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Post by Block 22 on Aug 2, 2015 21:47:14 GMT
I find it pretty difficult to believe too, surely you can't struggle to walk but play 60 minutes of football. But I'm no doctor I don't know how an injury like that would affect someone.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 2, 2015 21:47:58 GMT
This a concern but we coped in plenty of games last season without him so I think everyone should stop shitting themselves
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2015 21:48:58 GMT
why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. I'm pretty sure the club via their private health care arrangements wouldn't baulk at paying any fee if it got this resolved
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 21:52:02 GMT
Tbh id go muni + wilson, although not great height. Wollscheid is fucking shit £3 million of pure shit WTF are the club doing, Cock or Nein Cock or just bollocks ?
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 2, 2015 21:53:03 GMT
why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. I'm pretty sure the club via their private health care arrangements wouldn't baulk at paying any fee if it got this resolved What I was told was pretty murky, I don't know if they meant the club are refusing to pay for an operation because it's too risky.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 21:54:11 GMT
why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. I'm pretty sure the club via their private health care arrangements wouldn't baulk at paying any fee if it got this resolved You would hope so, surley we could have sorted it out with the £3mill we have spunked away on wolfy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2015 21:55:14 GMT
If this is the kind of thing that's been doing the internet rounds over the last 24 hours, then it's worth noting that Mrs Shawcross tweeted last night that some of the things she'd read yesterday were ridiculous. She may of course be talking about something completely different than Ryan's injury. Yeah. If it was that serious then something would have been done over the summer. Also, I highly doubt the club would give Wilkinson a 6 month deal to get over his injury but refuse to help it's club captain and modern day icon. I don't think it's that serious but he was clearly struggling when he came back in March and they've obviously known since Singapore that he wasn't in a good way. The question then is how long before that did we know he was really struggling with it?
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 2, 2015 22:01:08 GMT
I'm pretty sure the club via their private health care arrangements wouldn't baulk at paying any fee if it got this resolved You would hope so, surley we could have sorted it out with the £3mill we have spunked away on wolfy. Wollscheid needs to get some bollox and charge in for aerials and crosses coming in instead of trying to be a midfielder... He needs to go to Huth tough ass training camp... The ball playing is there, its the physicality and disregard for your body he needs.
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Post by sage on Aug 2, 2015 22:05:31 GMT
Not to cause further concern.. For what it's worth this is what I'm told. I have no reason to post bullshit and I'm not one for causing anymore negativity than what is on this board already.. Ryan has been struggling significantly more than the management team have let on. He's been struggling with every day tasks like getting up the stairs, picking up his children and on some days even walking is causing excruciating pain. The club aren't willing to pay for treatment of the injury and it could potentially be career threatening. Don't know anymore about the situation or why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. Not shooting the messenger but that has to be rubbish. If he could barely walk we wouldn't have even seen a glimpse of him in pre-season, and the idea the club wouldn't pay for the vital treatment of a vital player is absolutely laughable.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 2, 2015 22:12:15 GMT
You would hope so, surley we could have sorted it out with the £3mill we have spunked away on wolfy. Wollscheid needs to get some bollox and charge in for aerials and crosses coming in instead of trying to be a midfielder... He needs to go to Huth tough ass training camp... The ball playing is there, its the physicality and disregard for your body he needs. Not sure you can teach that. You've either got it or you haven't.
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Post by 2004 on Aug 2, 2015 22:14:01 GMT
Shit
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2015 22:24:39 GMT
Not to cause further concern.. For what it's worth this is what I'm told. I have no reason to post bullshit and I'm not one for causing anymore negativity than what is on this board already.. Ryan has been struggling significantly more than the management team have let on. He's been struggling with every day tasks like getting up the stairs, picking up his children and on some days even walking is causing excruciating pain. The club aren't willing to pay for treatment of the injury and it could potentially be career threatening. Don't know anymore about the situation or why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. Absolute nonsense.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 22:27:17 GMT
Wollscheid needs to get some bollox and charge in for aerials and crosses coming in instead of trying to be a midfielder... He needs to go to Huth tough ass training camp... The ball playing is there, its the physicality and disregard for your body he needs. Not sure you can teach that. You've either got it or you haven't. Correct Jamo we have sold a lion and replaced him with a pussy, a cowardly defender is of no use to us with Ryan side lined, more proof if needed today that he should not be anywhere near our first team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 23:09:15 GMT
I don't think we are in dire straights when it comes to centre halves, after all I thought our performance at home against Everton was one of our best defensively and I think that consisted of Wilson and Cameron believe it or not! Wollschied even had a few MOTM performances for us (although it's hard not to have some doubts about him). The point I'm trying to display there is that we will make do without Ryan in the short term.
