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Post by mrcoke on Jul 28, 2015 21:18:27 GMT
It would be brilliant if Sidwell could recover his best form. I don't think he would be as good as N'Zonzi at retaining the ball, but he would be more positive going forward and would be better at scoring.
Similarly Johnson getting a fresh lease of life and recovering his best form would give us a major boost.
The main issue though is their ages and they are probably past their best.
One thing we have learned fromBojan and Arni though is that we have to be patient with the signings who are new to the Prem and allow them time to adjust, get more muscular, and establish a good understanding with their team mates.
All the indications are to me that MH will achieve more in the second half of the season than the first, after he has found the best combination after the new comers have settled in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 21:22:03 GMT
Moha. No one is expecting to see him in the first team, but I can't believe he won't be after seeing him against Singapore XI. We will not miss Moses if he can reproduce that in the Prem. The Singapore XI are the equivalent to barely the Conference aren't they? Moha will be behind Arnie and Afellay. Let him develop in the U-21's. Where has all this hope over Sidwell come from?
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 28, 2015 21:29:49 GMT
Anyone thought that whelan could be the one to make way for sidwell with MVG next to him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 21:33:29 GMT
Arnie will be superb and diouf will be wanted by all the top teams
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 21:40:23 GMT
Anyone thought that whelan could be the one to make way for sidwell with MVG next to him? I hope not!
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 21:41:20 GMT
Arnie will be superb and diouf will be wanted by all the top teams Wow you can type whilst you are dreaming impressive.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 21:47:10 GMT
you never know. Perhaps Wolly really is the Next Franz Beckebauer and Only Hughsey has spotted it Perhaps we will win the FA Cup and the Prem. title we will fill in the corners and I will win £15million on the lottery, but Wolly will never be the next Beckenbauer.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 28, 2015 21:53:24 GMT
Moha. No one is expecting to see him in the first team, but I can't believe he won't be after seeing him against Singapore XI. We will not miss Moses if he can reproduce that in the Prem. The Singapore XI are the equivalent to barely the Conference aren't they? Moha will be behind Arnie and Afellay. Let him develop in the U-21's. Where has all this hope over Sidwell come from? Fulham had a dire season in 2013-14 with constant poor performances, 3 managers, a huge number of players tried and the nadir reached at the Brit with a 4 - 1 thrashing. A number of supposedly talented players disgraced themselves, a huge number of loans were tried, loads of transfers, and it was generally thought no one worthy of the title of player of the season. However there is a view, which you may not share, that one player did stand out, namely Sidwell. He was virtually an ever present and highest scorer. IMO MH knew what he was getting when he signed him but unfortunately things haven't worked out for him at Stoke. This is mainly due to N'Zonzi and Whelan being a superb engine room for the side and "picking themselves". N'Zonzi's departure could be the opportunity for Sidwell to be Stoke' "box to box" player. He is very athletic, has bite, and can get into scoring positions. Give him a chance.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 28, 2015 21:54:48 GMT
Johnson for me I think he's an improvement on what we've got and I'm backing to him to have a good season.
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Post by skip on Jul 28, 2015 21:56:39 GMT
Bojan, Arnie and Van Ginkel (sp). And Crouch to have an Indian Summer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 21:57:57 GMT
The Singapore XI are the equivalent to barely the Conference aren't they? Moha will be behind Arnie and Afellay. Let him develop in the U-21's. Where has all this hope over Sidwell come from? Fulham had a dire season in 2013-14 with constant poor performances, 3 managers, a huge number of players tried and the nadir reached at the Brit with a 4 - 1 thrashing. A number of supposedly talented players disgraced themselves, a huge number of loans were tried, loads of transfers, and it was generally thought no one worthy of the title of player of the season. However there is a view, which you may not share, that one player did stand out, namely Sidwell. He was virtually an ever present and highest scorer. IMO MH knew what he was getting when he signed him but unfortunately things haven't worked out for him at Stoke. This is mainly due to N'Zonzi and Whelan being a superb engine room for the side and "picking themselves". N'Zonzi's departure could be the opportunity for Sidwell to be Stoke' "box to box" player. He is very athletic, has bite, and can get into scoring positions. Give him a chance. We did last season, he kept kicking people. It's safe to say I need a lot of convincing on him.
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Post by neverhadanoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 22:08:14 GMT
i bet sidwell's really bothered bayernoatcake needs convincing lol
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Post by redstriper on Jul 28, 2015 22:08:35 GMT
its Johnson for me.
muni will be immense but I don't see any surprise there...he's quality.
