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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 19:55:15 GMT
I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there. That's all good mate but nzonzi controlled the whole tempo to our play. His composure on the ball was outstanding. I always said when nzonzi played well so did stoke. I can't recall the stats of how many games he's aged over the past 3 seasons but imo it's his involvement that got us to where we are today. We desperately need to find a player who can control our play not just tackle and intercept Clyde stop talking sense you must not question any of the bizarre reasons we have for weakening our squad /team, after all as some say on here Zonz was not as good as most witnessed last season and can easily be replaced, Wolly is better in defence than Huth , Butland is better than Bego and night is day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 19:59:26 GMT
That's all good mate but nzonzi controlled the whole tempo to our play. His composure on the ball was outstanding. I always said when nzonzi played well so did stoke. I can't recall the stats of how many games he's aged over the past 3 seasons but imo it's his involvement that got us to where we are today. We desperately need to find a player who can control our play not just tackle and intercept Clyde stop talking sense you must not question any of the bizarre reasons we have for weakening our squad /team, after all as some say on here Zonz was not as good as most witnessed last season and can easily be replaced, Wolly is better in defence than Huth , Butland is better than Bego and night is day. We've just got hope he's got a plan up his sleeve mate. how people think slasher sidwell is the heart of our side I'll never know though. We're pinning a lot of faith aswell in a 22 year old who only has had around 3 games in the prem
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Post by daveypotter on Jul 26, 2015 20:02:57 GMT
Clyde stop talking sense you must not question any of the bizarre reasons we have for weakening our squad /team, after all as some say on here Zonz was not as good as most witnessed last season and can easily be replaced, Wolly is better in defence than Huth , Butland is better than Bego and night is day. We've just got hope he's got a plan up his sleeve mate. how people think slasher sidwell is the heart of our side I'll never know though. We're pinning a lot of faith aswell in a 22 year old who only has had around 3 games in the prem But didn't Hughes come out and say he's a player he wanted before moving to Chelsea?? If that's the case then I'll keep the faith that MVG is the right replacement (albeit for 12 months).
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Post by sportsman on Jul 26, 2015 20:03:26 GMT
I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there. Is this the same Sidwell who showed nothing last season and we should be pinning our hopes on him WTF. Who said that? I was just pointing out why he was bought in the first place.
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Post by petemac on Jul 26, 2015 20:05:02 GMT
Let's just enjoy the ride of the storm. We will either improve or fail to improve. Being relegated? Not yet
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Post by march4 on Jul 26, 2015 20:08:35 GMT
I know what you're saying but the strange thing is when we signed him he finished the previous season as the third best midfielder in the premier league for tackles/interceptions ahead of the likes of Gerrard and all the rest. Not saying he's the answer just putting the fact out there. That's all good mate but nzonzi controlled the whole tempo to our play. His composure on the ball was outstanding. I always said when nzonzi played well so did stoke. I can't recall the stats of how many games he's aged over the past 3 seasons but imo it's his involvement that got us to where we are today. We desperately need to find a player who can control our play not just tackle and intercept RVG is superior to N'Zonzi in every aspect of his game. By the end of August, we will be saying Steven Who? We won't be saying Robert Who!!
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 20:12:21 GMT
Is this the same Sidwell who showed nothing last season and we should be pinning our hopes on him WTF. Who said that? I was just pointing out why he was bought in the first place. To replace Zonz ? if so it does not look to promising.
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Post by happyending on Jul 26, 2015 20:22:14 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it? What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it. We are not a big club we struggle to attract the quality of player needed to replace Zonz, we are weaker than we were at the end of last season so far that is a fact. Too many unknown quantities for it to be a fact, it is your opinion. We are a far bigger club than we were 10 years ago and we haven't got here by crumbling when good players are missing for whatever reason. I dont think there has been a serious bid for any centre midfielder has there? Who aren't we attracting?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 20:41:33 GMT
We are not a big club we struggle to attract the quality of player needed to replace Zonz, we are weaker than we were at the end of last season so far that is a fact. Too many unknown quantities for it to be a fact, it is your opinion. We are a far bigger club than we were 10 years ago and we haven't got here by crumbling when good players are missing for whatever reason. I dont think there has been a serious bid for any centre midfielder has there? Who aren't we attracting? Enough evidence though, lost three of our best players, who of equal known quality have been bought in ? the players we have sold belonged to us were know entities these players are not just missing they have gone permanently that as I said so far is a fact as for not attracting players have you not been on here lately.
