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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2015 11:51:42 GMT
I think that's probably true Dave and may well work out. I just worry that Nzonzi has been so important to how we play under Hughes that we might really miss someone with that same drive in the middle of the park. Sidwell is probably the closest we've got to that (and is a decent player to be fair). It might be fine but if we had a late splurge on, say, Dembele I'd be breathing a lot easier. What about the defence Rob? There was a spell in the 2nd half in the Brentford game where they launched a few corners in quick succession in to our box and we looked 'powder-puff' to me in dealing with them, or not dealing with them I should say, one of them led directly to the 2nd Brentford goal. Yeah, I feel pretty much the same about the defence Gods. Every chance we could be fine but I'd feel a lot better with an experienced, organising centre half brought in. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2015 11:58:01 GMT
Suppose the 4 theoretical signings we could make are
Traore
Yarmo
Shawcross replacement
A more conventional N'Zonzi type to add to the midfield options.
Interesting to see how we spread the kitty and squad places amongst those 4 potentials in the next 3 weeks.
Hard to know what Hughes is really thinking about the last of those 2, but I'd rest easier with them in
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 12:10:24 GMT
Why do we need an exact replacement? Maybe the blend of the new combination means we wanted a player who offers us something a bit different. Yeah could be. I'm predicting our possession stats will suffer without N'Zonzi though and a weakened defence will be asked more searching questions more often. totally agree and whislt I believe MVG might turn out to be a good addition he is untested in Premiership football aswell. A strong DM player comfortable in possession is another must for me before the window shuts |
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 12:18:23 GMT
Suppose the 4 theoretical signings we could make are Traore Yarmo Shawcross replacement A more conventional N'Zonzi type to add to the midfield options. Interesting to see how we spread the kitty and squad places amongst those 4 potentials in the next 3 weeks. Hard to know what Hughes is really thinking about the last of those 2, but I'd rest easier with them in Hopefully a couple of outgoings either perm or loan will leave us room to manouvre. Agree that a DM like NZonzi, Centre Half & Traore would leave us in good standing. If we can do all three I'm all up for a good season |
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Post by Gods on Aug 7, 2015 13:04:22 GMT
What about the defence Rob? There was a spell in the 2nd half in the Brentford game where they launched a few corners in quick succession in to our box and we looked 'powder-puff' to me in dealing with them, or not dealing with them I should say, one of them led directly to the 2nd Brentford goal. Yeah, I feel pretty much the same about the defence Gods. Every chance we could be fine but I'd feel a lot better with an experienced, organising centre half brought in. A John Terry needed you might say   |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 7, 2015 17:56:33 GMT
Butland Wooly MVG I'm worried. Think Hughes will be after Samba next week. Think Benteke will tear us apart  |
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 18:14:30 GMT
Butland Wooly MVG I'm worried. Think Hughes will be after Samba next week. Think Benteke will tear us apart benteke to score anytime is well and truly taking some of my betting stake this weekend |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 18:27:56 GMT
About an hour ago on talk sport they were raving about mvg. I'm yet to hear a bad word about him yet reading this forum you'd think we've replaced n'zonzi with a real duffer. I've got no problems with his ability, you don't play where he has and for that national side at his age without supreme talent. Is he the N'Zonzi replacement though. I've yet to hear a convincing argument he is and he didn't look like it in pre season. I would get really wound up by some of the stuff you come out with on this board but then I'm too busy laughing. Got to be one of the most miserable, negative people going. Let's face it, you know nothing about Van Ginkel and you've contradicted yourself massively in what you did say about him. He is so highly rated in Holland - much like N'zonzi is in France? There's absolutely no reason why he can't replace N'zonzi and you certainly can't make those conclusions now. Your reference of pre seasons games, well I won't even bother with that one. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2015 18:35:16 GMT
I've got no problems with his ability, you don't play where he has and for that national side at his age without supreme talent. Is he the N'Zonzi replacement though. I've yet to hear a convincing argument he is and he didn't look like it in pre season. I would get really wound up by some of the stuff you come out with on this board but then I'm too busy laughing. Got to be one of the most miserable, negative people going. Let's face it, you know nothing about Van Ginkel and you've contradicted yourself massively in what you did say about him. He is so highly rated in Holland - much like N'zonzi is in France? There's absolutely no reason why he can't replace N'zonzi and you certainly can't make those conclusions now. Your reference of pre seasons games, well I won't even bother with that one. I think the point Sheiky was making was not that MVG is a poor player (he clearly isn't) but that he isn't the same kind of player as Nzonzi, and that could turn out to be a pretty seismic change given how central Nzonzi was to how we've played under Hughes so far. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2015 18:54:55 GMT
