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:38:53 GMT
Stokemanusa.then I must have more confidence in shawcross I'm sure he would have covered that cross I wouldn't have with 9 men. Besides Ryan is slower than Geoff and even he couldn't of closed that fast as the ball was above him going right to left and landed over his left shoulder onto Rondon's space into which he was running. I don't think you realize how good of a ball it was personally. It's sheer brilliance on the other players part in this case Lambert, which is easier to do up 2 men. Even Pulis praised his ball in.
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 31, 2015 8:40:59 GMT
But we they didn't score again so the only important time was there goal.again if they had not scored then we had a point Sorry fella but that is just totally wrong, because you can not predict the future having changed the past! If they had not scored then who knows what may have happened and which direction the game would have turned! That's like saying my day would pan out exactly the same if I had gotten out of bed at mid day instead of 7 this morning which is not true because I would have not posted on here and wouldn't be having this discussion! Which means my life would have taken a slightly different direction!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 8:42:59 GMT
I'm harsh on anyone who I think is a liability and I think he is one. Wilson comes under this too, I just think he's less of one, neither for me are centre backs though. I don't see Geoff as a footballer at all, irrespective of the goals he's at fault for he plays like his feet on the wrong legs and treats the ball like hot potato! Yeah I think he's a shit defender who costs us goals, I don't like them. File him along with Marc Wilson, Danny Collins, Leon Cort and Michael Duberry! You think geoff was the liability the other day? WOW. How about a little dutch eejit and a little scottish eejit who gave our team 9 men to which WBA of all teams could batter us for 75 mins... You're trying to blame the goal the other day on Geoff... lol the best defender in the world couldn't of stopped that ball curling in off of Richie Lambert's foot over pieters and past Geoff onto Rondon's head... Lol your grasping again at 3am on the Oatcake two days after the 9 men gave their all... someone's got a problem. Bayern go to bed. No I don't. I just think he was at fault for the goal. The liability as I've said was the manager for me. Bull couldn't they. First Cameron and Johnson were both deeper than the other two, if they held the line they could have played him onside but that would have taken balls of steel and a competent linesman. Then he switches off and loses his man and can't deal with, he's too far from his man because he's switched off. It was bad defending and defending the back post is one of Geoff's weaknesses, one of the reasons I didn't like him at full back.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:45:39 GMT
You think geoff was the liability the other day? WOW. How about a little dutch eejit and a little scottish eejit who gave our team 9 men to which WBA of all teams could batter us for 75 mins... You're trying to blame the goal the other day on Geoff... lol the best defender in the world couldn't of stopped that ball curling in off of Richie Lambert's foot over pieters and past Geoff onto Rondon's head... Lol your grasping again at 3am on the Oatcake two days after the 9 men gave their all... someone's got a problem. Bayern go to bed. No I don't. I just think he was at fault for the goal. The liability as I've said was the manager for me. I'm harsh on anyone who I think is a liability and I think he is one. Right... So changing your tune every other nonsensical post are we? lol He didn't lose his man his man ran the channel to his left which Lambert dropped in a great ball LOL
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 8:47:46 GMT
No I don't. I just think he was at fault for the goal. The liability as I've said was the manager for me. I'm harsh on anyone who I think is a liability and I think he is one. Right... So changing your tune every other nonsensical post are we? lol I've edited it a bit! I was talking generally there! Did I then go on to mention other liability defender I thought we had that people liked? It wasn't specific to this game.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:49:03 GMT
I'm harsh on anyone who I think is a liability and I think he is one. Right... So changing your tune every other nonsensical post are we? lol I've edited it a bit! I was talking generally there! Did I then go on to mention other liability defender I thought we had that people liked? It wasn't specific to this game. Sure... Keep going this diatribe is wonderful and just makes you look even more an eejit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 8:51:47 GMT
I've edited it a bit! I was talking generally there! Did I then go on to mention other liability defender I thought we had that people liked? It wasn't specific to this game. Sure... Keep going this diatribe is wonderful and just makes you look even more an eejit. Well no because it's there in black and white that I was talking in general, answering the question if I didn't hate him because he was American, why did I. It had nothing to do with this game. But then you have a history of not being able to read so another case of this is no shock.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 8:54:26 GMT
So let me get this right, two players get sent off, our remaining 9 are being pulled all over the place at that time and you blame one of our better players for the goal! I think you need to take a break from this forum as you really are spending far too much time on here and loosing the plot! If you want to point the blame, point the finger at Adam and Afellay! But Cameron was in position and should have defended the situation. It doesn't matter that we were down to 9 men. He was there, it was his man that ran free, it was Geoff Cameron that switched off. It's Geoff Cameron that does it far too often. And as I've said, I've blamed the manager for Saturday for picking the two morons that got sent off who never should have been starting in the first place.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 8:55:13 GMT