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Post by happyending on Jul 26, 2015 21:01:02 GMT
Too many unknown quantities for it to be a fact, it is your opinion. We are a far bigger club than we were 10 years ago and we haven't got here by crumbling when good players are missing for whatever reason. I dont think there has been a serious bid for any centre midfielder has there? Who aren't we attracting? Enough evidence though, lost three of our best players, who of equal known quality have been bought in ? the players we have sold belonged to us were know entities these players are not just missing they have gone permanently that as I said so far is a fact as for not attracting players have you not been on here lately. I have been on a bit.. lots of speculation regarding our dealings but not so much fact, and lots of unnecessary panicking. As I said, too many unknown quantities. I could not say that a different combination of two other midfielders currently at our club would be more or less effective than last year. I can't say Begovic was getting better and I can't say Butland won't improve further. I can't say arnie isn't better than Moses on his day. Good teams don't just swap like for like and stick to a rigid system, they evolve.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 21:09:07 GMT
Enough evidence though, lost three of our best players, who of equal known quality have been bought in ? the players we have sold belonged to us were know entities these players are not just missing they have gone permanently that as I said so far is a fact as for not attracting players have you not been on here lately. I have been on a bit.. lots of speculation regarding our dealings but not so much fact, and lots of unnecessary panicking. As I said, too many unknown quantities. I could not say that a different combination of two other midfielders currently at our club would be more or less effective than last year. I can't say Begovic was getting better and I can't say Butland won't improve further. I can't say arnie isn't better than Moses on his day. Good teams don't just swap like for like and stick to a rigid system, they evolve. you must be on a wind up, pissed or both.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 26, 2015 22:20:52 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it? What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it. I agree with the sentiment of that. Interesting to see if SJW and Johnson are the right side first choice. I could see Walters being the kind of player to create space and offer a bit of protection for Johnson's forays forward. I'm interested, not fearful of what will happen. I see our thrift as a badge of honour. Something to be proud of while we're thumping the big spenders. We need to suss out how to beat the bottom feeders. Don't think that takes money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 22:36:34 GMT
I think some people here need to really calm down. We have got a great team and great management. Do you think fans of a big club would wet their knickers over Nzonzi leaving or maybe signing an unproven foreign winger? It comes across as small time just by giving a shit, it's like crying over a 7/10 woman leaving you. Thats not gonna attract any 8/10s is it? What we are about is every player committed to a plan. A manager who craves glory, attacking football, and who demands improvement from his players - who all love playing for him. A genuine respectable winner whose work here will be admired from the outside. The dream replacement for Pulis. We have youth players who might actually stand a chance of getting in the team one day. We've got the business end of the transfer window to come and we've got Bojan back. Arnies looking good for the left and Walters can easily play on the right to a good level, will compliment Johnson well. Serious central competition for Diouf. Loads of centre mids. Footballing defenders. England u21 captain in goals. We've got enough without spending and are doing absolutely the right thing by not spending for the sake of it. We're not a big team. Arnie's injured..... Walters isn't a winger..... Loads of average centre mids..... The England U-21's who capitulated in a recent tournament..... No we should spend on first team players, we've spent not one pound on anyone who should be in the first team so far this window! I love being cheery!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 26, 2015 22:52:56 GMT
He won't be missed, we have plenty of good midfielders and can change the system depending on the opposition, The management of the club have been expecting Zonzi to leave for the last couple of seasons and are/were prepared for it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 22:54:10 GMT
We've got Sidwell? Wow. I am impressed.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 26, 2015 23:12:35 GMT
You will be
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 23:15:54 GMT
I wish it was just you but there seems to be a lot of people pinning their hopes on Steve Fucking Sidwell.