I've got no problems with his ability, you don't play where he has and for that national side at his age without supreme talent. Is he the N'Zonzi replacement though. I've yet to hear a convincing argument he is and he didn't look like it in pre season. I would get really wound up by some of the stuff you come out with on this board but then I'm too busy laughing. Got to be one of the most miserable, negative people going. Let's face it, you know nothing about Van Ginkel and you've contradicted yourself massively in what you did say about him. He is so highly rated in Holland - much like N'zonzi is in France? There's absolutely no reason why he can't replace N'zonzi and you certainly can't make those conclusions now. Your reference of pre seasons games, well I won't even bother with that one. Ayup relishdick. I was simply talking about the position he plays you humungous anus but please carry on. Obviously describing him as a 'supreme talent' means something else in your world? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 19:20:52 GMT
I would get really wound up by some of the stuff you come out with on this board but then I'm too busy laughing. Got to be one of the most miserable, negative people going. Let's face it, you know nothing about Van Ginkel and you've contradicted yourself massively in what you did say about him. He is so highly rated in Holland - much like N'zonzi is in France? There's absolutely no reason why he can't replace N'zonzi and you certainly can't make those conclusions now. Your reference of pre seasons games, well I won't even bother with that one. Ayup relishdick. I was simply talking about the position he plays you humungous anus but please carry on. Obviously describing him as a 'supreme talent' means something else in your world? He's a box to box midfielder. That is known from computer games to every person Dutch bloke I spoke about football to last weekend in Holland. Why would he be anything else? He wouldn't have been signed as a 10 and he wouldn't have been signed as a DM, despite being able to do a job in those roles. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2015 19:33:58 GMT
Ayup relishdick. I was simply talking about the position he plays you humungous anus but please carry on. Obviously describing him as a 'supreme talent' means something else in your world? He's a box to box midfielder. That is known from computer games to every person Dutch bloke I spoke about football to last weekend in Holland. Why would he be anything else? He wouldn't have been signed as a 10 and he wouldn't have been signed as a DM, despite being able to do a job in those roles. Well if he's a replacement on the Spectrum 48 or Commodore 64, I'm in. |
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Post by scubastevetokie on Aug 7, 2015 20:20:03 GMT
Contemptible commercial management to consciously put rhe future at such risk . We need a CEO who sees his role as to support the manager not check and balance with the bank . Hughes has been dreadfully exposed this summer and that superb analysis is the fact which illustrates it most Honestly u are such a wining prick f£&k off back down the fail |
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Post by lancer on Aug 7, 2015 21:03:56 GMT
Contemptible commercial management to consciously put rhe future at such risk . We need a CEO who sees his role as to support the manager not check and balance with the bank . Hughes has been dreadfully exposed this summer and that superb analysis is the fact which illustrates it most The 'contemptuous commercial management' were't hawking Bego os N'Zonzi around looking for the highest bidder, they knew what had become patently clear to most of us, that they both wanted out. We sold them, and looked to replace them. In the case of Bego, I am confident that in Butland, England's young team goalie, we have an adequate replacement, with Given, another quality player with years of experience as back up. N'Zonzi may be harder, but not impossible to replace. He wanted to go, and has done for some time now. He was becoming a malign influence in the dressing room, as well as presenting management with an annual problem. The lad from Chelsea looks like he may be the one we need in place on N'Zonzi, time will tell. The biggest miss is going to be Shawcross,who is the closest we have to being irreplaceable, and it's to be hoped that we can brick in a replacement to fill the huge gap left by Ryans absence. |
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Post by stokebloke on Aug 8, 2015 0:37:02 GMT
Contemptible commercial management to consciously put rhe future at such risk . We need a CEO who sees his role as to support the manager not check and balance with the bank . Hughes has been dreadfully exposed this summer and that superb analysis is the fact which illustrates it most Honestly u are such a wining prick f£&k off back down the fail Put a sock in it biscuit you miserable, moaning, whining prick...don't you ever get board of the same old shite. |
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Post by ayem on Aug 8, 2015 1:26:33 GMT
With Muniesa signing again and the amount of foreign players coming in, I feel he is a great leader in the making. Good play, good mind, and absolutely friendly. Not to say make him captain yet, just that I disagree that he can't rally the back line. Has good rapport with Pieters and Cameron. Speaking of Pieters: what a player. This summer there has been little talk of the LB position, and on this board that means something. Every other position has been weighed on, good for the man that loves Stoke. Clap on.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2015 5:29:17 GMT
I'm not worried about the midfield options as Sidwell and Van Ginkel will be good enough to replace Nzonzi but I'm really worried about the centre half situation. Having no Shawcross and Huth is giving me sleepless nights.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 8, 2015 5:54:46 GMT
I'm not worried about the midfield options as Sidwell and Van Ginkel will be good enough to replace Nzonzi but I'm really worried about the centre half situation. Having no Shawcross and Huth is giving me sleepless nights. even the staff are sleeping with the floodlights on |
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 8, 2015 6:08:29 GMT
Contemptible commercial management to consciously put rhe future at such risk . We need a CEO who sees his role as to support the manager not check and balance with the bank . Hughes has been dreadfully exposed this summer and that superb analysis is the fact which illustrates it most Has anyone ever seen benji and momo in the same room? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:52:32 GMT
Can we not just trust the manager to bring in the right players to do the job he wants?
