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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:04:56 GMT
I think Butland will be sold for a fuck load of money in 2 years at the latest. We need to blood someone to fill in when Butland is injured or for he cups. In the long run that is Haugaard. To rely solely on Butland would be idiocy. Well with an attitude like that, we may as well just drop Imbula Shaqiri and co now so their reserves can get a look in before we inevitably sell them at some point. I was actually going to suggest dropping Butland for Haugaard before the injury! Shenton should definitely be on the bench instead of Ireland and Adam.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:06:04 GMT
It will be. We won't get into Europe anyway. And Arnie imo left in about November. I'd love the last one to be proven wrong because he's out beat attacker. Obviously I'd love for us to get in Europe too but I really do think that ship sailed. 5 points off fourth, notoriously strong finishers. Are you Benjamin Biscuit in your spare time? Just can't see us finishing above a few of the sides close to us. 9th will be a good achievement.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:06:58 GMT
Well with an attitude like that, we may as well just drop Imbula Shaqiri and co now so their reserves can get a look in before we inevitably sell them at some point. I was actually going to suggest dropping Butland for Haugaard before the injury! Shenton should definitely be on the bench instead of Ireland and Adam. He should be getting first team football on loan like the rest of our young players with potential.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:07:55 GMT
5 points off fourth, notoriously strong finishers. Are you Benjamin Biscuit in your spare time? Just can't see us finishing above a few of the sides close to us. 9th will be a good achievement. Thankfully your crystal ball isn't always on point, how's Vardy getting on?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:10:04 GMT
I was actually going to suggest dropping Butland for Haugaard before the injury! Shenton should definitely be on the bench instead of Ireland and Adam. He should be getting first team football on loan like the rest of our young players with potential. Who? We need to be giving our best young talents some game or at least bench time now. With Butlands injury this is a great chance for Haugaard. If he doesn't play it sends a hell of a message to the young inexperienced players in our squad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:10:35 GMT
Just can't see us finishing above a few of the sides close to us. 9th will be a good achievement. Thankfully your crystal ball isn't always on point, how's Vardy getting on? He was shit last night They all were.
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Post by liathroid on Mar 30, 2016 20:11:11 GMT
Haugaard should play ,Given is only coming back from injury and won't be ready and saying that I hope he doesn't play at the Euro's for us .At the 2012 Euros he wasn't fit and played shit then retired ,now wants to make up for that fuck up and after this years he will retire again and make a shit of Randolph, who will be starting the World Cup.qualifier s
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:15:03 GMT
He should be getting first team football on loan like the rest of our young players with potential. Who? We need to be giving our best young talents some game or at least bench time now. With Butlands injury this is a great chance for Haugaard. If he doesn't play it sends a hell of a message to the young inexperienced players in our squad. So sitting kids on the bench will help their development in what way? We are in the hunt for europe whether you like it or not, picking Haugaard when Shawcross is struggling will show our top stars that we aren't that committed to qualifying for european competitions...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:19:56 GMT
Who? We need to be giving our best young talents some game or at least bench time now. With Butlands injury this is a great chance for Haugaard. If he doesn't play it sends a hell of a message to the young inexperienced players in our squad. So sitting kids on the bench will help their development in what way? We are in the hunt for europe whether you like it or not, picking Haugaard when Shawcross is struggling will show our top stars that we aren't that committed to qualifying for european competitions... They get a chance to come on and play? They feel the environment, they see what goes on from a different perspective on a match day and learn from that?? Loads! And picking a goalkeeper who hasn't been good enough really for the Premier League for a few seasons now who has been in training for a few weeks and when he's actually played for us has looked rusty as fuck sends out what message?
