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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 13, 2015 9:31:35 GMT
The reports on van Ginkel are that he can play as a box-to-box midfielder but also as a defensive holding midfielder. (Something that Nzonzi was not really able to do without Glenn around).
So Im wondering if this gives us a better more flexible option for home & away games next season:
Home midfield:
van Ginkel - Adam
Bojan
Away midfield:
van Ginkel - Whelan
Bojan
so hes not a complete like-for-like change and could actually serve us better given how Adam is crucial to us at home but somewhat anonymous in away games.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 13, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
All seems fine in theory, but in practice changing your midfield every other in the way you suggest isn't ideal, particularly if you're Adam or Whelan.
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Post by stokie1997 on Jul 13, 2015 11:48:32 GMT
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Van ginkel Whelan
Bojan
Diouf Joselu Arnie
(Without any new signings in)
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 13, 2015 11:51:20 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Van ginkel Whelan Bojan Diouf Joselu Arnie (Without any new signings in) I would be happy with that side! We just need a winger (or two) and we'll be looking good! |
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Post by usapotter on Jul 13, 2015 11:57:29 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Van ginkel Whelan Bojan Diouf Joselu Arnie (Without any new signings in) I don't ever want to see Diouf outside again. He plays too well in the middle. He showed it at the end of the year |
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Post by stokie1997 on Jul 13, 2015 12:02:19 GMT
(Without any new signings in)[/quote]I don't ever want to see Diouf outside again. He plays too well in the middle. He showed it at the end of the year[/quote]
I agree. But without any new signings he's probably our best option out wide. If Diouf has a full season through the middle he could easily get 15+. I just cant see what wide players will join us, as it seems Moses doesn't want to
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 13, 2015 12:19:44 GMT
If Diouf plays up front then where does that leave Joselu?
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Post by Bombus on Jul 13, 2015 12:22:25 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Van ginkel Whelan Bojan Diouf Joselu Arnie (Without any new signings in) I would be happy with that side! We just need a winger (or two) and we'll be looking good! A winger or two and someone to compete with Whelan I'd say - or is that the job of Sidwell and Cameron? Not enough in my view. |
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Post by Bombus on Jul 13, 2015 12:23:58 GMT
Butland
Johnson
Shawcross
Muniesa
Pieters
Whelan?
Van Ginkel
NEW WINGER?
Bojan
Arnautovic?
Diouf/Joselu?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 13, 2015 12:41:36 GMT
I would be happy with that side! We just need a winger (or two) and we'll be looking good! A winger or two and someone to compete with Whelan I'd say - or is that the job of Sidwell and Cameron? Not enough in my view. I'll be interested to see exactly what role Cameron will play this year. The signing of Johnson would suggest that the right back slot is going to be take (also taking into account Bardsley). So does that mean Cameron will now push into midfield? I can't see where Sidwell will feature at all in all honesty. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 13, 2015 12:46:22 GMT
The further Sidwell is from our first-team the better in my opinion.
I think Adam would be a bit pissed to not start the season in the first 11 as well. Hes gotta start at home against Liverpool surely??
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2015 12:48:45 GMT
It's all about having good options all over the pitch to take into account the opposition,form,injuries,suspensions,match conditions.
MVG looks versaitle wo we may see him in a few roles although so far the noises have been about box-to box.
At the back it's generally best to have the same back 4 + keeper everyweek and you can probably throw in the defensive midfielder into that mix as well
Otherwise there will be,and should be,regular changes to our line up.
Diouf or Joselu (or Crouch) down the middle
Well,all three of course just not the same time.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2015 12:50:29 GMT
The further Sidwell is from our first-team the better in my opinion. I think Adam would be a bit pissed to not start the season in the first 11 as well. Hes gotta start at home against Liverpool surely?? Assuming Bojan will be eased c into things off the bench for the first few games then yes Adam v Liverpool Can we play both of them? In some games,especailly at home,yes of course. squad game |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 13, 2015 12:51:46 GMT
The further Sidwell is from our first-team the better in my opinion. I think Adam would be a bit pissed to not start the season in the first 11 as well. Hes gotta start at home against Liverpool surely?? If you look at the players who are competing for a starting place in the midfield three it's going to be interesting!: Adam Whelan MVG Ireland Bojan Sidwell Cameron Shenton And that's assuming no one else comes in to replace N'Zonzi |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 13, 2015 12:58:37 GMT
Surely the leak of Leeds interest in Sidwell is not coincidental? Now Cameron is freed from being a right back option, you'd imagine he is going to add to the central midfielders in the squad. Sidwell will remain 4/5th choice in there, so does he sit on the bench taking his cash or move for regular first team football? I'd prefer the latter and move the likes of Shenton nearer to the first team squad.
