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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 21:50:02 GMT
Did well today...... but there were a few times when he didnt come out get the ball and left stoke players double minded
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 9, 2015 21:51:12 GMT
Did ok - no concerns here.......he will flourish....
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 9, 2015 21:53:06 GMT
His distribution is definitely better than begovic,s
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2015 21:53:15 GMT
He had naff all to do bar pick the ball out of his net.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 9, 2015 23:43:48 GMT
His distribution is definitely better than begovic,s The thing is Harry, goalkeepers are actually about saving shots and commanding their area. With a pen name like yours, you saw the world's greatest goalie and half the time he couldn't reach the half way line with a kick - I don't suppose we would have swapped him though would we. At this moment in time, Jack will probably save a similar percentage of shots to Bego, but he does not have the command of his box or authority that Bego had. That will come with experience, but straight away the Stoke faithful are on his back for failing to stop a goal which if we had scored, we'd be saying it was a goal of the season contender.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 9, 2015 23:50:10 GMT
He had naff all to do bar pick the ball out of his net. Now you are taking the piss, old fruit. Even for you this is over the top.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2015 23:58:10 GMT
He had naff all to do bar pick the ball out of his net. Now you are taking the piss, old fruit. Even for you this is over the top. What did he do? He caught one whilst pulling a face for the cameras as he dived across the goal to get it. Kicked the ball well. And did sod all else. Not a slight on him but he just wasn't tested, Liverpool were awful.
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Post by discokaraoke on Aug 9, 2015 23:58:50 GMT
His distribution is definitely better than begovic,s The thing is Harry, goalkeepers are actually about saving shots and commanding their area. With a pen name like yours, you saw the world's greatest goalie and half the time he couldn't reach the half way line with a kick - I don't suppose we would have swapped him though would we. At this moment in time, Jack will probably save a similar percentage of shots to Bego, but he does not have the command of his box or authority that Bego had. That will come with experience, but straight away the Stoke faithful are on his back for failing to stop a goal which if we had scored, we'd be saying it was a goal of the season contender. And that's why he is captain of our England under 21 team, as they have the same opinion as you.
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Post by Gods on Aug 9, 2015 23:58:43 GMT
'double minded' is that what they used to call 'in two minds'
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 10, 2015 0:26:45 GMT
Now you are taking the piss, old fruit. Even for you this is over the top. What did he do? He caught one whilst pulling a face for the cameras as he dived across the goal to get it. Kicked the ball well. And did sod all else. Not a slight on him but he just wasn't tested, Liverpool were awful. His distribution and anticipation were excellent!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2015 0:34:32 GMT
What did he do? He caught one whilst pulling a face for the cameras as he dived across the goal to get it. Kicked the ball well. And did sod all else. Not a slight on him but he just wasn't tested, Liverpool were awful. His distribution and anticipation were excellent! His distribution was really good. Think he misjudged a few he should have got though, there was one where I think Johnson just had to put it out for a corner in the first half that he came for, stopped and went back that was his all day long. But that's being overly picky and I couldn't be arsed with it but now you've started!
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 10, 2015 0:50:32 GMT
His distribution and anticipation were excellent! His distribution was really good. Think he misjudged a few he should have got though, there was one where I think Johnson just had to put it out for a corner in the first half that he came for, stopped and went back that was his all day long. But that's being overly picky and I couldn't be arsed with it but now you've started! How dare a yank question the omniscient Bayern's exalted wisdom. You are so 1860 mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2015 0:53:34 GMT
His distribution was really good. Think he misjudged a few he should have got though, there was one where I think Johnson just had to put it out for a corner in the first half that he came for, stopped and went back that was his all day long. But that's being overly picky and I couldn't be arsed with it but now you've started! How dare a yank question the omniscient Bayern's exalted wisdom. You are so 1860 mate. There's quite a few saying he should save the goal.... I thought he had saved it at the time (I had an obstructed view due to the cunts that leave early) but there's more than one or two saying it.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 10, 2015 0:54:55 GMT
How dare a yank question the omniscient Bayern's exalted wisdom. You are so 1860 mate. There's quite a few saying he should save the goal.... I thought he had saved it at the time (I had an obstructed view due to the cunts that leave early) but there's more than one or two saying it. Is it Benjamin Biscuit, Chugga, Joe in Oz, and Waggy?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 0:55:57 GMT
I think some of it is about the defence trusting him as well, there was at least one instance where it seemed they were trying to over protect him.
