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Post by jssandbach on Aug 6, 2015 7:09:39 GMT
The question often arises "what makes a big club"? Criteria have included, History, recent history, Success, attendances, infrastructure, current position.
I don't think that we value our own stake for a place amongst the big'uns. For me our long history as an original member of the football league, the second oldest team in the league, and the oldest in the Prem is important. Also we can boast the first global superstar, in Sir Stan and the fact that the only English goalkeeper to win the World Cup has played for and is associated with us. Villa can argue on other bases I do not recall them having such 'greats' in their past. (they may have, I just can't remember). (In the 1960s and 70s Chelsea and Man City were good, but not superteams )
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Post by lancer on Aug 6, 2015 7:22:45 GMT
What makes 'big' clubs is having a TV company situated just down the road from your ground, same with a newspaper publisher, add the saturation coverage and money those things bring, and voila, there you have it, you're big.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 6, 2015 7:25:04 GMT
The club is recognised all around the world.
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Post by Bick on Aug 6, 2015 7:36:26 GMT
Jeycov is right, it's about acknowledgement and awareness.
If we take the Traore situation - in terms of traditional club size, they are of course larger on almost all counts, and for an outsider looking in, our recent success will bare little difference to their position with both clubs considered as 'mid table'.
Ultimately, Traore will have grown up and was probably aware of Aston Villa, it is unlikely that he would have known Stoke as a young lad.
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Post by njkk on Aug 6, 2015 7:47:33 GMT
Until we become Premier League champions, win a couple of FA cups, do well in European
competitions we will not be seen as a "big" club to anyone but ourselves, but hopefully we will get there and what Mr Coates & Mr Hughes are doing now may just be the start of that journey
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 6, 2015 11:17:45 GMT
Pure and simple.....money!!!!!
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 6, 2015 20:43:33 GMT
is it just money though?, Derby and Sheffield Wed, to me are bigger clubs than Stoke and one day they will be back with their bigger fan bases
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 6, 2015 20:44:42 GMT
There are no big clubs, just Stoke and a load of also rans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 20:51:34 GMT
is it just money though?, Derby and Sheffield Wed, to me are bigger clubs than Stoke and one day they will be back with their bigger fan bases I've been supporting Stoke for over 40 years now, and for all of that time the two Sheffield clubs have been seen as sleeping giants. Yet neither of them have ever done more than flirt with the big boys for short periods of time. Something always seems to pull them back down. |
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Aug 6, 2015 20:53:18 GMT
massive fan base though
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Post by feynmann2 on Aug 6, 2015 21:02:58 GMT
Barcelona as your feeder club??  In the modern era its money and trophies in that order..... When did Man City become a big club again....first when the money turned up and they could pay the players anything it took, then when they beat us in the cup final cause it showed they knew how to turn the money into success... Liverpool are another example, I think they are continuing to drift away from being a big club (at least their status in the ranks of big clubs is dropping) as they have the first part (money) but can't covert it into success |
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Post by stokey127 on Aug 6, 2015 21:12:53 GMT
is it just money though?, Derby and Sheffield Wed, to me are bigger clubs than Stoke and one day they will be back with their bigger fan bases Yes the more money the club has the bigger they are recognised as. just look at the clubs sky and the media call big, Newcastle Sunderland Everton they are not but have some dosh. It's rubbish. money is everything in football ask Fifa. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 6, 2015 21:21:44 GMT
If attendances are a factor what is the maximum sustainable attendance we could achieve every home game.?
30k?
35k?
40k?
Or have we achieved our maximum now?
