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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 16:51:43 GMT
It resembled a beach more than a football field! Pretty grassy looking beach that, remind me never to book a resort based on your recommendation Even still, it's a dodgy as fuck looking football pitch!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 23, 2015 16:52:30 GMT
I'd use it as an experimental exercise to sort owt a few teething issues. Whatever system we ought to have the personnel to beat them. I'd like more evidence
How best to integrate Johnson, and how to fill the void with his high defensive line.. How fit is Wilson? Where best to utilise Muniesa. Give Wollscheid a full game. Give Sidwell his 'own' game to start and impose himself on, before the window closes. Have a look at Van Ginkel with a definite brief to shield the defence and mop up? Give Ireland another Cup run to build his confidence/interest. How close to Prem starts is Bojan? Is there a way of playing Joselu and Diouf together? the dreaded 3-5-2.
----------------Haugaard------------------- -------Cameron Wollscheid Wilson----------- ---Johnson Van Ginkel Sidwell Muniesa---- -----------------Ireland {Bojan}-------- ---------------Diouf Joselu----------------
Easy to resort to 4 at the back, with a change, if it's not working.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 23, 2015 16:59:05 GMT
2 different issues here
We have 26 players for the 25 man nominated squad , at least one of them needs to be sold or loaned out and MH will be using this game to finalise his plans from the beginning of September
As with every game we will be fielding a team to win the match We need a strong bench to support the starting 11 MH has suggested that ideally all players who did not feature yesterday will have a chance, that includes Bojan. I see Crouch, Walters, Joselu, Ireland, Bardsley,Wollscheid, Moha, Wilson, Given getting plenty of time - interesting situation re Sidwell
Only MH and co know exactly how far he is from our starting 11 Heres hoping that all of our players come through the game injury free and we progress to the next round
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 23, 2015 17:02:14 GMT
Luton's pitch is great. Here are Mark Stein and Peter Reid having a kick about just the other week. Note the perfect uniform smoothness of the pitch.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 23, 2015 17:04:19 GMT
Shay
Phil Wilson Phillip Eric
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Moha Bojan- cameo, Irleland SJW
Joselu
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 17:04:51 GMT
A good old fashioned astro where your knee cap was always at the risk of being exposed to the air with one fall!
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Post by ayem on Aug 23, 2015 17:16:44 GMT
My comment is not aimed at you specifically Bayern It's the arrogance they we shouldn't risk our players atlower league clubs that pisses me off Sound more like Arsenal every day With the injury he had and the way it was done (where a dodgy pitch played its part) then it's a genuine worry if indeed the pitch is a bit shit? It's still early in his recovery. Acl injuries can take over a year to fully heal. Not saying we don't need a strong side, but risking a great player who is still coming back in health isn't a great idea.
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 17:23:40 GMT
Shay Phil Wilson Phillip Eric Steve Charlie Moha Bojan- cameo, Irleland SJW Joselu Moha, like most have said before, wil need a year in the U21s to beef up and get used to things and style and devloping. He wont be on the bench(like some suggesting) in the league or in the cup. Pre season is a different thing when players were injured or not here(in Afellay/Shaq case)
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 23, 2015 17:24:24 GMT
Shay Phil Wilson Phillip Eric Steve Charlie Moha Bojan- cameo, Irleland SJW Joselu Moha, like most have said before, wil need a year in the U21s to beef up and get used to things and style and devloping. He wont be on the bench(like some suggesting) in the league or in the cup. Pre season is a different thing when players were injured or not here(in Afellay/Shaq case) He'd tear them via speed.
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 17:25:35 GMT
Keep it simple, no 4312 or 352 or 532 bollocks/ Haugaard/Given
Bardsley Wollscheid Texiera Wilson
Sidwell Lecygne Shenton
Walters Joselu Afellay That'd be my team, but Hughes will probably chuck in Adam/Ireland for Lecyne/Shenton
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 17:26:06 GMT
Shay Phil Wilson Phillip Eric Steve Charlie Moha Bojan- cameo, Irleland SJW Joselu Moha, like most have said before, wil need a year in the U21s to beef up and get used to things and style and devloping. He wont be on the bench(like some suggesting) in the league or in the cup. Pre season is a different thing when players were injured or not here(in Afellay/Shaq case) He will but fuck it, we've got no one else for the left so I say chuck him in and see if he can cope with being kicked to shit. If his attitude vs Wolves U-21's is anything to go by, I will say he won't. The whingebag!
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 17:27:38 GMT
Moha, like most have said before, wil need a year in the U21s to beef up and get used to things and style and devloping. He wont be on the bench(like some suggesting) in the league or in the cup. Pre season is a different thing when players were injured or not here(in Afellay/Shaq case) He'd tear them via speed. Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench
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Post by huddy on Aug 23, 2015 17:28:25 GMT
Crouch has to start. Or we'll lose him
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 23, 2015 17:29:14 GMT
He'd tear them via speed. Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench Dom Telford already looks class.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 17:29:38 GMT
He'd tear them via speed. Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench I've changed my mind due to lack of options and because I can! Well mainly because I want Ireland starting vs WBA so Afellay will have to play centrally and we have no bugger else for the left really. It's why we need to sign another winger!
