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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 6:00:09 GMT
They're all pretty shit , but he stands out as the shitest one of the lot .
Very popular in certain ethnic communities in London and also far left CND groups .
As a result , the Labour Party is going down faster than a gypo's drawers in poll ratings , but that doesn't matter does it ......
It's the thought that counts , and protesting can be great fun . Gay pride , CND , Anti Austerity , protests are all the stuff of which dreams are made aren't they ?
Goooooaaaarrrnnnnnn. Corbyn ....let's make some placards and distribute them far and wide.
The Tories will soon be quaking in their boots and I have a tambourine and drum I can bash very loudly .
Power to the people !
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 4, 2015 10:03:32 GMT
The full Jeremy Corbyn address from this evening's rally in Camden, London. (You'll need to scroll in about 1 hour and 45 minutes to hear him as it's the stream of the whole Town Hall event). Some really progressive ideas in there and that's why he's doing so well. The mainstream centre left (Tory Light) on offer from Burnham, Cooper and Kendall is vacuous, offers nothing new and is offensive to traditional Labour values. Gooooarn Jez. I quite liked Owen Jones' speech just prior to Corbyn's (around 1hr 27mins in). In Corbyn's defence (perhaps not the right word) he does mention the CND issue which, for some inside Labour, is a difficult pill to swallow. It's difficult because, whilst you're in opposition, taking such an idealistic stance on the defence of a country is just that - idealistic. The idea of mutual destruction has kept nuclear war off the agenda since Nagasaki. He's right that we need to get rid of nuclear weapons, but you need to do it through multilateral institutions like NATO, UN and EU. Doing it unilaterally is a bit dangerous! CND aside Corbyn does have some good ideas - particularly on housing and the economy. Osborne's "trickle down economic" theory doesn't really work. The rich get richer, but the poor don't get any better off, particularly during austerity which hurts the less wealthy the most. If you want people to work you need to make a living wage that makes it affordable. The vast majority of people on benefits are in work - the fact of the matter is that, to be quite frank, pensioners are the biggest drain on the benefit system - but that's anathema. Nobody wants to hurt pensioners, but nobody wants to face the fact that they're the biggest welfare drain, not the unemployed or disabled. It's the idea that the facts have been allowed to be skewed by the political right and, therefore, the debate. I guess that's where the politics of Corbyn is borne from - the idea that Osborne and the political right have tried to create a consensus around austerity. Corbyn is right on borrowing: Osborne, paradoxically, is borrowing more now than Labour ever did. The questions is what on? It's not the poor or vulnerable and it certainly isn't the NHS. It's not the defence of the realm. It's not policing. It's not schools and education. It's on paying down the deficit - despite George Osborne and the Conservatives THIS MORNING throwing away over a billion pounds on the RBS sell-off. It's the idea that those on the right are trying to create a consensus around capitalism for it's own sake. The problem people like Corbyn have is that to keep doing this sort of thing is to accept that the system which caused the economic crash (unfettered, unchallenged free market capitalism) doesn't need changing or amending, that we just put a plaster on it and carry on regardless. If, after the Second World War, a country can implement austerity and create the NHS, build council homes and the welfare state why can't it improve those things now? Corbyn has a point. I'm not sure he'll win the leadership election, but perhaps it's a good thing he's challenging for it and getting quite close to winning it, who knows. My guess is that, whether he wins or not, his relative success in campaign is enough. It's enough to make Labour think twice about its future direction. The fact that those on the centre-right of the path have come out and said they would not serve under Jeremy Corbyn should he win the election is case in point. The idea that Labour is, at its core, Tory Light is cracking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:27:20 GMT