Anyway we all know we have been spoiled with Beggo and it's not fair to draw any comparisons at this early stage. One thing's for sure keepers age like good wine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2015 0:56:30 GMT
There's quite a few saying he should save the goal.... I thought he had saved it at the time (I had an obstructed view due to the cunts that leave early) but there's more than one or two saying it. Is it Benjamin Biscuit, Chugga, Joe in Oz, and Waggy? If it is I don't think I've seen them! I haven't seen it back yet so can't comment but felt at the time even with looking through people he should have saved it, like I said I thought he did at first, the net seemed to take ages to bulge.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 10, 2015 1:10:15 GMT
Is it Benjamin Biscuit, Chugga, Joe in Oz, and Waggy? If it is I don't think I've seen them! I haven't seen it back yet so can't comment but felt at the time even with looking through people he should have saved it, like I said I thought he did at first, the net seemed to take ages to bulge. He got a hand to it.
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Post by discokaraoke on Aug 10, 2015 1:21:21 GMT
If it is I don't think I've seen them! I haven't seen it back yet so can't comment but felt at the time even with looking through people he should have saved it, like I said I thought he did at first, the net seemed to take ages to bulge. He got a hand to it. Fingertips to it! If he had a hand to it, it would have been saved. It was a great strike with ball movement.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 10, 2015 2:18:09 GMT
Fingertips to it! If he had a hand to it, it would have been saved. It was a great strike with ball movement. At full stretch, he just got his fingertips to it. It was a cracking goal. Hit with power, dippng and serving all over the place. No way was Butland at fault. Regarding the general topic of this thread, I don't see how anyone can assess his potential on the basis of one game in which his main contribution was to pick the ball out the net.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 10, 2015 2:29:38 GMT
Who is judging just on one game? He is a superb young prospect I have seen playing for Birmingham, Derby, and England squads. Write him off at your own peril. One of the best bits of business we have ever done.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 10, 2015 4:24:34 GMT
His distribution is definitely better than begovic,s The thing is Harry, goalkeepers are actually about saving shots and commanding their area. With a pen name like yours, you saw the world's greatest goalie and half the time he couldn't reach the half way line with a kick - I don't suppose we would have swapped him though would we. At this moment in time, Jack will probably save a similar percentage of shots to Bego, but he does not have the command of his box or authority that Bego had. That will come with experience, but straight away the Stoke faithful are on his back for failing to stop a goal which if we had scored, we'd be saying it was a goal of the season contender. Wasn't suggesting he was at fault for the goal , in fact I feel confident that he will prove a very capable replacement for begovic
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Post by stokiejoe90 on Aug 11, 2015 14:09:46 GMT
I took quite a few positives from Sunday's game but I must admit I felt so much more at ease with butlands presence in goal. I thought he was sharp, confident and his distribution is way better than bego's (not intendetdd to be a dig) can't fault him for the goal cus no ones saving that.. Aside from that his positioning and angles were spot on IMHO. I firmly believe this lad will be future England number 1 one day. Thoughts? Shit bin if posted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 14:15:09 GMT
He looked confident and assured I thought.
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Post by Gods on Aug 11, 2015 14:16:10 GMT
I thought he looked excellent.
JJ on MOTD2 said he could have thrown his cap on Coutinho's shot for their agonsing winner in a game which was drifting aimlessly to a draw but I'm not really buying that. Sure he got a thumb end to it but it and the ball didn't finish right in the stanchion but it would have been one of the saves of the season had he carried it off.
Overall I was impressed with him.
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Post by stokiejoe90 on Aug 11, 2015 14:20:11 GMT
I'm not gonna let that wonder strike put a blotch on his debut as Stoke no 1. He did his best under the circumstances.. Dived the right way and nearly grasped it but wait till the season ends and we'll see just how many worldies he pulls off come next years season review DVDs
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Post by crowey on Aug 11, 2015 14:27:43 GMT
Excellent. No way anyone would have kept out Coutinho's shot. Generally very good all round & FAR better distribution than Bego. We have no worries in this position for the forseeable future
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2015 14:32:20 GMT
He was no way at fault for the goal but a couple of years experience would have had him a foot Further across saving that
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Post by stokiejoe90 on Aug 11, 2015 14:33:43 GMT
Let's hope given and haugard are breathing down his neck in training too just to keep him sharp. I would love to see given get a handful of league games this season cus I think he's been a fantastic pro to the sport but also for Butland to realise that the no 1 jersey is not something you keep through complacency. It would be great tactics to keep him on is toes like that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 14:37:49 GMT
he's got a great kick out players
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Post by zelem on Aug 11, 2015 15:18:08 GMT
What people have got to realise is that Butland is still a young lad, what worries me seeing some of the retards comments on here is that any slight mistake people will get on his back, give the guy grief and ruin him!! (bit like them/or their parents did with John Farmer Years ago)!!
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