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 30, 2016 20:21:13 GMT
I want to see haugaard play too. Very best wishes to butland. But for haugaard it's sink or swim time now. If we want to attract the best young players from around Europe then the message we need to send out is when the opportunity arises we will give them their chance. Very best wishes to haugaard too... Hope he comes in and has a great game.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:25:00 GMT
So sitting kids on the bench will help their development in what way? We are in the hunt for europe whether you like it or not, picking Haugaard when Shawcross is struggling will show our top stars that we aren't that committed to qualifying for european competitions... They get a chance to come on and play? They feel the environment, they see what goes on from a different perspective on a match day and learn from that?? Loads! And picking a goalkeeper who hasn't been good enough really for the Premier League for a few seasons now who has been in training for a few weeks and when he's actually played for us has looked rusty as fuck sends out what message? They'd get far more from playing on loan and actually completing 90 minutes, they're working with the squad throughout the season so sitting on a nice padded seat and getting 5-10 minutes won't help. So Given isn't good enough but a bloke who's played 2 competitive games in England should be thrown in at the business end of the season with the defence already struggling with injuries. Madness
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:27:31 GMT
I want to see haugaard play too. Very best wishes to butland. But for haugaard it's sink or swim time now. If we want to attract the best young players from around Europe then the message we need to send out is when the opportunity arises we will give them their chance. Very best wishes to haugaard too... Hope he comes in and has a great game. Well surely by playing Butland who is our youngest keeper that's enough to tempt young players here? Shall we try to entice older stars like Afellay by dropping them so our kids get to have a kick about instead of having a run at europe?
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 30, 2016 20:28:26 GMT
I couldn't give a flying sh*t what O'Neil or, indeed, what any other international manager wanted. Hughes needs to do what's right and best for Stoke. For me, he should go with the Haugaard, as I would be very suspicious of Given's fitness and fragility after the way he got injured and how long it's taken him to recover. Haugaard has to be given an opportunity to prove himself in the Prem, otherwise what was the point in signing him. Suspicious Do you think the Stoke medical team are stupid ? That seems to be the consensus of a number of posters on here.Totally unfounded,groundless and irrational,but there you go.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:29:40 GMT
They get a chance to come on and play? They feel the environment, they see what goes on from a different perspective on a match day and learn from that?? Loads! And picking a goalkeeper who hasn't been good enough really for the Premier League for a few seasons now who has been in training for a few weeks and when he's actually played for us has looked rusty as fuck sends out what message? They'd get far more from playing on loan and actually completing 90 minutes, they're working with the squad throughout the season so sitting on a nice padded seat and getting 5-10 minutes won't help. So Given isn't good enough but a bloke who's played 2 competitive games in England should be thrown in at the business end of the season with the defence already struggling with injuries. Madness I agree re the loan but they're not and its too late. But to think they'd learn nothing by being on the bench is a bit daft! It also serves as an inspiration for every kid in the academy. I have no idea if Haugaard is, that's why he needs the games! He's been on the bench for half of the season in readiness to do exactly what you've said, so lets throw him in and see if he's good enough.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:36:57 GMT
They'd get far more from playing on loan and actually completing 90 minutes, they're working with the squad throughout the season so sitting on a nice padded seat and getting 5-10 minutes won't help. So Given isn't good enough but a bloke who's played 2 competitive games in England should be thrown in at the business end of the season with the defence already struggling with injuries. Madness I agree re the loan but they're not and its too late. But to think they'd learn nothing by being on the bench is a bit daft! It also serves as an inspiration for every kid in the academy. I have no idea if Haugaard is, that's why he needs the games! He's been on the bench for half of the season in readiness to do exactly what you've said, so lets throw him in and see if he's good enough. That's the problem with this board, assuming youngsters are the solution. There's a reason TP and MH didn't/don't play them and that's because in their professional opinion they aren't ready. Some wanted to see Brek Shea thrown in. Nobody knows on here if I'm ready, can I get a game? Haugaard is our third choice keeper and has done ok when called upon, however our skipper and defensive rock is struggling and we're a couple of points off european football. Rusty or not Given's old head will help marshal Wolly and co through the next seven games better than our Haugaard who has played 2 competitive games in this country.
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 30, 2016 20:38:59 GMT
Play Jakob. Nothing to lose
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:40:01 GMT
I agree re the loan but they're not and its too late. But to think they'd learn nothing by being on the bench is a bit daft! It also serves as an inspiration for every kid in the academy. I have no idea if Haugaard is, that's why he needs the games! He's been on the bench for half of the season in readiness to do exactly what you've said, so lets throw him in and see if he's good enough. That's the problem with this board, assuming youngsters are the solution. There's a reason TP and MH didn't/don't play them and that's because in their professional opinion they aren't ready. Some wanted to see Brek Shea thrown in. Nobody knows on here if I'm ready, can I get a game? Haugaard is our third choice keeper and has done ok when called upon, however our skipper and defensive rock is struggling and we're a couple of points off european football. Rusty or not Given's old head will help marshal Wolly and co through the next seven games better than our Haugaard who has played 2 competitive games in this country. Both are risk averse when it comes to playing youngsters and 2 of the worst in the Premier League for it. It's nothing to be proud of. I don't think that's a given (see what I did there) by any stretch. A slow immobile rusty keeper behind that back 4 could create mayhem!