Some really progressive ideas in there and that's why he's doing so well. The mainstream centre left (Tory Light) on offer from Burnham, Cooper and Kendall is vacuous, offers nothing new and is offensive to traditional Labour values. Gooooarn Jez. I quite liked Owen Jones' speech just prior to Corbyn's (around 1hr 27mins in). In Corbyn's defence (perhaps not the right word) he does mention the CND issue which, for some inside Labour, is a difficult pill to swallow. It's difficult because, whilst you're in opposition, taking such an idealistic stance on the defence of a country is just that - idealistic. The idea of mutual destruction has kept nuclear war off the agenda since Nagasaki. He's right that we need to get rid of nuclear weapons, but you need to do it through multilateral institutions like NATO, UN and EU. Doing it unilaterally is a bit dangerous! CND aside Corbyn does have some good ideas - particularly on housing and the economy. Osborne's "trickle down economic" theory doesn't really work. The rich get richer, but the poor don't get any better off, particularly during austerity which hurts the less wealthy the most. If you want people to work you need to make a living wage that makes it affordable. The vast majority of people on benefits are in work - the fact of the matter is that, to be quite frank, pensioners are the biggest drain on the benefit system - but that's anathema. Nobody wants to hurt pensioners, but nobody wants to face the fact that they're the biggest welfare drain, not the unemployed or disabled. It's the idea that the facts have been allowed to be skewed by the political right and, therefore, the debate. I guess that's where the politics of Corbyn is borne from - the idea that Osborne and the political right have tried to create a consensus around austerity. Corbyn is right on borrowing: Osborne, paradoxically, is borrowing more now than Labour ever did. The questions is what on? It's not the poor or vulnerable and it certainly isn't the NHS. It's not the defence of the realm. It's not policing. It's not schools and education. It's on paying down the deficit - despite George Osborne and the Conservatives THIS MORNING throwing away over a billion pounds on the RBS sell-off. It's the idea that those on the right are trying to create a consensus around capitalism for it's own sake. The problem people like Corbyn have is that to keep doing this sort of thing is to accept that the system which caused the economic crash (unfettered, unchallenged free market capitalism) doesn't need changing or amending, that we just put a plaster on it and carry on regardless. If, after the Second World War, a country can implement austerity and create the NHS, build council homes and the welfare state why can't it improve those things now? Corbyn has a point. I'm not sure he'll win the leadership election, but perhaps it's a good thing he's challenging for it and getting quite close to winning it, who knows. My guess is that, whether he wins or not, his relative success in campaign is enough. It's enough to make Labour think twice about its future direction. The fact that those on the centre-right of the path have come out and said they would not serve under Jeremy Corbyn should he win the election is case in point. The idea that Labour is, at its core, Tory Light is cracking. You may be "not sure" he will win the election , but "perhaps it's a good thing he's challenging for it ". Well , if he does win it , I can tell you that the Labour Party as a major party political force is finished ...Over ! The rest is not important ....immaterial ....crap . But you , like many more on here don't seem to care . He's your man and that's it . The fact that this man will put this party back 30 years is not important to you is it ....? Like lambs to the slaughter .....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:42:35 GMT
They're all pretty shit , but he stands out as the shitest one of the lot . Very popular in certain ethnic communities in London and also far left CND groups . As a result , the Labour Party is going down faster than a gypo's drawers in poll ratings , but that doesn't matter does it ...... It's the thought that counts , and protesting can be great fun . Gay pride , CND , Anti Austerity , protests are all the stuff of which dreams are made aren't they ? Goooooaaaarrrnnnnnn. Corbyn ....let's make some placards and distribute them far and wide. The Tories will soon be quaking in their boots and I have a tambourine and drum I can bash very loudly . Power to the people ! Attachment DeletedShow ' em how it's done mumf
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 7, 2015 0:49:44 GMT
Well done to The Conservative Party.
Place RBS on the market well underpriced (according to all the Cityl) and let all your mates in the City collect one Billion pounds.
But hey..Forget about that..and lets all admire these amazing cartoons and pictures on here from Oatcake posters.
The sort of thing you see in The Sun and the Gutter Press for the hard of Thinking.