What is that about? Desperation?
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 23:20:53 GMT
Bought by Pulis but went on to define the passing game of the Hughes era.
I can't see there is any possibility of replacing this colossus with any one single player, not one who might be persuaded to join Stoke City anyway.
I just think we need to invest in another excellent, proven (100+ Prem/Series A/Bundesliga games), good to go, injury free, in their physical prime midfield player and muddle the other midfield parts together.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 26, 2015 23:38:16 GMT
Who is this colossus you are talking about, ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 23:40:29 GMT
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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 26, 2015 23:42:40 GMT
Enough evidence though, lost three of our best players, who of equal known quality have been bought in ? the players we have sold belonged to us were know entities these players are not just missing they have gone permanently that as I said so far is a fact as for not attracting players have you not been on here lately. I have been on a bit.. lots of speculation regarding our dealings but not so much fact, and lots of unnecessary panicking. As I said, too many unknown quantities. I could not say that a different combination of two other midfielders currently at our club would be more or less effective than last year. I can't say Begovic was getting better and I can't say Butland won't improve further. I can't say arnie isn't better than Moses on his day. Good teams don't just swap like for like and stick to a rigid system, they evolve. Well said that man.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 26, 2015 23:45:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 23:52:40 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 23:58:33 GMT
Who is this colossus you are talking about, ? Goodison Park on Boxing day just gone, in the driving snow as we tried to cling on to the narrowest and rarest of victories on one of English footballs great stages, he strode that pitch like a colossus, head and shoulders above everyone else around him on either side both literally and figuratively, and we secured a famous victory which when we are in a darker place at some point in the future we will look back at as one of our most glorious days.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2015 0:04:28 GMT
Bought by Pulis but went on to define the passing game of the Hughes era. I can't see there is any possibility of replacing this colossus with any one single player, not one who might be persuaded to join Stoke City anyway. I just think we need to invest in another excellent, proven (100+ Prem/Series A/Bundesliga games), good to go, injury free, in their physical prime midfield player and muddle the other midfield parts together. I agree, Gods. The only N'Zonzi replacement I could settle for would be Dembele, and I'm not sure he would come here.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 27, 2015 0:17:21 GMT
Who is this colossus you are talking about, ? Goodison Park on Boxing day just gone, in the driving snow as we tried to cling on to the narrowest and rarest of victories on one of English footballs great stages, he strode that pitch like a colossus, head and shoulders above everyone else around him on either side both literally and figuratively, and we secured a famous victory which when we are in a darker place at some point in the future we will look back at as one of our most glorious days. Come on God's, you being going long enough, but to describe beating a poor Everton team as too be looked back as one of our most glorious days is shite and small time. N,Zonzi is a good player but not that good, he could be fustrating especially when he done his slow it down play, where he ruined plenty of attacks, by passing it backwards , side ways or running back towards our goal with the ball, which I am sure he did just to make himself look good and not for the good of the team. And according to the jungle drums he won't be missed by his ex team mates
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 27, 2015 0:20:38 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 27, 2015 0:22:48 GMT
Steven Nzonzi a "colossus"?
He was a solid midfielder. His defensive work was average at best. His goal threat and number assists were very poor for a box-to-box midfielder. He could hold the ball very well. Linking and ball retention were excellent.
A "colossus"?
In three seasons he was only near player of the season once. And that was by default - as Ryan had a period of being under par due to injury, Bego had a very poor season by his standards, and Bojan lost too much due to injury too.
If you want to remember Nzonzi based on the Liverpool game - fine. But the handful of good to excellent games he had doesn't mask the that overall he was a solid midfielder at our level. No more, no less. He certainly wasn't a "colossus". Not by a long chalk.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 0:25:13 GMT
He was the reason we transisted so smoothly from Pulis to Hughes imo. He was our most comfortable player on the ball and replacing that will be hard.
He's been class for 3 seasons but then I've thought that for 3 seasons.....
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jul 27, 2015 0:30:29 GMT
So have I - despite the people on this aboard who kept decrying him for passing square and backwards,not realising that for much of that time he was with us there was no alternative
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