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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 9, 2015 18:50:05 GMT
Adam's cameo in the home game against Arsenal last season was worse in my opinion although not by much. Sadly I think his time as a top flight player is over and we need to move on from him.
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Post by badger on Aug 9, 2015 18:54:01 GMT
Going in like he did you have to take any of the below...
1- the ball 2 - the man 3 - a yellow card
he didn't do any, and once Coutinho got into the vacated space he's capable of producing what he did.
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Sidwell
Aug 9, 2015 19:00:06 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Aug 9, 2015 19:00:06 GMT
Great retort. It's a team game, so why don't you try laying the blame at the teams feet for doing nowhere near enough in 90 plus minutes to win the game? The game was won by the one piece of individual brilliance in the game,not because Sidwell cost us the game. football often comes down to mistakes. He made one.
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2015 19:05:30 GMT
Ireland was the better option in my opinion. We could have gone for the win instead of trying to hang on. I'd have had him on for Adam 10 minutes earlier. Apart from his free kick delivery Adam was mainly quiet. I agree, it seemed the obvious substitution, Sidwell diving in and letting coutinho go free cost us the game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 19:13:24 GMT
Let us face it. He is not good enough anymore. If I was Hughes I'd tell him that he is not going to play 1st team football for us ever again!
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Aug 9, 2015 19:13:30 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 9, 2015 19:13:30 GMT
As soon as he came on I said to my mate we've lost this.
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Post by robstokie on Aug 9, 2015 19:18:28 GMT
Sidwell is a liability, particularly if we are looking to see out a game. We should have moved Van Ginkel back and bought Ireland on for Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 19:33:17 GMT
Like I've said all summer, not replacing nzonzi is the biggest fuck up we have made. Occasions last season sudwell didn't even make the bench yet some thought he was an ideal nzonzi replacement. I'm just glad I haven't lost my marbles and am actually right. A centre mid is an absolute must.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2015 19:35:20 GMT
Going in like he did you have to take any of the below... 1- the ball 2 - the man 3 - a yellow card he didn't do any, and once Coutinho got into the vacated space he's capable of producing what he did. Johnson did exactly the same a couple of times yet had a great game. Cameron did it once yet had a great game. Muniesa did it twice yet had a great game. How come those 3 lads aren't getting the same pelters that Sidwell is getting? All of the Stoke players did well today with the exception of Charlie Adam who was absolutely toss, yet I see one of the usual suspects is being slammed as usual.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2015 19:38:55 GMT
Like I've said all summer, not replacing nzonzi is the biggest fuck up we have made. Occasions last season sudwell didn't even make the bench yet some thought he was an ideal nzonzi replacement. I'm just glad I haven't lost my marbles and am actually right. A centre mid is an absolute must. N'zonzi is undoubtedly a superb player and a loss. How much of a loss remains to be seen but I was genuinely encouraged by what I saw today. Affellay is much bigger and stronger than I expected and is definitely more of a central player than a winger. He can offer us what N'zonzi did in terms of keeping the ball. He might well offers us a bit more besides because until he tired, defensively he was excellent spotting danger well before it happened. MVG was excellent until he got a big "leggy" and I was very impressed with him. Whelan was quite superb, upping his game again with the arrival of even better players. I love that fella and his attitude. We aren't looking for a central midfielder. Get used to that idea. Hughes wants 2 wingers at least. If he can get 3, someone will be leaving before the window shuts. We've got a good squad full of good players. We will have a very good season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 19:49:04 GMT