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 17:33:51 GMT
Crouch has to start. Or we'll lose him Bizarre statement Does that mean we have to start Walters or Ireland or Adam or Bardsley or Given or we'll lose them? Are you suggesting Crouch isnt a professional and would kick up a fuss? If so we dont need people like him. Either way he should know his role after two strikers in two summer windows for 5m. Decent back up but not got the pace for our system
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 17:36:18 GMT
Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench I've changed my mind due to lack of options and because I can! Well mainly because I want Ireland starting vs WBA so Afellay will have to play centrally and we have no bugger else for the left really. It's why we need to sign another winger! I think we do too but not a Moses or Yarmo. Someone like Gray for Birmingham. A youth to take a chance on and bring on in games to attack a tired efence, a little like Grealish does. I think a first team winger like Yarmo and we'd have ego issues and problems with Arnie Shaqiri and Yarmo all wanting to start. A youth would more likely be happy with a cameo role and if he impresses alot stick him in
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 23, 2015 17:42:39 GMT
He'd tear them via speed. Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench Any thoughts on Moseley, Watkins-Clark, Waddington and N'Goy? I read Peter Coates wants to see 4 Acadamy players in the squad in the near future. It's a great ambition and I should be paying more attention. When judging the window we should be taking into account this simultaneous future proofing too.
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Post by sting on Aug 23, 2015 17:46:33 GMT
I'm amazed only one other person thinks that Shaqiri should start. He had a good debut but it was plain to see he is in need of more game time to get him sharp.
He said post match that it was a while since he had played 90 minutes though he felt strong. I'd like to see him, Ireland, Joselu and Affelay as the front four. I doubt Walters will play. We will not want to cup tie him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 17:47:20 GMT
I've changed my mind due to lack of options and because I can! Well mainly because I want Ireland starting vs WBA so Afellay will have to play centrally and we have no bugger else for the left really. It's why we need to sign another winger! I think we do too but not a Moses or Yarmo. Someone like Gray for Birmingham. A youth to take a chance on and bring on in games to attack a tired efence, a little like Grealish does. I think a first team winger like Yarmo and we'd have ego issues and problems with Arnie Shaqiri and Yarmo all wanting to start. A youth would more likely be happy with a cameo role and if he impresses alot stick him in I'd go for Moses. With his injuries and Arnie's inconsistency there's enough games for both. Yarmo is pie in the sky bullshit. I don't think Moha will start this game mind, Afellay on the left and Ireland through the middle will be how I think MH will go.
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Post by huddy on Aug 23, 2015 17:55:18 GMT
Crouch has to start. Or we'll lose him Bizarre statement Does that mean we have to start Walters or Ireland or Adam or Bardsley or Given or we'll lose them? Are you suggesting Crouch isnt a professional and would kick up a fuss? If so we dont need people like him. Either way he should know his role after two strikers in two summer windows for 5m. Decent back up but not got the pace for our system Crouch will have far better suitors than any of those other players. He won't kick up a fuss-not the type but if he's not playing the offers will come in and the pressure will come on..Oh and 'not the pace for the system' is the biggest cliché ridden shite.How has he managed for us so far?Not bad eh?Pace is actually far easier to defend -you just sit deep.Which is why Joselu will eventually prove to be a better centre forward than Diouf.If you bring people into play and score it's much better than just being fast and scoring.
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 18:03:43 GMT
Bizarre statement Does that mean we have to start Walters or Ireland or Adam or Bardsley or Given or we'll lose them? Are you suggesting Crouch isnt a professional and would kick up a fuss? If so we dont need people like him. Either way he should know his role after two strikers in two summer windows for 5m. Decent back up but not got the pace for our system Crouch will have far better suitors than any of those other players. He won't kick up a fuss-not the type but if he's not playing the offers will come in and the pressure will come on..Oh and 'not the pace for the system' is the biggest cliché ridden shite.How has he managed for us so far?Not bad eh?Pace is actually far easier to defend -you just sit deep.Which is why Joselu will eventually prove to be a better centre forward than Diouf.If you bring people into play and score it's much better than just being fast and scoring. Total horsebollocks. There's no easy thing to defend against, if youre a good striker youre a good striker. Messi Aguero Neymar Robben Reus Aubayang Sturridge Suarez Dybala Ronaldo all have devastating pace Llorente Costa Mndzukic Giroud Falcao Benteke etc all have strength and power to hold it up But anyway, Crouch has done well but since Hughes came in he slowly brought Diouf into his position and now Joselu has replaced him as the main sub to come on so its clear he's not in Hughes plans. Your original point was ludicrous, why should we HAVE to play him or he'll leave? if Hughes doesnt have any concrete plans for him in the first team why would he feel FORCED to play him? Its weird
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 18:05:25 GMT
Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench Any thoughts on Moseley, Watkins-Clark, Waddington and N'Goy? I read Peter Coates wants to see 4 Acadamy players in the squad in the near future. It's a great ambition and I should be paying more attention. When judging the window we should be taking into account this simultaneous future proofing too. None are near the first team or will play vs Luton if thats what you mean? Bayern and Paul are best bets for regular U21 info or just look on Academy thread. The people who keep putting Mosesly in their Luton team are hilarious though, he was only there because Ryan, Pieters were injured and Johnson only just signed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2015 18:11:08 GMT
I have no genuine expectations for any of them. History has told me to be this cynical.