The defence will be a source of much frustration and the odd sloppy goal without Ryan however, I do not doubt that. I guess the issue the club has is that we can't spend the big bucks on a new centre half just for Ryan to turn around fit and this new signing suddenly has nowhere to play, for now I'd honestly make do with what we have until it becomes clear as to whether Ryan will need to be filled in for temporarily or, god help us, he has to be replaced.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 2, 2015 23:16:24 GMT
Without Ryan we lose the physical dominance and leadership.
We needed a CB to partner him when he is fit. We might need someone like Samba to fill the gap and (hopefully) be the partner when Ryan returns.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 3, 2015 2:17:23 GMT
I'm pretty sure the club via their private health care arrangements wouldn't baulk at paying any fee if it got this resolved What I was told was pretty murky, I don't know if they meant the club are refusing to pay for an operation because it's too risky. Back surgery is ALWAYS RISKY and rehab is very lengthy. So generally a last resort.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 3, 2015 3:20:18 GMT
Well this thread is making my tummy hurt, but the notion that the club would be unwilling to pay a few thousand quid for its captain's medical treatment has given me a bit of a laugh at least.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 3, 2015 5:19:45 GMT
People seriously wanting rid of Wollscheid.. fucking pathetic.
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Post by rawli on Aug 3, 2015 5:40:22 GMT
Not to cause further concern.. For what it's worth this is what I'm told. I have no reason to post bullshit and I'm not one for causing anymore negativity than what is on this board already.. Ryan has been struggling significantly more than the management team have let on. He's been struggling with every day tasks like getting up the stairs, picking up his children and on some days even walking is causing excruciating pain. The club aren't willing to pay for treatment of the injury and it could potentially be career threatening. Don't know anymore about the situation or why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. Not shooting the messenger but that has to be rubbish. If he could barely walk we wouldn't have even seen a glimpse of him in pre-season, and the idea the club wouldn't pay for the vital treatment of a vital player is absolutely laughable. Agree. We are talking about multi million pound assets here. The idea the club would try to penny pinch is beyond stupid. 'Ryan, I know you can't walk. Thing is we'd rather wait 8 months for an appointment to come up on the NHS than get it sorted. In the meantime we don't mind paying you £50k a week to sit on your arse while you wait.'
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2015 6:07:10 GMT
People seriously wanting rid of Wollscheid.. fucking pathetic. People never wanted him in the first place and yes he is fucking pathetic.
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Post by mosquito on Aug 3, 2015 6:35:35 GMT
Not shooting the messenger but that has to be rubbish. If he could barely walk we wouldn't have even seen a glimpse of him in pre-season, and the idea the club wouldn't pay for the vital treatment of a vital player is absolutely laughable. Agree. We are talking about multi million pound assets here. The idea the club would try to penny pinch is beyond stupid. 'Ryan, I know you can't walk. Thing is we'd rather wait 8 months for an appointment to come up on the NHS than get it sorted. In the meantime we don't mind paying you £50k a week to sit on your arse while you wait.' A bit strange, when the same club, re-signs Wilko to treat him and get him back fit, because he has been a good servant to the club.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Aug 3, 2015 6:35:30 GMT
People seriously wanting rid of Wollscheid.. fucking pathetic. Hes useless mate!!
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Post by teskofc on Aug 3, 2015 6:35:42 GMT
Not shooting the messenger but that has to be rubbish. If he could barely walk we wouldn't have even seen a glimpse of him in pre-season, and the idea the club wouldn't pay for the vital treatment of a vital player is absolutely laughable. Agree. We are talking about multi million pound assets here. The idea the club would try to penny pinch is beyond stupid. 'Ryan, I know you can't walk. Thing is we'd rather wait 8 months for an appointment to come up on the NHS than get it sorted. In the meantime we don't mind paying you £50k a week to sit on your arse while you wait.' Precisely - and if push came to shove I think he could use a weeks wages to fund the treatment himself !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 6:37:24 GMT
Disc ops can be done privately from 6 to 10k, by Surgeons who are at the top of their game.
I don't think finance is an issue.
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Post by happychappy on Aug 3, 2015 7:39:02 GMT
We need to take a big step back here and look at it from the angle of the club.
Back injuries are a complicated matter. If I'm right in saying surgery is a last port of call and if it happens that MIGHT be the last of the Ryan we know.
So I can understand the wait and assessment of his injuries and understand why he hasn't brought in a player to play in his role. We got rid of Huth and replaced him with Wolly. Cheaper option with potential. No argument's here. Now a replacement for Ryan is much more complicated. We can't in reality bring in a new big money defender who only wants/capable of being first team. Shawcross comes back in a few months and what do we do with him? A loan however could be an option but for who exactly?