Brilliant aren't they?
Can I colour them in please?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 7, 2015 1:05:27 GMT
Well done to The Conservative Party. Place RBS on the market well underpriced (according to all the Cityl) and let all your mates in the City collect one Billion pounds. But hey..Forget about that..and lets all admire these amazing cartoons and pictures on here from Oatcake posters. The sort of thing you see in The Sun and the Gutter Press for the hard of Thinking. Brilliant aren't they? Can I colour them in please? Sadly the seriously deluded, ignorant and selfish folk on here will never get it. Thatcher's finest achievement...here in all it's glory.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 7, 2015 1:15:06 GMT
That's a bit harsh Huddy.
Mrs Thatcher wasn't that bad.
She never drew cartoons or posted stupid pictures or tried to turn serious threads that she didn't agree with into 'jokes' or grovelled to anyone who'd been (or was publicly able to admit to) being in the Armed Forces.
I don't know why you bother mate..The Oatcake is an absolute fucking joke.
Waste of space.
A few decent trees like yourself and Salop (who I've always liked despite his political views) in a wood full of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 11:48:51 GMT
So there we have it ....Summarising there is a clear divide in the party .
I say Corbyn is no good as party leader and that the Labour Party will get absolutely slaughtered ....
To my left , in the distance we have the CND , pro immigration , pro single sex marriage luvvies who think he's the best thing since Larry Grayson had a prime slot on Saturday night TV . Why they think that much has changed since Milliband got his arse kicked ....God only knows ....?
Common fucking sense and even David Blunketts dog can see that instead of veering over further to the left , it would make more sense to veer over to the middle or right .
Instead of swallowing their pride and listening to the broader electorate , they would rather show what appeal he has on the left party .
That's the crux and purpose of this thread . The lefty luvvies cannot and will not accept that this isn't just about winning a leadership election , it's more importantly about winning the next general election . It's a difficult enough task with someone on the far right of the party , but advocating Corbyns campaign credentials is nothing short of short sighted insanity . There is not one shred of support for Corbyn outside the party and never has been . He and his supporters refuse to accept that they will get absolutely slaughtered in an election race .
The sniping , the slanderous innuendos and egotistical agendas will count for nothing to those when the nation votes . In four years time this country will be that bit further down the road to repaying its debt (if not all) and what will Corbyn have to say about the austerity measures employed then ?
What will he have to say about the continuing crisis in Calais and the 2 million more immigrants the country has taken in .....?
Will the left then admit defeat , or simply bang an even louder drum ?
This is Labours one big chance to get the decision right . The right decision is on the right of the party . It is not on the left (even if you support Corbyn) as the point of all this is to appeal to the nation as a whole . It is infinitely better to get someone in with genuine 'sex appeal' like Tony Blair demonstrated than to cut your nose off to spite your face .
There are no prizes for coming second in politics .
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 12:13:41 GMT
Snipe like fuck then complain about people sniping and having egotistical agendas. Constantly claim to be a potential Labour supporter whilst singing the praises of UKIP and their policies at every opportunity. No point arguing, it's Mumf logic........
