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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 7, 2015 9:46:04 GMT
"I want..." "We should get..." "We should sell Wollscheid"
Do we realise our squad is currently FULL?
Now it is entirely possible that Shawcross could be out for more than 2 months and therefore not take up a squad place so a loan move could be possible until January. However if we are considering anythimg long term, be that for Yarmolenko or an experienced CB then players have to be moved on.
Bardsley surely wont move now that we require support at the back.
So surely this leaves Sidwell and Walters as the only options to sell that would free up a space for a long term CB and a wide player?
I couldn't quite believe earlier that a discussion took place about the sale of Wollscheid only weeks after signing him. Are some Stoke fans dumb?
The fact is, we have enough cover at the back that the manager obviously rates. I personally dont think we will sign anyone to replace Ryan short term, particularly until we know how successul the operation is. I can see more chance of us signing up Wilko as additional cover for another year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 9:48:36 GMT
"I want..." "We should get..." "We should sell Wollscheid" Do we realise our squad is currently FULL? Now it is entirely possible that Shawcross could be out for more than 2 months and therefore not take up a squad place so a loan move could be possible until January. However if we are considering anythimg long term, be that for Yarmolenko or an experienced CB then players have to be moved on. Bardsley surely wont move now that we require support at the back. So surely this leaves Sidwell and Walters as the only options to sell that would free up a space for a long term CB and a wide player? I couldn't quite believe earlier that a discussion took place about the sale of Wollscheid only weeks after signing him. Are some Stoke fans dumb?The fact is, we have enough cover at the back that the manager obviously rates. I personally dont think we will sign anyone to replace Ryan short term, particularly until we know how successul the operation is. I can see more chance of us signing up Wilko as additional cover for another year. Massively! and you forgot they also see everything in black and white, yes and no...always absolutes with NO grey areas allowed.... if you read some of the posts on the transfer thread earlier in the summer youd have seen how some seemed to completely forget that we need a squad of 25 as they were happy to sell anyone and everyone who were "Shit" (the basis of them being shit appears to be that they played badly once or twice so no were no longer good enough). if someone has a bad match they instantly become shit and should be sold and the only players we can bring in are those who are deemed to be good enough to go straight into the starting XI...having a full SQUAD is irrelevant apparently, we just need 11 world class players for the whole season
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 7, 2015 10:51:04 GMT
"I want..." "We should get..." "We should sell Wollscheid" Do we realise our squad is currently FULL? Now it is entirely possible that Shawcross could be out for more than 2 months and therefore not take up a squad place so a loan move could be possible until January. However if we are considering anythimg long term, be that for Yarmolenko or an experienced CB then players have to be moved on. Bardsley surely wont move now that we require support at the back. So surely this leaves Sidwell and Walters as the only options to sell that would free up a space for a long term CB and a wide player? I couldn't quite believe earlier that a discussion took place about the sale of Wollscheid only weeks after signing him. Are some Stoke fans dumb? The fact is, we have enough cover at the back that the manager obviously rates. I personally dont think we will sign anyone to replace Ryan short term, particularly until we know how successul the operation is. I can see more chance of us signing up Wilko as additional cover for another year. Whether some fans are dumb or not is open to conjecture, but you've just suggested bringing Wilko back
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 7, 2015 10:52:35 GMT
I don't know. But a proper Shawcross replacement is more important at the moment by a mile, so needs to take preference. It is glaringly obvious but some can not see the wood for the trees it seems.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 7, 2015 10:55:37 GMT
"I want..." "We should get..." "We should sell Wollscheid" Do we realise our squad is currently FULL? Now it is entirely possible that Shawcross could be out for more than 2 months and therefore not take up a squad place so a loan move could be possible until January. However if we are considering anythimg long term, be that for Yarmolenko or an experienced CB then players have to be moved on. Bardsley surely wont move now that we require support at the back. So surely this leaves Sidwell and Walters as the only options to sell that would free up a space for a long term CB and a wide player? I couldn't quite believe earlier that a discussion took place about the sale of Wollscheid only weeks after signing him. Are some Stoke fans dumb? The fact is, we have enough cover at the back that the manager obviously rates. I personally dont think we will sign anyone to replace Ryan short term, particularly until we know how successul the operation is. I can see more chance of us signing up Wilko as additional cover for another year. Whether some fans are dumb or not is open to conjecture, but you've just suggested bringing Wilko back Wilko started out as a CB, Pulis as he does played him at FB, is he any more of a liability than Wolfy ?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 7, 2015 11:01:13 GMT
I know Wilko started out as a centre back. I recall seeing play there away at S'oton when Walcott scored for them. However, he's done and dusted at Stoke and irrespective of what you think of Wolly, do you really think we'd chuck Wilkinson into central defence, even if, in some parallel universe, he did come back?