Sure... Keep going this diatribe is wonderful and just makes you look even more an eejit. Well no because it's there in black and white that I was talking in general, answering the question if I didn't hate him because he was American, why did I. It had nothing to do with this game. But then you have a history of not being able to read so another case of this is no shock. Nice attempt to alter context and your own written words... So he's a liability generally but not in this game or is he a liability because he's American... I think your 48 hr bash-a-thon after the fact has been a wonderful read and it really shows how far you've lost the bloody plot man. No mention of Lambert's amazing right to left cross which had Butland flat footed in 48 hours... What blinders you've got lol
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 8:58:12 GMT
But we they didn't score again so the only important time was there goal.again if they had not scored then we had a point Sorry fella but that is just totally wrong, because you can not predict the future having changed the past! If they had not scored then who knows what may have happened and which direction the game would have turned! That's like saying my day would pan out exactly the same if I had gotten out of bed at mid day instead of 7 this morning which is not true because I would have not posted on here and wouldn't be having this discussion! Which means my life would have taken a slightly different direction! You can't but then reckon other sides would have lost 3/4 nil. Alls I know is that Cameron clearly switched off when he shouldn't have done and it's got nowt to do with how many we had.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:00:22 GMT
Well no because it's there in black and white that I was talking in general, answering the question if I didn't hate him because he was American, why did I. It had nothing to do with this game. But then you have a history of not being able to read so another case of this is no shock. Nice attempt to alter context and your own written words... So he's a liability generally but not in this game or is he a liability because he's American... I think your 48 hr bash-a-thon after the fact has been a wonderful read and it really shows how far you've lost the bloody plot man. No mention of Lambert's amazing right to left cross which had Butland flat footed in 48 hours... What blinders you've got lol He worked bastard hard (again as I've said) but as at fault for another goal. It was a good cross but it was one that should have been dealt and would have been if we had a centre back playing there. I would imagine Butland was waiting for his centre half to deal with it. A good one would have done.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 9:03:13 GMT
Nice attempt to alter context and your own written words... So he's a liability generally but not in this game or is he a liability because he's American... I think your 48 hr bash-a-thon after the fact has been a wonderful read and it really shows how far you've lost the bloody plot man. No mention of Lambert's amazing right to left cross which had Butland flat footed in 48 hours... What blinders you've got lol He worked bastard hard (again as I've said) but as at fault for another goal. It was a good cross but it was one that should have been dealt and would have been if we had a centre back playing there. I would imagine Butland was waiting for his centre half to deal with it. A good one would have done. He wasn't at fault for shit, Lambert's cross was worldy, high with pace from right to left with curl which made Butland think twice as he double jab stepped then watched as it landed only where Rondon could glance it back across jack far post. Quit making shit up. Cameron didn't switch off nor Johnson to his left. The only stoke players to "switch off" or at "fault" were Afellay and Adam. End of. Get some sleep you daft old bugger. I'll let you have the last word as you always think you're right but like with everything you'll say their shit to cover your ass.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:06:25 GMT
He worked bastard hard (again as I've said) but as at fault for another goal. It was a good cross but it was one that should have been dealt and would have been if we had a centre back playing there. I would imagine Butland was waiting for his centre half to deal with it. A good one would have done. He wasn't at fault for shit, Lambert's cross was worldy, high with pace from right to left with curl which made Butland think twice as he double jab stepped then watched as it landed only where Rondon could glance it back across jack far post. Quit making shit up. Cameron didn't switch off nor Johnson to his left. The only stoke players to "switch off" or at "fault" were Afellay and Adam. End of. Get some sleep you daft old bugger. He's switched off and let his man go. That's bad defending. What's Johnson got to do with it? It's Cameron's man! For the game yes but I'm not on about the game, I'm talking about the goal. Bad defending caused the goal, I think it's a goal we concede with 11 men.
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Post by Davef on Aug 31, 2015 9:07:44 GMT
He wasn't at fault for shit, Lambert's cross was worldy, high with pace from right to left with curl which made Butland think twice as he double jab stepped then watched as it landed only where Rondon could glance it back across jack far post. Quit making shit up. Cameron didn't switch off nor Johnson to his left. The only stoke players to "switch off" or at "fault" were Afellay and Adam. End of. Get some sleep you daft old bugger. He's switched off and let his man go. That's bad defending. What's Johnson got to do with it? It's Cameron's man! For the game yes but I'm not on about the game, I'm talking about the goal. Bad defending caused the goal, I think it's a goal we concede with 11 men. Not in that game it isn't because Lambert isn't on the bloody pitch at 11 v 11!