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 7, 2015 12:23:25 GMT
So there we have it ....Summarising there is a clear divide in the party . I say Corbyn is no good as party leader and that the Labour Party will get absolutely slaughtered .... To my left , in the distance we have the CND , pro immigration , pro single sex marriage luvvies who think he's the best thing since Larry Grayson had a prime slot on Saturday night TV . Why they think that much has changed since Milliband got his arse kicked ....God only knows ....? Common fucking sense and even David Blunketts dog can see that instead of veering over further to the left , it would make more sense to veer over to the middle or right . Instead of swallowing their pride and listening to the broader electorate , they would rather show what appeal he has on the left party . That's the crux and purpose of this thread . The lefty luvvies cannot and will not accept that this isn't just about winning a leadership election , it's more importantly about winning the next general election . It's a difficult enough task with someone on the far right of the party , but advocating Corbyns campaign credentials is nothing short of short sighted insanity . There is not one shred of support for Corbyn outside the party and never has been . He and his supporters refuse to accept that they will get absolutely slaughtered in an election race . The sniping , the slanderous innuendos and egotistical agendas will count for nothing to those when the nation votes . In four years time this country will be that bit further down the road to repaying its debt (if not all) and what will Corbyn have to say about the austerity measures employed then ? What will he have to say about the continuing crisis in Calais and the 2 million more immigrants the country has taken in .....? Will the left then admit defeat , or simply bang an even louder drum ? This is Labours one big chance to get the decision right . The right decision is on the right of the party . It is not on the left (even if you support Corbyn) as the point of all this is to appeal to the nation as a whole . It is infinitely better to get someone in with genuine 'sex appeal' like Tony Blair demonstrated than to cut your nose off to spite your face . There are no prizes for coming second in politics . From a pragmatic point of view, I agree with most (not all) of that, however, the party does not have an ability to make the "right decision", as none of the "moderate" or "right wing" candidates are capable of true leadership either. Despite his very obvious flaws, Corbyn is the only one with something close to an original thought in his head. If the Labour Party continues it's journey to be Diet Tory, what's the bleeding point in having it, other than to be elected and give people a career in politics, rather than doing something useful?!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 7, 2015 12:32:10 GMT
According to this, even a movement to the right / centre may not be enough (May be the best bet, but not enough) It is not in the Labour 'strongholds' that they need to win seats, but in those marginals which decide elections. For me it is here that Corbyn would fail. I'd still like him to win the contest though, not because I want Labour to fail, but because I believe that there is going to be much debate /division in the next few years and someone needs to say what he is saying. As Mumf says, it may only amount to a protest vote, until other things emerge. Pollster John Curtice warns Labour a majority in 2020 is 'improbable' gu.com/p/4952p?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardThe Euroreferendum will focus a few minds. Electoral Reform , not in the interests of the two main parties of course, and therfore extremely unlikely,not even on the agenda, seems to me to be the best way back for the working class and the country.Unfettered Toryism will be brutal and frightening .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:51:07 GMT
Snipe like fuck then complain about people sniping and having egotistical agendas. Constantly claim to be a potential Labour supporter whilst singing the praises of UKIP and their policies at every opportunity. No point arguing, it's Mumf logic........ You are a prime example of EXACTLY the point I'm making .
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 13:06:13 GMT
Snipe like fuck then complain about people sniping and having egotistical agendas. Constantly claim to be a potential Labour supporter whilst singing the praises of UKIP and their policies at every opportunity. No point arguing, it's Mumf logic........ You are a prime example of EXACTLY the point I'm making . Your "points" are nonsence. There's no debate with you, this has been proven time and time again, crack on with your usual shite for you have nothing but contradiction in virtually every post you make. My case is rested on this, everything concerning your comments are worthy of nothing more than mild humour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 13:21:25 GMT
"Nonsence....."
Ha ha ha!