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 7, 2015 12:01:40 GMT
I know Wilko started out as a centre back. I recall seeing play there away at S'oton when Walcott scored for them. However, he's done and dusted at Stoke and irrespective of what you think of Wolly, do you really think we'd chuck Wilkinson into central defence, even if, in some parallel universe, he did come back? firstly I didn't suggest anything, I wanted to portray my thoughts on us signing a big cb. IF Wilko was signed ax support again I did not specifically say as cb but as defensive cover. you have basically thrown every word into my mouth...
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 7, 2015 12:32:17 GMT
I know Wilko started out as a centre back. I recall seeing play there away at S'oton when Walcott scored for them. However, he's done and dusted at Stoke and irrespective of what you think of Wolly, do you really think we'd chuck Wilkinson into central defence, even if, in some parallel universe, he did come back? firstly I didn't suggest anything, I wanted to portray my thoughts on us signing a big cb. IF Wilko was signed ax support again I did not specifically say as cb but as defensive cover. you have basically thrown every word into my mouth... My reply wasn't to you mate although I do totally disagree with the idea of bringing Wilko back. Ciao
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 7, 2015 12:39:05 GMT
firstly I didn't suggest anything, I wanted to portray my thoughts on us signing a big cb. IF Wilko was signed ax support again I did not specifically say as cb but as defensive cover. you have basically thrown every word into my mouth... My reply wasn't to you mate although I do totally disagree with the idea of bringing Wilko back. Ciao ok no worries. just to be clear on my part I don't want it to happen either! but jmo it is more likely than us signing someone good enough to replace ryan for however long who then will be benched when ryan returns. who exactly would agree to something like that. how does mh keep the other cb options happy and motivated? I just dont see it
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2015 13:02:46 GMT
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2015 13:03:43 GMT
I don't think you can necessarily trust anything any manager says during a transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 13:05:34 GMT
Whether some fans are dumb or not is open to conjecture, but you've just suggested bringing Wilko back Wilko started out as a CB, Pulis as he does played him at FB, is he any more of a liability than Wolfy ? well given the fact that he's brought Wilko back specifically to get his fitness up so he can find another club then yes! no matter how bad you think Wolly is, a half-fit Wilko who hasn't played centre back for a decade IS of course more of a liability
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 7, 2015 13:12:08 GMT
I don't think you can necessarily trust anything any manager says during a transfer window. no probably not, but you have got to think, if we have 4 suitable options in the position why would we sign another, regardless of how the fans rate each of them? if a player gets injured you use the support that you put in place, surely you don't buy another? it would be highly neglegent to the squad players. when else will they get a chance?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 13:16:20 GMT
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Post by feynmann2 on Aug 7, 2015 13:16:16 GMT
I don't think you can necessarily trust anything any manager says during a transfer window. no probably not, but you have got to think, if we have 4 suitable options in the position why would we sign another, regardless of how the fans rate each of them? if a player gets injured you use the support that you put in place, surely you don't buy another? it would be highly neglegent to the squad players. when else will they get a chance? The only realistic way to make a move would be to go for quality on a permanent move (maybe this guy from Celtic?) and say goodbye to Wilson
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 7, 2015 13:26:08 GMT
I don't think you can necessarily trust anything any manager says during a transfer window. no probably not, but you have got to think, if we have 4 suitable options in the position why would we sign another, regardless of how the fans rate each of them? if a player gets injured you use the support that you put in place, surely you don't buy another? it would be highly neglegent to the squad players. when else will they get a chance? It all rather depends on who those players are doesn't it? We're talking about one of the best players in the team possibly being out for a long time. Would you say the current options we have are 'suitable' to step into his shoes long-term? I wouldn't want Wolly or Cameron there for any period of time and Wilson is prone to switching off at times too.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 7, 2015 15:13:23 GMT
I'm guessing he'll see how the next few games go. If it looks as though we are going to struggle then I guess he will have to bring someone in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 16:12:03 GMT
It is going to be time for the others to step up and do a solid job, if it goes well no issue if not still have time to buy/ loan a new CB.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 7, 2015 16:25:58 GMT
So who would you chose as the CB pairing ?