Mark Hughes will have a contigency plan in place and I think January will be the time in which we buy one. If Wolly or whoever isn't up to scratch or Shawcross isn't likely to be fit. Once someone is brought in you'd have to think that's it for Ryan because again how are we going to fit these players in? Keep them happy etc.
It's a huge commitment from us to buy someone. We have options. Muni, Wolly, Cameron, Wilson, Tex (however I'd like him not to be an option). He will definitely play the long game with this one before making the decision.
Wolly has played well in a few games and wobbled a bit in others. He's a good player it can be seen. He's had a full pre season with us now. More understanding with the lads around him. He won't be as bad as some of you think. We had Danny fucking Collins at the back not so long ago so in my eyes it ain't that bad.
If we needed a star center back I'm who would you choose? I personally haven't a clue.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 3, 2015 10:14:27 GMT
As usual the Advertiser comes through with the FACTS. STOKE City star Ryan Shawcross will see a specialist on Tuesday as he and the team weigh up whether he needs to have an operation on his back. Mark Hughes said: "I won't speculate yet. We will wait and see what the specialist says.
"We've been managing the injury for a while now and it's been fine doing that but it's got a point when Ryan wasn't comfortable with it. We'll get it scanned again to make sure nothing has developed.
"If it has then obviously decisions have to be made.
"We are at that point now when we have to weigh up whether we can manage it through a long, hard Premier League season or do we address it now and get him back quickly."
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2015 10:43:45 GMT
Not to cause further concern.. For what it's worth this is what I'm told. I have no reason to post bullshit and I'm not one for causing anymore negativity than what is on this board already.. Ryan has been struggling significantly more than the management team have let on. He's been struggling with every day tasks like getting up the stairs, picking up his children and on some days even walking is causing excruciating pain. The club aren't willing to pay for treatment of the injury and it could potentially be career threatening. Don't know anymore about the situation or why the club aren't willing to pay for treatment. Now that is complete and utter bullshit. I don't doubt its what you've been told or heard but I do wonder why you're stupid enough to a) believe it and b) post it to show everyone how naive you are. If Ryan had been struggling with such tasks its unlikely he'd have travelled to Germany and he definitely wouldn't have gone to Singapore.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2015 10:47:38 GMT
I don't think we are in dire straights when it comes to centre halves, after all I thought our performance at home against Everton was one of our best defensively and I think that consisted of Wilson and Cameron believe it or not! Wollschied even had a few MOTM performances for us (although it's hard not to have some doubts about him). The point I'm trying to display there is that we will make do without Ryan in the short term. The defence will be a source of much frustration and the odd sloppy goal without Ryan however, I do not doubt that. I guess the issue the club has is that we can't spend the big bucks on a new centre half just for Ryan to turn around fit and this new signing suddenly has nowhere to play, for now I'd honestly make do with what we have until it becomes clear as to whether Ryan will need to be filled in for temporarily or, god help us, he has to be replaced. Short term is fine and we'll cope admirably I'm sure. Its longer term that's the problem. If Ryan were to miss a significant chunk of the season none of the others, for different reasons, are the reliable presence we need. Id go with Wilson/muniesa v Liverpool if we are to assume Ryan will be missing.
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 3, 2015 11:03:50 GMT
People seriously wanting rid of Wollscheid.. fucking pathetic. Hes useless mate!! He put some very good performances last season, as many good one's than bad one's and when you look that he moved from another country and chucked in the deep end playing and not having time to settle in he did well
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 3, 2015 11:05:45 GMT
I don't think we are in dire straights when it comes to centre halves, after all I thought our performance at home against Everton was one of our best defensively and I think that consisted of Wilson and Cameron believe it or not! Wollschied even had a few MOTM performances for us (although it's hard not to have some doubts about him). The point I'm trying to display there is that we will make do without Ryan in the short term. The defence will be a source of much frustration and the odd sloppy goal without Ryan however, I do not doubt that. I guess the issue the club has is that we can't spend the big bucks on a new centre half just for Ryan to turn around fit and this new signing suddenly has nowhere to play, for now I'd honestly make do with what we have until it becomes clear as to whether Ryan will need to be filled in for temporarily or, god help us, he has to be replaced. Short term is fine and we'll cope admirably I'm sure. Its longer term that's the problem. If Ryan were to miss a significant chunk of the season none of the others, for different reasons, are the reliable presence we need. Id go with Wilson/muniesa v Liverpool if we are to assume Ryan will be missing. Benteke must be rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect
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