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 13:32:04 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 7, 2015 14:01:59 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane. Don't be cruel. It's been quite obvious for some time that Harry has got a massive 'man crush' on Mumf. It's a hard spot for him to be in though 'cos he knows that Mumf & the rest of the merrymen all hate 'queers'. It must be burning him up inside wanting to express his love but knows he'd get disowned if he did. I feel sorry for the poor little blighter.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 7, 2015 14:08:48 GMT
Well done to The Conservative Party. Place RBS on the market well underpriced (according to all the Cityl) and let all your mates in the City collect one Billion pounds. But hey..Forget about that..and lets all admire these amazing cartoons and pictures on here from Oatcake posters. The sort of thing you see in The Sun and the Gutter Press for the hard of Thinking. Brilliant aren't they? Can I colour them in please? is it under priced? Would it cost more in the long run to keep them? Would 2bn mean more to govt coffers now than 3bn in two years time It's not always as black and white as it seems. My eBay slant is I'd rather get a lower price for my tat than have it stuck in the cupboard doing nothing And I love you too drizzle
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 14:30:08 GMT
Well done to The Conservative Party. Place RBS on the market well underpriced (according to all the Cityl) and let all your mates in the City collect one Billion pounds. But hey..Forget about that..and lets all admire these amazing cartoons and pictures on here from Oatcake posters. The sort of thing you see in The Sun and the Gutter Press for the hard of Thinking. Brilliant aren't they? Can I colour them in please? Wasn't it new labour who sold all our gold reserves for next to nothing
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 14:43:19 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane. Don't be cruel. It's been quite obvious for some time that Harry has got a massive 'man crush' on Mumf. It's a hard spot for him to be in though 'cos he knows that Mumf & the rest of the merrymen all hate 'queers'. It must be burning him up inside wanting to express his love but knows he'd get disowned if he did. I feel sorry for the poor little blighter. Not sure about the "hate" bit so much though, i'm pretty sure he managed to mention Larry Grayson in a previous post. Quite an unusal connection to make when posting in a thread about the Labour party. Some subliminal shit going on here me thinks...
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 7, 2015 14:53:02 GMT
Anyway, in answer to the original question, no it isn't time for Labour to split.
Next.....
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 14:56:14 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane. Earth to billy no mates
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 14:58:37 GMT
Snipe like fuck then complain about people sniping and having egotistical agendas. Constantly claim to be a potential Labour supporter whilst singing the praises of UKIP and their policies at every opportunity. No point arguing, it's Mumf logic........ You are a prime example of EXACTLY the point I'm making . He isn't right in the head mumf and when he's wrong which is all the time he throws his toys out of the pram and has a tantrum just because people don't agree with his far left views . The runner lives in cloud cuckoo land
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 15:05:41 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane. Don't be cruel. It's been quite obvious for some time that Harry has got a massive 'man crush' on Mumf. It's a hard spot for him to be in though 'cos he knows that Mumf & the rest of the merrymen all hate 'queers'. It must be burning him up inside wanting to express his love but knows he'd get disowned if he did. I feel sorry for the poor little blighter. Now now Mr angry you've been told about your temper before , don't make me add homophobia to the list
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 7, 2015 15:16:02 GMT
No need to get all angry & defensive, Harry. You're okay on here untill your old crew turn up & try to run you out-of-town, but we'll protect you, don't worry.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 15:31:42 GMT
FFS commie that was very aggressive and angry. You need anger management, it's ok we won't judge you for your hormonal issues
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 7, 2015 15:34:57 GMT
Come on now, Harry there's no need for all that "FFSing". It's a Friday evening mate, let all that anger & hatred go & you'll have a much better weekend.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 15:39:27 GMT
Come on now, Harry there's no need for all that "FFSing". It's a Friday evening mate, let all that anger & hatred go & you'll have a much better weekend. Ffs commie that was a low blow I can't believe you have just said that
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 15:54:33 GMT
You are a prime example of EXACTLY the point I'm making . He isn't right in the head mumf and when he's wrong which is all the time he throws his toys out of the pram and has a tantrum just because people don't agree with his far left views . The runner lives in cloud cuckoo land Such an outburst harry, i think we're making progress.
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 7, 2015 15:58:37 GMT
He isn't right in the head mumf and when he's wrong which is all the time he throws his toys out of the pram and has a tantrum just because people don't agree with his far left views . The runner lives in cloud cuckoo land Such an outburst harry, i think we're making progress. Ffs I'm sick of this bullying I'm reporting you for that comment that was bang out of order
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2015 17:34:41 GMT
Ever noticed how stokeharry "likes" everything Mumf posts, no matter how inane. Excellent post. Thumbs Up.
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