For me in the absence of Ryan it would be Wilson/Cameron (undecided) and muniesa
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 16:32:46 GMT
Anybody who believes its a 2 month 'outtage' after spinal surgery is either delusional or - pretty stupid
the most important thing is the lads health and well being - he should return when fully fit and ready
not a moment before - like Bojan he will probably need holding back
my take - see you after Xmas Ryan !
all the very best
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 17:22:43 GMT
Do any of the Oatcake medical experts who specialise in back surgery know if Shawcross is guaranteed to be the same player when he does come back from injury?
There were at least three specialists in the field on here the other night
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Post by interestedobserver on Aug 7, 2015 17:51:33 GMT
It's concerning to start the season without Shawcross. But I don't want the club to go into panic mode over the situation and start making a bunch of changes to the roster based on a short-term problem.
I don't think the club will be facing a relegation scare this season and thus the question (IMO) is whether LMH and his team make moves focused on short-term gaps due to injury or long-term squad composition. Overall, I think the club has done good business this summer given what they faced in terms of players looking for moves. So I'm glad they don't seem of the mind to rework the roster over Ryan's injury.
In a perfect world we could have held onto Huth, but at a cost of 3.5 million for one year (plus the roster spot) I can't really argue with the decision to move him -- especially if he wanted regular first team football.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 7, 2015 17:54:10 GMT
What's all this "roster" bollocks?
It's a squad, a squad of footballers to play football.
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Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2015 18:21:04 GMT
What do you expect him to say?
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 18:27:29 GMT
What do you expect him to say? .... but Ryan is a mainstay, club captain, leader and fine defender, a player that has been integral to the success Stoke City F.C have achieved in the establishment, consecutive league finish improvements, they are big boots to fill and if we can identify the right player we might see some movement. I don't think that's an insult to any of his other players, as they clearly arn't of the same standing.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 18:57:37 GMT
to me that's the sound of a manager prepared to sit it out until Shawcross returns
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Post by themistocles on Aug 7, 2015 18:59:11 GMT
to me that's the sound of a manager prepared to sit it out until Shawcross returns Or being forced too...
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 7, 2015 19:04:08 GMT
To me it sounds like we don't want to make a big deal about it as clubs will see we are desperate and push price up of defenders we try to buy. Make no mistake he won't be back in 2 months, Xmas at the best
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 7, 2015 19:05:22 GMT
to me that's the sound of a manager prepared to sit it out until Shawcross returns Or being forced too... I can't see the Coates' underestimating the importance of Shawcross myself, I think hughes would be backed with additional funds if we showed them a player head and shoulders above the 'cover', Shawcross could well be out until the new year, if we start to struggle defensively it could be a long season. central defence is a massive position, not least a club captain and your best defender
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Post by jeycov on Aug 7, 2015 19:09:31 GMT
To me it sounds like we don't want to make a big deal about it as clubs will see we are desperate and push price up of defenders we try to buy. Make no mistake he won't be back in 2 months, Xmas at the best I agree with this, it may be best to leave him out of our 25 until Christmas . What's more this won't be such a surprise for MH and co and plans may be underway to get a loan IF MH thinks we need one
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