I know we have the option of a 25 man squad, but it is tough on players 23, 24 and 25 in that squad. For a club our size, better to have 21, 22 players, and then bolster it with good under-21s like Moha, Telford, Shenton, Ngoy and Molina.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 13, 2015 13:10:19 GMT
If Diouf plays up front then where does that leave Joselu? I've wondered about this on another thread. Fitting in Bojan is tricky, too. I am coming to the conclusion that we will not have orthodox wingers and will play a midfield three with Whekan (whenever he's left out it doesn't work), Charlie (crucial in our good form at the end of last season), and van Ginkel (the energy to get forward that we've been missing?). Then three forwards who will interchange. |
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Post by Bombus on Jul 13, 2015 13:16:18 GMT
A winger or two and someone to compete with Whelan I'd say - or is that the job of Sidwell and Cameron? Not enough in my view. I'll be interested to see exactly what role Cameron will play this year. The signing of Johnson would suggest that the right back slot is going to be take (also taking into account Bardsley). So does that mean Cameron will now push into midfield? I can't see where Sidwell will feature at all in all honesty. I agree, mate. Interesting to say the least. Surely he spoke with Sparky before signing his new contract? What role is he going to play? |
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Post by Bombus on Jul 13, 2015 13:18:08 GMT
If Diouf plays up front then where does that leave Joselu? I've wondered about this on another thread. Fitting in Bojan is tricky, too. I am coming to the conclusion that we will not have orthodox wingers and will play a midfield three with Whekan (whenever he's left out it doesn't work), Charlie (crucial in our good form at the end of last season), and van Ginkel (the energy to get forward that we've been missing?). Then three forwards who will interchange. Surely not? |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 13, 2015 13:18:25 GMT
I'll be interested to see exactly what role Cameron will play this year. The signing of Johnson would suggest that the right back slot is going to be take (also taking into account Bardsley). So does that mean Cameron will now push into midfield? I can't see where Sidwell will feature at all in all honesty. I agree, mate. Interesting to say the least. Surely he spoke with Sparky before signing his new contract? What role is he going to play? MH obviously rates Cameron enough to hand him a new contract but it certainly isn't clear where he will play. Maybe Hughes just views him as a utility player that can fill in when needs (fullback, centrehalf, midfielder). The other possibility is that Johnson will compete for left back(?) |
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Post by Bombus on Jul 13, 2015 13:28:21 GMT
I agree, mate. Interesting to say the least. Surely he spoke with Sparky before signing his new contract? What role is he going to play? MH obviously rates Cameron enough to hand him a new contract but it certainly isn't clear where he will play. Maybe Hughes just views him as a utility player that can fill in when needs (fullback, centrehalf, midfielder). The other possibility is that Johnson will compete for left back(?) Yes, that is probably the case, mate. Interesting thought regarding Johnson, but, surely not? |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 13, 2015 13:37:10 GMT
I'm more worried about Johnson being an option as a temporary right winger!  |
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Post by redwhite on Jul 13, 2015 13:40:14 GMT
Butland Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Van ginkel Whelan Bojan Diouf Joselu Arnie (Without any new signings in) Diouf plays brilliantly up front and terribly on the wing because he isn't a winger. It should be a battle between him and Joselu for the central role unless we're changing formations. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 13, 2015 13:54:52 GMT
From what I can see, Joselu plays centrally as opposed to a wide forward. I guess there is the possibility of some variation of 4-4-2 but Hughes has never favoured this. Diouf can operate wide during a game but not exclusively so. Perhaps Joselu can too?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 13, 2015 16:03:19 GMT
I like the fact Van Ginkel is a big lad. We hopefully won't miss that side of N'Zonzi's game.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 13, 2015 16:05:09 GMT
If Diouf plays up front then where does that leave Joselu? The bench |
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Post by metalhead on Jul 13, 2015 16:08:14 GMT
If Diouf plays up front then where does that leave Joselu? The bench I fully believe we'll start with Joselu. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 13, 2015 16:17:02 GMT
I'll be interested to see exactly what role Cameron will play this year. The signing of Johnson would suggest that the right back slot is going to be take (also taking into account Bardsley). So does that mean Cameron will now push into midfield? I can't see where Sidwell will feature at all in all honesty. I agree, mate. Interesting to say the least. Surely he spoke with Sparky before signing his new contract? What role is he going to play? It doesn't work with Bojan out wide , that's been his problem for a couple of years before he joined us |
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jul 13, 2015 16:56:36 GMT
Only an idiot would suggest to play Bojan out wide after he showed us his preferred position performances
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Post by Stokeontrent on Jul 13, 2015 16:59:33 GMT
Ive never understood this team for home games team for a way, how can any player pick up any momentum/form. The idea is the exact reason why none of you will ever be football managers, jesus christ. Also we have gone past the pulis days and actually play football no matter home or away
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Post by southwalesstokie on Jul 13, 2015 17:21:09 GMT
Bold statement but I think that Van Ginkel will be our best player next season and maybe the best that we've had since we've been in the Prem. This lad is seriously highly rated and talented!
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