Mosesley's performance vs Porto came totally out of the blue. He had a great U-21 debut but in the games last season I watched since that he wasn't very good and showed why Brum released him. But was good vs Wolves last week so hopefully the Porto and Wolves games are an indication of his true calibre.
Watkins-Clark similarly came out of the blue, he was part of the worst defence in U-21 PL football last season, like Moseley it's hard to look good in that!
Waddington played well vs Wolves, he's a big youth too. But that's the only time I've seen him play.
N'Goy looks the real deal to me but he's got to prove that he's not just beasting players because of his size. That's why his step up in the U-21's has been so encouraging. He's very quick and can finish. Two scary attributes.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 23, 2015 18:18:06 GMT
Any thoughts on Moseley, Watkins-Clark, Waddington and N'Goy? I read Peter Coates wants to see 4 Acadamy players in the squad in the near future. It's a great ambition and I should be paying more attention. When judging the window we should be taking into account this simultaneous future proofing too. None are near the first team or will play vs Luton if thats what you mean? Bayern and Paul are best bets for regular U21 info or just look on Academy thread. The people who keep putting Mosesly in their Luton team are hilarious though, he was only there because Ryan, Pieters were injured and Johnson only just signed I wasn't specifically refering to the Luton game, it was a general question about the progression of some of the U21 names I'd heard about/seen in friendlies etc. I keep me eye on the Development thread. I intend to go to couple of U21's especially with players like Wilson and Bojan playing. Got the 'reserves' feel about it. Must be good for the development of the youth too.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 23, 2015 18:18:52 GMT
I've never felt more like singing the blues, City win, vale lose oh city, you've got me singing the blues
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 23, 2015 18:19:47 GMT
Yeah, then run it out for a goalkick or cross when theres noone in the box. Or that fat twat McNulty would just wipe him out after 5minutes and he'd be out of the game for scardiness/nerves. He has a lot of raw talent speed dribbling but like Bayern and a few others have said(after watching U21s), he needa year or two nowhere near the first team, just bulking up and getting his footy brain in gear. Lecygne and Shenton on the other hand, with maybe Telford, have a decent crack at making bench Any thoughts on Moseley, Watkins-Clark, Waddington and N'Goy? I read Peter Coates wants to see 4 Acadamy players in the squad in the near future. It's a great ambition and I should be paying more attention. When judging the window we should be taking into account this simultaneous future proofing too. Mike Pejic in his Sentinel column suggests that every Premier League club should have to name two Academy players on the bench every game. A good idea I think.
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Post by stokeyouth on Aug 23, 2015 18:35:19 GMT
Any thoughts on Moseley, Watkins-Clark, Waddington and N'Goy? I read Peter Coates wants to see 4 Acadamy players in the squad in the near future. It's a great ambition and I should be paying more attention. When judging the window we should be taking into account this simultaneous future proofing too. Mike Pejic in his Sentinel column suggests that every Premier League club should have to name two Academy players on the bench every game. A good idea I think. Even if theyre not good enough? Be pointless unless you're going to use them. Imagine a 17year old defender from the academy coming on for Muniesa after an injury, and he gets battered by a Benteke who scores a hattrick, to the Brit booing off the young kiddie.
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Post by sting on Aug 23, 2015 18:36:02 GMT
Given
Cameron Wolly Muni (c) Wilson
MVG Adam
Shaqiri Ireland Affelay
Joselu
Bench
Johnson Shenton Crouch Diouf Bojan Tex Haugaard
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 23, 2015 18:52:42 GMT
Mike Pejic in his Sentinel column suggests that every Premier League club should have to name two Academy players on the bench every game. A good idea I think. Even if theyre not good enough? Be pointless unless you're going to use them. Imagine a 17year old defender from the academy coming on for Muniesa after an injury, and he gets battered by a Benteke who scores a hattrick, to the Brit booing off the young kiddie. You have a further 3 subs though so it's unlikely a young kiddie will be thrown into the fray in those circumstances. It gives the academy players the experience of being in the squad and in certain circumstances experiencing 10 minutes first team action.
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