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 9:08:47 GMT
He wasn't at fault for shit, Lambert's cross was worldy, high with pace from right to left with curl which made Butland think twice as he double jab stepped then watched as it landed only where Rondon could glance it back across jack far post. Quit making shit up. Cameron didn't switch off nor Johnson to his left. The only stoke players to "switch off" or at "fault" were Afellay and Adam. End of. Get some sleep you daft old bugger. He's switched off and let his man go. That's bad defending. What's Johnson got to do with it? It's Cameron's man! For the game yes but I'm not on about the game, I'm talking about the goal. Bad defending caused the goal, I think it's a goal we concede with 11 men. No mention of Lambert in 49 hours... The clock continues as does the broken record. G'bye Bayern. I expect 10 more pages of you making up excuses but ignoring the actual event which made the goal... the "Assist."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:11:52 GMT
He's switched off and let his man go. That's bad defending. What's Johnson got to do with it? It's Cameron's man! For the game yes but I'm not on about the game, I'm talking about the goal. Bad defending caused the goal, I think it's a goal we concede with 11 men. Not in that game it isn't because Lambert isn't on the bloody pitch at 11 v 11! Very true but that's the only thing stopping that situation! Because we don't stop crosses and Geoff does have a tendency to not know what's going on over his shoulder. It was the only error we made all game from an actual playing point of view and it was a proper shitty time too. I think with 10 men we would have beat them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 9:13:15 GMT
He's switched off and let his man go. That's bad defending. What's Johnson got to do with it? It's Cameron's man! For the game yes but I'm not on about the game, I'm talking about the goal. Bad defending caused the goal, I think it's a goal we concede with 11 men. No mention of Lambert in 49 hours... The clock continues as does the broken record. G'bye Bayern. I expect 10 more pages of you making up excuses but ignoring the actual event which made the goal... the "Assist." Yeah and you can deal with crosses you know? It's a weakness of Geoff's and it showed again. And it just serves to highlight why we can't rely on a makeshift centre back like Geoff or Wilson there. We need a specialist...........that isn't Wollscheid.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Aug 31, 2015 14:20:41 GMT
Geoff Cameron was tremendous against WBA his only mistake cost us the goal. With Ryan Shawcross out if Geoff Cameron didn't play in defence who would you put in there?
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 31, 2015 14:21:12 GMT
No mention of Lambert in 49 hours... The clock continues as does the broken record. G'bye Bayern. I expect 10 more pages of you making up excuses but ignoring the actual event which made the goal... the "Assist." Yeah and you can deal with crosses you know? It's a weakness of Geoff's and it showed again. And it just serves to highlight why we can't rely on a makeshift centre back like Geoff or Wilson there. We need a specialist...........that isn't Wollscheid. Change the record. Every footballer in the world makes a mistake. Even messi. Chill the fuck out, your blinkered by one bad point and not all the good he did.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 14:26:45 GMT
Yeah and you can deal with crosses you know? It's a weakness of Geoff's and it showed again. And it just serves to highlight why we can't rely on a makeshift centre back like Geoff or Wilson there. We need a specialist...........that isn't Wollscheid. Change the record. Every footballer in the world makes a mistake. Even messi. Chill the fuck out, your blinkered by one bad point and not all the good he did. They do but Geoff makes the same mistakes consistently, that's the issue. It does sound a lot like the defence Collins got this, we know how that ended.....
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 14:29:39 GMT
Change the record. Every footballer in the world makes a mistake. Even messi. Chill the fuck out, your blinkered by one bad point and not all the good he did. They do but Geoff makes the same mistakes consistently, that's the issue. It does sound a lot like the defence Collins got this, we know how that ended..... WHAT????? You mean there were people who didn't like Collins?????
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 14:31:41 GMT
They do but Geoff makes the same mistakes consistently, that's the issue. It does sound a lot like the defence Collins got this, we know how that ended..... WHAT????? You mean there were people who didn't like Collins????? That was a strange episode in this board's history. He was way more of a calamity than Wilson or Cameron admittedly but most people defended him. Why? I must be wired completely differently!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 14:35:48 GMT
WHAT????? You mean there were people who didn't like Collins????? That was a strange episode in this board's history. He was way more of a calamity than Wilson or Cameron admittedly but most people defended him. Why? I must be wired completely differently! I can only speak (sheepishly) for myself mate I just felt that (at the time) we were condemning him after far too few games. On reflection, I think we gave him too many.
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