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Post by ayem on Jul 28, 2015 22:11:25 GMT
Stoke.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 28, 2015 23:00:32 GMT
Charlie.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 28, 2015 23:07:25 GMT
I'm in for Sidwell too.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 28, 2015 23:47:49 GMT
Sidwell reminds me of Nicky Butt. Physically and combativeness. I thought he was trying too hard to impress with his early rashness. Still back-up but I'm not against him, and I'd like to see him starting in the League Cup at least. Like folk have said Sidwell was great for Fulham, and ain't he a mate of Hughes? Probably integral {behind the scenes} to Hughes' settling in. Like Ireland, Bardsley too. Players he's worked with who are familiar with his methodology. As Hughes and co. are establishing themselves there'll be less of a need for him to have such players around him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 23:52:40 GMT
Sidwell reminds me of Nicky Butt. Physically and combativeness. I thought he was trying too hard to impress with his early rashness. Still back-up but I'm not against him, and I'd like to see him starting in the League Cup at least. Like folk have said Sidwell was great for Fulham, and ain't he a mate of Hughes? Probably integral {behind the scenes} to Hughes' settling in. Like Ireland, Bardsley too. Players he's worked with who are familiar with his methodology. As Hughes and co. are establishing themselves there'll be less of a need for him to have such players around him. He's never worked with Bardsley before has he?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 28, 2015 23:58:28 GMT
Sidwell reminds me of Nicky Butt. Physically and combativeness. I thought he was trying too hard to impress with his early rashness. Still back-up but I'm not against him, and I'd like to see him starting in the League Cup at least. Like folk have said Sidwell was great for Fulham, and ain't he a mate of Hughes? Probably integral {behind the scenes} to Hughes' settling in. Like Ireland, Bardsley too. Players he's worked with who are familiar with his methodology. As Hughes and co. are establishing themselves there'll be less of a need for him to have such players around him. He's never worked with Bardsley before has he? I was going to put a {?} on that one, I'm sure I read somewhere that he had. I'll scurry off to check that out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 0:07:24 GMT
He's never worked with Bardsley before has he? I was going to put a {?} on that one, I'm sure I read somewhere that he had. I'll scurry off to check that out. I can't think where he would have done unless it was at Man Yoo when Bardo was very young maybe? He's been at Man Yoo, Sunderland and then us hasn't he?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 29, 2015 0:15:32 GMT
I was going to put a {?} on that one, I'm sure I read somewhere that he had. I'll scurry off to check that out. I can't think where he would have done unless it was at Man Yoo when Bardo was very young maybe? He's been at Man Yoo, Sunderland and then us hasn't he? You're right about Bardsley. I'll justify my error by saying I must have confused a loan spell at Rangers, to have been the QP variety. {I know the dates don't tally.} My point about Sidwell and Ireland stands. Edit: {I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes and Bardsley had rubbed shoulders at The Cliff at some point.}
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 29, 2015 0:18:15 GMT
I can't think where he would have done unless it was at Man Yoo when Bardo was very young maybe? He's been at Man Yoo, Sunderland and then us hasn't he? You're right about Bardsley. I'll justify my error by saying I must have confused a loan spell at Rangers, to have been the QP variety. {I know the dates don't tally.} My point about Sidwell and Ireland stands. It does although I still don't think Sidwell was ever needed! Nor Bardsley thinking about it. And that's not hindsight.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2015 0:27:44 GMT
Anyone thought that whelan could be the one to make way for sidwell with MVG next to him? Nope, neither are really holding midfielders, also why replace one of our better players over the last two seasons with someone that would just be doing a job.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 29, 2015 0:55:26 GMT
You're right about Bardsley. I'll justify my error by saying I must have confused a loan spell at Rangers, to have been the QP variety. {I know the dates don't tally.} My point about Sidwell and Ireland stands. It does although I still don't think Sidwell was ever needed! Nor Bardsley thinking about it. And that's not hindsight. Fair enough, your views. I think Bardsley was a shrewd move at the time given the right back options at the time Cameron {World Cup etc}, Wilko, Wilson and Shotton gone, and his potential utility for the left. Re-reading the wiki stuff on him I like Phil's self description: 'Bardsley plays at right back and describes himself as a modern full-back.— "Since I started playing professionally, the game has changed and you have to be really, really fit because a full-back is expected to get up and down the pitch. I like to defend and be aggressive, but also get forward to create chances and create goals, it's all part of being a modern-day full-back.' He hasn't fully fulfilled his own description, I think he often occupies an advanced position and consequently can pull our own defence apart without ever providing the threat to justify it. He does have the aggressive defending which I like, but he's often left chasing attackers. He did play 30 games for us last season {which surprised me} I can't recall many where he's done owt to stand out. I've been disappointed with his 'creating', and don't feel he's ever established a proper partnership with his right winger. No doubt that's why Johnson's here, an upgrade Whether he's surplus depends on the plans for Cameron {who I think has built some symbiosis with Walters.} Again the Sidwell signing can be justified on several levels. Not least that if you scratch the surface of our midfield at the time: the fact that Hughes had tried all sorts of alternatives to Whelan, Adam has again had to prove himself, a seemingly perpetually unsettled N'Zonzi, Ireland's injuries and the unknown quantity of Bojan. If it's status quo with Sidwell at xmas I'll be more inclined to acknowledge the validity of your view on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 5:49:13 GMT
Wulfert Cornelious "Marco" Van Ginkel.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Jul 29, 2015 6:16:51 GMT
Moha. No one is expecting to see him in the first team, but I can't believe he won't be after seeing him against Singapore XI. We will not miss Moses if he can reproduce that in the Prem. seriously? Think you will be dissapointed. He will be lucky to start 5 games all season
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 29, 2015 6:18:45 GMT
B.biscuit who by Christmas will happily predicting Europa league spot
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 6:20:08 GMT
Moha has got amssive potential - Ireckon he will force his way into contention
They used to say - fast winger - 'he can catch pidgeons'
this lad - 'hes got afterburners'
you'll see
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 29, 2015 6:32:16 GMT
Jack Butland to have a sensational season. Then get sold for 30 milion.
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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 29, 2015 6:56:09 GMT
Ollie shenton and the next winger/ signing we bring in
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