Like I've said all summer, not replacing nzonzi is the biggest fuck up we have made. Occasions last season sudwell didn't even make the bench yet some thought he was an ideal nzonzi replacement. I'm just glad I haven't lost my marbles and am actually right. A centre mid is an absolute must. N'zonzi is undoubtedly a superb player and a loss. How much of a loss remains to be seen but I was genuinely encouraged by what I saw today. Affellay is much bigger and stronger than I expected and is definitely more of a central player than a winger. He can offer us what N'zonzi did in terms of keeping the ball. He might well offers us a bit more besides because until he tired, defensively he was excellent spotting danger well before it happened. MVG was excellent until he got a big "leggy" and I was very impressed with him. Whelan was quite superb, upping his game again with the arrival of even better players. I love that fella and his attitude. We aren't looking for a central midfielder. Get used to that idea. Hughes wants 2 wingers at least. If he can get 3, someone will be leaving before the window shuts. We've got a good squad full of good players. We will have a very good season. Whelan was my motm today. He was outstanding. MVG was ok. He will get better though. However Adam looked nothing like the player that ended last season. I actually don't think we need 2 wingers. 1 winger and a quality cm and we will have a bloody good season. Not replacing nzonzi could and I fear will bite us on the arse massively
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Sidwell
Aug 9, 2015 19:49:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 19:49:23 GMT
Great retort. It's a team game, so why don't you try laying the blame at the teams feet for doing nowhere near enough in 90 plus minutes to win the game? The game was won by the one piece of individual brilliance in the game,not because Sidwell cost us the game. football often comes down to mistakes. He made one. Yes I suppose he did. Yet plenty of other players made mistakes during today's game and do on other games,I haven't got a problem with that,it's football and it happens. What I have got a problem with is this continual haranguing of players when they make a slight mistake that might cost us a goal(which I don't think Sidwell did today),when in truth we lost to a brilliant strike and did fuck all for the rest of the game to make it meaningless. Edit: I didn't mean to like your post,I'm on holiday,I've had a few beers and my sausage fingers have taken over
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2015 19:51:57 GMT
N'zonzi is undoubtedly a superb player and a loss. How much of a loss remains to be seen but I was genuinely encouraged by what I saw today. Affellay is much bigger and stronger than I expected and is definitely more of a central player than a winger. He can offer us what N'zonzi did in terms of keeping the ball. He might well offers us a bit more besides because until he tired, defensively he was excellent spotting danger well before it happened. MVG was excellent until he got a big "leggy" and I was very impressed with him. Whelan was quite superb, upping his game again with the arrival of even better players. I love that fella and his attitude. We aren't looking for a central midfielder. Get used to that idea. Hughes wants 2 wingers at least. If he can get 3, someone will be leaving before the window shuts. We've got a good squad full of good players. We will have a very good season. Whelan was my motm today. He was outstanding. MVG was ok. He will get better though. However Adam looked nothing like the player that ended last season. I actually don't think we need 2 wingers. 1 winger and a quality cm and we will have a bloody good season. Not replacing nzonzi could and I fear will bite us on the arse massively Given the way we clearly want to play, we need 3 wingers at the club, 2 to start and one to come of the bench or play when one of the others is injured/out of form. Wide players with pace are key to the way we want to play. When we don't have them, we aren't half as effective as we can be. See today. We played well but because of a severe lack of pace in wide positions, we simply couldn't stretch them enough to pull their centre halves into areas that they didn't want to be in.
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Sidwell
Aug 9, 2015 19:58:53 GMT
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Post by fisty lizard on Aug 9, 2015 19:58:53 GMT
Was today his 'Pennant' moment - costing us a result and never to be seen again??
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 9, 2015 20:12:18 GMT
Going in like he did you have to take any of the below... 1- the ball 2 - the man 3 - a yellow card he didn't do any, and once Coutinho got into the vacated space he's capable of producing what he did. Johnson did exactly the same a couple of times yet had a great game. Cameron did it once yet had a great game. Muniesa did it twice yet had a great game. How come those 3 lads aren't getting the same pelters that Sidwell is getting? All of the Stoke players did well today with the exception of Charlie Adam who was absolutely toss, yet I see one of the usual suspects is being slammed as usual. Because Johnson, Cameron, and Muniesa had a very good game today and the positives far outweigh the negatives. Whereas Sidwell slipped, lost possession, and inevitably screwed up his challenge to allow Coutinho to go on to score, without contributing anything positive to the game.
