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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2015 15:40:08 GMT
Totally agree we let him go too early and too cheap even if we had kept him to 31st August another flaw in our commercial logic .
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 26, 2015 15:44:23 GMT
He was worth more to us for a season than the 7 million we got. I have no idea how we go about replacing him. It is the equivalent of Liverpool losing Suarez, he was the heartbeat of our side. I'm really surprised we let him go As good as he is (was) for us, there's no way could we afford to lose out on £7M £7M with one season left on his contract Or Contract up and get £0 It's a no brainer surely???
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 26, 2015 15:45:36 GMT
Our turnover is 100m a year. To be quite frank 7m is peanuts to us these days.
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 15:46:13 GMT
It's like Pulis all over again let it go he's gone. No point pining after someone that didn't want to be here. MVG is here now and we should be backing him to be a success rather than righting him off before he has kicked a ball.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 26, 2015 15:51:21 GMT
We'll need to replace him. 7M for him was a fair price, taking the length of his contract into considderation, but we'll have to spend that money (probably even more) to replace him. I don't think MVG is the solution, but he'll offer us something else.
Leroy Fer, perhaps?
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 15:55:53 GMT
We'll need to replace him. 7M for him was a fair price, taking the length of his contract into considderation, but we'll have to spend that money (probably even more) to replace him. I don't think MVG is the solution, but he'll offer us something else. Leroy Fer, perhaps? He's already been replaced.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 26, 2015 16:01:55 GMT
Having seen MVG yesterday he is not going to cut it as a Nzonzi replacement
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:08:48 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time.
The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke?
Give the lad a chance for fucks sake.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 26, 2015 16:09:45 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. How dare you make a valid and correct point, to the gallows with you!
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:10:50 GMT
Having seen MVG yesterday he is not going to cut it as a Nzonzi replacement You could also suggest Shawcross, bojan or any one else couldn't cut it based on yesterday's performance. Friendlies mean nothing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 26, 2015 16:18:24 GMT
Seems a bit previous to get too worked up just yet because we don't know for sure whether or not there are other targets for midfield.
Nonetheless we'll just have to get used to losing players that have done well with us. N'Zonzi has been integral to our transition, in keeping it on the deck more and retaining possession. He's been immense, but things change. Hughes and co knew he wanted away, I'm sure they've been planning for this.
If we don't buy, and stick with what we've got it'll be different, not necessarily worse or less effective. Looks to me like we're moving away from N'Zonzi's more languid style, looking for a swifter transition from defence to attack. To Bojan and beyond as quickly as possible.
I think Whelan and N'Zonzi had a great complimentary partnership, neither seemed to have as good a game if one was missing {when N'Zonzi had his face broken, and before xmas when Glen bost his leg.} I'm interested to see how Glen responds to the loss of N'Zonzi, Hughes spent his first season looking at alternatives to Glen and seemed close to signing Cattermole. At his current level of performance Whelan's a starter, but we'll need stronger competition for his slot, unless someone in-house can step up. Cameron is not the long term answer. It's one of the reasons why I think the friendlies are interesting. See how we adapt to the loss of N'Zonzi.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 26, 2015 16:18:23 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. Miggo, I've got no quarrels with Van Ginkel - I think he is a very good signing. But he is NOT a N'Zonzi replacement.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2015 16:19:51 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. Just van ginkel? Every single player that we have asigned has been written off. Some of them even continue when proven wrong.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2015 16:20:58 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. Miggo, I've got no quarrels with Van Ginkel - I think he is a very good signing. But he is NOT a N'Zonzi replacement. Is there a player out there that IS a direct replacement for N'zonzi?
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:22:52 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. Miggo, I've got no quarrels with Van Ginkel - I think he is a very good signing. But he is NOT a N'Zonzi replacement. He will play alongside whelan who will both be behind bojan in that middle triangle. So if he's not an Zonzi replacement I'm not sure what he is. The lad hasn't come here to sit on the bench and he's not the defensive midfielder that whelan is or the more attacking second striker that Bojan is. Only one other position available in my eyes.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 26, 2015 16:29:40 GMT
Why are people suddenly wanking off Steve Sidwell? We've lost two of our best players from last season and not replaced adequately but it's ok we've got Sidwell and Moha! Yeah, sorry for not buying into that. Agree I am all for looking forward but if Sidwell is the was we'd then we are in trouble I simply don't understand how so many people seem happy to provide excuses for what has, so far, been an extremely poor transfer window overall for us I've said this for ages now but to get these targets we need to spend... Nzonzi didn't go for free so a replacement won't be free either! But the only slight problem is that we don't wanna spend... Unlike every other prem team we're scared to spend! Some People then give examples of teams that have failed when spending but they weren't an established prem team so couldn't result in a plan b, but we have many options to compete for top ten, but we need to push forward! Here I go again, once I start I can't stop...!
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:33:25 GMT
Agree I am all for looking forward but if Sidwell is the was we'd then we are in trouble I simply don't understand how so many people seem happy to provide excuses for what has, so far, been an extremely poor transfer window overall for us I've said this for ages now but to get these targets we need to spend... Nzonzi didn't go for free so a replacement won't be free either! But the only slight problem is that we don't wanna spend... Unlike every other prem team we're scared to spend! Some People then give examples of teams that have failed when spending but they weren't an established prem team so couldn't result in a plan b, but we have many options to compete for top ten, but we need to push forward! Here I go again, once I start I can't stop...! The 25-30m odd pound that we have bid on wingers not good enough?