Does it matter if he's a direct Nzonzi clone or a different style of player?
Why are people assuming we'll be a worse team for his inclusion? We might turn out to be a better side.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 8, 2015 6:58:16 GMT
Can we not just trust the manager to bring in the right players to do the job he wants? Does it matter if he's a direct Nzonzi clone or a different style of player? Why are people assuming we'll be a worse team for his inclusion? We might turn out to be a better side. Exactly , nzonzi was a good player , that's all despite some Stella moments . if Barton wasn't such a cock he would easily fit the bill |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 7:02:17 GMT
I can't believe how many people underrate Nzonzi. He is the best central midfielder to play for the club for at least 20 years if not more and was absolutely central to Hughes' counter-attacking 4-2-3-1.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2015 7:06:03 GMT
I can't believe how many people underrate Nzonzi. He is the best central midfielder to play for the club for at least 20 years if not more and was absolutely central to Hughes' counter-attacking 4-2-3-1. I agree,however it seems that Van Ginkel and Afellay are underrated. too. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 8, 2015 7:08:04 GMT
I can't believe how many people underrate Nzonzi. He is the best central midfielder to play for the club for at least 20 years if not more and was absolutely central to Hughes' counter-attacking 4-2-3-1. It's been like this the whole summer chief. You did well to take a break. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 7:08:25 GMT
I can't believe how many people underrate Nzonzi. He is the best central midfielder to play for the club for at least 20 years if not more and was absolutely central to Hughes' counter-attacking 4-2-3-1. I agree,however it seems that Van Ginkel and Afellay are underrated. too. I agree. MVG will prove an excellent signing IMO. Afellay - depends on fitness. Failing to tear up the Greek league possibly a concern but clearly got the touch and pedigree. Would still feel happier if we chucked some money at Spurs for Dembele this week. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 7:09:06 GMT
I can't believe how many people underrate Nzonzi. He is the best central midfielder to play for the club for at least 20 years if not more and was absolutely central to Hughes' counter-attacking 4-2-3-1. It's been like this the whole summer chief. You did well to take a break. More than anything the Nzonzi stuff is what's left me scratching my head. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 8, 2015 7:25:25 GMT
The best football punting writer and tipster in the country described Seville as the 'best recruiters' in the game and N'Zonzi as their best purchase.
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Post by steve66 on Aug 8, 2015 7:41:35 GMT
Contemptible commercial management to consciously put rhe future at such risk . We need a CEO who sees his role as to support the manager not check and balance with the bank . Hughes has been dreadfully exposed this summer and that superb analysis is the fact which illustrates it most One word.... COCK!!! Or three, load of bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 7:44:28 GMT
N'zonzi has gone. He wanted to go. Next please. It's getting worse on here than it was when Tony Pulis went. My main concern is the defence now, especially now Ryan is out for a while. Patience boys!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 8, 2015 7:49:40 GMT
N'zonzi has gone. He wanted to go. Next please. It's getting worse on here than it was when Tony Pulis went. My main concern is the defence now, especially now Ryan is out for a while. Patience boys! The issue though is replacing them, not them going. We successfully upgraded on Pulis. It remains to be seen whether we'll do as well with Nzonzi. Huge boots to fill. |
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