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Post by badger on Aug 9, 2015 20:14:23 GMT
Going in like he did you have to take any of the below... 1- the ball 2 - the man 3 - a yellow card he didn't do any, and once Coutinho got into the vacated space he's capable of producing what he did. Johnson did exactly the same a couple of times yet had a great game. Cameron did it once yet had a great game. Muniesa did it twice yet had a great game. How come those 3 lads aren't getting the same pelters that Sidwell is getting? All of the Stoke players did well today with the exception of Charlie Adam who was absolutely toss, yet I see one of the usual suspects is being slammed as usual. Because Sidwell's was a direct contributing factor towards the goal, when the others did it it led to bugger all.
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Aug 9, 2015 20:18:06 GMT
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Post by jarhead on Aug 9, 2015 20:18:06 GMT
Someone as experienced as him to come on dive in and sell himself is crazy and he keeps doing it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2015 20:31:40 GMT
Johnson did exactly the same a couple of times yet had a great game. Cameron did it once yet had a great game. Muniesa did it twice yet had a great game. How come those 3 lads aren't getting the same pelters that Sidwell is getting? All of the Stoke players did well today with the exception of Charlie Adam who was absolutely toss, yet I see one of the usual suspects is being slammed as usual. Because Johnson, Cameron, and Muniesa had a very good game today and the positives far outweigh the negatives. Whereas Sidwell slipped, lost possession, and inevitably screwed up his challenge to allow Coutinho to go on to score, without contributing anything positive to the game. He didn't have possession of the ball. He simply lost the challenge for the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:32:56 GMT
You have to ask the question, when has Sidwell ever improved the team when he's come on? Never IMHO. It is not a witch hunt, he is rubbish! We had kept Coutinho away from any chance of scoring, till Sidwell came on!
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Post by alexscfc17 on Aug 9, 2015 20:36:18 GMT
I see he does very stupid mistakes I think it is more lack of confidence and games than quality
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Aug 9, 2015 20:37:53 GMT
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Post by that's our Ric on Aug 9, 2015 20:37:53 GMT
I just hope that the manager's analysis of his performance will tell him that Sidwell is not a substitution to be made late in the game, and so why is he on the bench at all!! As has been said, he's dived in recklessly before (remember the game at QPR that led to a goal) and its not good enough for our club anymore. Though we lost today there's real sign of quality there and promise for the future
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 9, 2015 20:42:33 GMT
I don't hate Sidwell. When we signed him I thought he would be an asset to the squad, however I cannot remember him making any positive contributions to a performance.
Today was not the first time he has made a mistake that has led to a late goal.
When Bojan, Wilson and Ryan are fit I can't see him anywhere near the team or even the bench. I would be happy to see him go. If Leeds are interested then let him go.
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Aug 9, 2015 23:33:12 GMT
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 9, 2015 23:33:12 GMT
Fucking shite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 7:51:02 GMT
For a team on the up.....not good enough
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Aug 10, 2015 8:12:26 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 10, 2015 8:12:26 GMT
QPR away last season said enough.
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Post by andylgr on Aug 10, 2015 8:17:06 GMT
He isn't good enough. It may be harsh to criticise but he got too tight to Coutinho and he turned him easily, although to be fair Coutinho was doing that often second half.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 10, 2015 8:18:29 GMT
I thought Adam was very poor yesterday and MVG did not know whether to sit or go. Very wasteful on the ball and very sloppy
Sidwell - the issue I have is he appears not to learned from last season and is very rash in the challenge. His first tackle yesterday was a two footed one. It was crying out for Ireland with Whelan and MVG sitting
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2015 8:22:31 GMT
Sidwell is what my Grandma likes to call a fucking pussy.
Please never in a Stoke shirt again. He's absolutely fucking toss.
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 10, 2015 8:27:47 GMT
I feel sorry for Sidwell reading all this shit where people are laying all their frustration and disappointment into one moment and blaming Sidwell. Personally I think that Sidwell has been a hardworking professional football who works box to box but I also believe that he will be moved on to somewhere at a lower level where he can play more regularly. In this situation though no one is giving Coutinho the credit he deserves. It was a great piece of individual skill with a terrific shot at the end of it that he has performed six or seven times last season. It was a sickener for all of us after such a competitive and great game. Such moments win games!
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