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 16:40:18 GMT
Sound out Utd about carrick , his opportunities will be limited this season and he wouldn't need to move house
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:42:41 GMT
Sound out Utd about carrick , his opportunities will be limited this season and he wouldn't need to move house I think he will still be expecting to play games this year, not a bad shout if utd don't want him but I suspect they do.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 26, 2015 16:43:56 GMT
I've said this for ages now but to get these targets we need to spend... Nzonzi didn't go for free so a replacement won't be free either! But the only slight problem is that we don't wanna spend... Unlike every other prem team we're scared to spend! Some People then give examples of teams that have failed when spending but they weren't an established prem team so couldn't result in a plan b, but we have many options to compete for top ten, but we need to push forward! Here I go again, once I start I can't stop...! The 25-30m odd pound that we have bid on wingers not good enough? We've sold 18m so far and paid out 5m so far... Even if we were to sign 1 of them, which is all we would have signed, that would have only evened the summer budget out to a grand total of nothing!
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Post by philb on Jul 26, 2015 16:51:09 GMT
Having seen MVG yesterday he is not going to cut it as a Nzonzi replacement You could also suggest Shawcross, bojan or any one else couldn't cut it based on yesterday's performance. Friendlies mean nothing. Quite agree. Nzonzi wasn't the player he is/was now when he first came to us.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 16:51:57 GMT
Sound out Utd about carrick , his opportunities will be limited this season and he wouldn't need to move house I think he will still be expecting to play games this year, not a bad shout if utd don't want him but I suspect they do. They have shniederlin, Blind and schwienstieger ( spelling ) in front of him for DM . Anyway it's worth asking
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 16:52:10 GMT
The 25-30m odd pound that we have bid on wingers not good enough? We've sold 18m so far and paid out 5m so far... Even if we were to sign 1 of them, which is all we would have signed, that would have only evened the summer budget out to a grand total of nothing! And go have a look what we did last year and the year before without spending much. Money isn't everything, Man city have spent £50m on one player does that guarantee them success?
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 26, 2015 17:00:40 GMT
We've sold 18m so far and paid out 5m so far... Even if we were to sign 1 of them, which is all we would have signed, that would have only evened the summer budget out to a grand total of nothing! And go have a look what we did last year and the year before without spending much. Money isn't everything, Man city have spent £50m on one player does that guarantee them success? did u read my first post? We can afford to spend money because we have a plan b anyway and should be trying to push up the table? Man city have bought success as well by winning the title twice...
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Post by themistocles on Jul 26, 2015 17:02:02 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. I don't think people are dismissing MVG, he can play an number of positions in the team as shown in pre season, he won't be short of game time. Nzonzi' role in the team was arguably one of the most important, that's why a number of supporters are questioning MVG in that role due to his inexperience. I personally think Hughes will sign another CM and that's not him dismissing MVG.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 17:03:42 GMT
He was worth more to us for a season than the 7 million we got. I have no idea how we go about replacing him. It is the equivalent of Liverpool losing Suarez, he was the heartbeat of our side. I'm really surprised we let him go As good as he is (was) for us, there's no way could we afford to lose out on £7M £7M with one season left on his contract Or Contract up and get £0 It's a no brainer surely??? If he wanted to go so badly why did we not have a replacement lined up, not an unknown loan player but a player that actually belonged to us who could do the job Zonz did, if not £7m is not really an issue in relation to the TV money increase.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 26, 2015 17:08:17 GMT
I think there is an argument for sticking Muniesa in there and we go and spend big on a centre half to partner Ryan. I think it will be easier to bring in a centre half than a central midfielder of the calibre we need. Muniesa has the legs to get about the pitch. I'd probably also look to bring in a destroyer in midfield to challenge Glenn.
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Post by fulagoals on Jul 26, 2015 17:08:27 GMT
It's unbelievable the amount of people on here that won't give van Ginkel time. The lad cost Chelsea £9m and just because he couldn't force his way into a midfield that has consisted of Lampard, Oscar, hazard, ramirez and fabragas to name a few over the last few years means he isn't good enough for Stoke? Give the lad a chance for fucks sake. I don't think people are dismissing MVG, he can play an number of positions in the team as shown in pre season, he won't be short of game time. Nzonzi' role in the team was arguably one of the most important, that's why a number of supporters are questioning MVG in that role due to his inexperience. I personally think Hughes will sign another CM and that's not him dismissing MVG.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 26, 2015 17:09:28 GMT
MVG I don't see working in our formation with the current players.
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Post by miggo on Jul 26, 2015 17:13:40 GMT
I think there is an argument for sticking Muniesa in there and we go and spend big on a centre half to partner Ryan. I think it will be easier to bring in a centre half than a central midfielder of the calibre we need. Muniesa has the legs to get about the pitch. I'd probably also look to bring in a destroyer in midfield to challenge Glenn. If MH thought Muniesa was a midfielder he would have played him there before now, there is more of an argument to suggest Cameron will be back up this year after playing there last year and having brought in another right back.
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