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Post by stokester1989 on Aug 6, 2015 21:27:06 GMT
If attendances are a factor what is the maximum sustainable attendance we could achieve every home game.? 30k? 35k? 40k? Or have we achieved our maximum now? Untill we fill the corners we will never know. |
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Post by petemac on Aug 6, 2015 21:29:46 GMT
We will never be a big club unless we gain a full city full of fans. We are bigger than Sheffield Utd but not as big as Sheffield Wed.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 6, 2015 21:48:39 GMT
We will never be a big club unless we gain a full city full of fans. We are bigger than Sheffield Utd but not as big as Sheffield Wed. It may be different if we were a one club city, but we're not. |
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Post by petemac on Aug 6, 2015 21:51:24 GMT
We will never be a big club unless we gain a full city full of fans. We are bigger than Sheffield Utd but not as big as Sheffield Wed. It may be different if we were a one club city, but we're not. Yep |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Aug 6, 2015 22:00:49 GMT
We will never be a big club unless we gain a full city full of fans. We are bigger than Sheffield Utd but not as big as Sheffield Wed. I wouldn't say we're bigger than Sheffield United. Maybe if you only consider the last decade. They've won more, got a bigger ground and are regularly pulling in 20k fans a week in League 1. |
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Post by petemac on Aug 6, 2015 22:06:33 GMT
We will never be a big club unless we gain a full city full of fans. We are bigger than Sheffield Utd but not as big as Sheffield Wed. I wouldn't say we're bigger than Sheffield United. Maybe if you only consider the last decade. They've won more, got a bigger ground and are regularly pulling in 20k fans a week in League 1. We are bigger than Sheff Utd, unless you started following Stoke when they had Sean Bean playing for them |
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Post by discokaraoke on Aug 6, 2015 22:11:12 GMT
Barcelona as your feeder club?? In the modern era its money and trophies in that order..... When did Man City become a big club again....first when the money turned up and they could pay the players anything it took, then when they beat us in the cup final cause it showed they knew how to turn the money into success... Liverpool are another example, I think they are continuing to drift away from being a big club (at least their status in the ranks of big clubs is dropping) as they have the first part (money) but can't covert it into success Liverpool will always be considered a big club, even if they dropped to the championship (which will never happen) and at the end of the day they are a massive club globally. |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Aug 6, 2015 22:52:19 GMT
I wouldn't say we're bigger than Sheffield United. Maybe if you only consider the last decade. They've won more, got a bigger ground and are regularly pulling in 20k fans a week in League 1. We are bigger than Sheff Utd, unless you started following Stoke when they had Sean Bean playing for them If we are it's not by much. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 6, 2015 23:02:26 GMT
One thing about Man City is before the money they were a big club. One of the pointers in there mediocrity was they are a massive club who could easily be up challenging the top clubs. Some websites even used to jokily refer to them as 'massive' whenever they were mentioned. Of all the things to dislike about their takeover the size of the club has never been in doubt.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 6, 2015 23:07:09 GMT
Trophies combined with a large fan base I would have thought. This is usually accompanied by huge amounts of money.
if it was about history, then we would say Notts county are a big club or Evo-Stik’s Sheffield FC who started the game, can claim to have the richest heritage but whose average attendance is about 250.
We have never won a major trophy and have a relatively small fan base so big club we aint
Villa have larger fan base and have won a European Cup
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 6, 2015 23:10:57 GMT
We are bigger than Sheff Utd, unless you started following Stoke when they had Sean Bean playing for them If we are it's not by much. I’d say we are probably on a par with Sheffield United though they are going through a blip at the moment and obviously we currently have greater spending capacity. Five years down the line could be a different matter though. I doubt if we were in their position whether we would be getting 20k most games. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 7, 2015 1:10:13 GMT
We are one of 2 clubs in the smallest city to host 2 football league clubs and we have exactly 1 League Cup to show in 160 years of trying.
A big club we ain't.
Does it bother me? Not a jot, you have massive cred as a Stoke fan, in fact I can't think of another club which would give you equal street cred. We are genuinely blessed.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 7, 2015 1:17:23 GMT
is it just money though?, Derby and Sheffield Wed, to me are bigger clubs than Stoke and one day they will be back with their bigger fan bases Derby?!?! Fuck off! Seriously?!? Either way, best laugh I've had all week. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 7, 2015 1:29:08 GMT
Anyway, size does not simply equate to success or fanbase. Size is not finite nor permanent. Globally, as it stands, we're of colossal status with colossal funds and we've been consistently one of the most talked about clubs since our return to the top flight. For a small two club city we're skyrocketing, we're hated, respected and admired. We're upwardly mobile.
At this moment, we dwarf either Sheffield, Leeds, Wolves, especially pissing Derby.
On the field we'd dick them, we'd whomp them transfer wise, our facilities are better. We are currently bigger. History plays a part but so does being the oldest top flight club in the world. Fill the corners in and we'd have them crying and scrubbing themselves in the shower.
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Aug 7, 2015 5:57:06 GMT
I would say s big club is determined by attendences and potential attendences, anyone can have a billionaire come in and make new history but not all clubs can get massive crowds. Championship teams bigger than us in my opionion are Leeds ( one team city and should get higher crowds considering population size) and sheffield wednesday ( massive , two team city and could get 40 plus in the Prem.
My opionion of who are big clubs are: in my order
Man u
Liverpool
Arsenal
Tottenham ( wait until this new stadium is built, be huge)
Everton
Newcastle
Man city
Chelsea
then potential big clubs
Aston villa
Leeds
Sunderlsnd
Sheff wed
Maybe West ham ( got a massive area - essex - could attract huge crowds)
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