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:44:09 GMT
That's the problem with this board, assuming youngsters are the solution. There's a reason TP and MH didn't/don't play them and that's because in their professional opinion they aren't ready. Some wanted to see Brek Shea thrown in. Nobody knows on here if I'm ready, can I get a game? Haugaard is our third choice keeper and has done ok when called upon, however our skipper and defensive rock is struggling and we're a couple of points off european football. Rusty or not Given's old head will help marshal Wolly and co through the next seven games better than our Haugaard who has played 2 competitive games in this country. Both are risk averse when it comes to playing youngsters and 2 of the worst in the Premier League for it. It's nothing to be proud of. I don't think that's a given (see what I did there) by any stretch. A slow immobile rusty keeper behind that back 4 could create mayhem! We're not on about Neville Southall here, we're on about a proven PL keeper who's desperate to prove himself for Stoke to go and represent his country in the Euro's for one final time. Throwing Haugaard in here could either make him or break him, if it was November I'd be inclined to go with him but not with Shawcross struggling and European football so close.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 30, 2016 20:45:26 GMT
Play Jakob. Nothing to lose Fuck it, Shenton, Moha and Telford too. We can all do the warm-ups in flip-flops too. Nothing to lose my arse
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 20:49:16 GMT
Both are risk averse when it comes to playing youngsters and 2 of the worst in the Premier League for it. It's nothing to be proud of. I don't think that's a given (see what I did there) by any stretch. A slow immobile rusty keeper behind that back 4 could create mayhem! We're not on about Neville Southall here, we're on about a proven PL keeper who's desperate to prove himself for Stoke to go and represent his country in the Euro's for one final time. Throwing Haugaard in here could either make him or break him, if it was November I'd be inclined to go with him but not with Shawcross struggling and European football so close. In the few games he played for us before his injury he showed all of the above traits. Haugaard's point to prove is a much bigger one. I'm in the nothing to play for camp so want the young lad to play. Sorry.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Mar 30, 2016 21:03:15 GMT
What I hate about this messageboard are the extreme reactions as if one's own opinion can only be the indisputable truth. There is no right answer to whether it is the right thing to play Given or Haugaard until the evidence is seen at the end of the season. Yes, Haugaard has youth on his side and can deliver potentially longer term value for the club but the Management team has to be largely focused on the short term and generating the results to achieve a record points tally. If they believe that Given is the right choice, then they have earned the right based on their fantastic achievements so far to make that call. And if it proves to be the wrong one, then there are enough games left to change things.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 30, 2016 21:08:29 GMT
We're not on about Neville Southall here, we're on about a proven PL keeper who's desperate to prove himself for Stoke to go and represent his country in the Euro's for one final time. Throwing Haugaard in here could either make him or break him, if it was November I'd be inclined to go with him but not with Shawcross struggling and European football so close. In the few games he played for us before his injury he showed all of the above traits. Haugaard's point to prove is a much bigger one. I'm in the nothing to play for camp so want the young lad to play. Sorry. I just have a funny feeling that Given will be too immobile. He has been looking slow for the last year or so and a long lay-off is hardly going to have sped his reactions up. It's a difficult one really: Given's experience will help to settle the defence but I just get a feeling that he will be too slow around his box whereas Haugaard should be quicker about the box but give the defence less verbal encouragement - my gut feeling is go for Haugaard - at some point we have to give these "kiddies" an opportunity. Every season a number of "kiddies" are thrown in by other teams and hit the ground running and we all say "why don't Stoke find these gems", well, we won't if we don't try them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 21:14:26 GMT
In the few games he played for us before his injury he showed all of the above traits. Haugaard's point to prove is a much bigger one. I'm in the nothing to play for camp so want the young lad to play. Sorry. I just have a funny feeling that Given will be too immobile. He has been looking slow for the last year or so and a long lay-off is hardly going to have sped his reactions up. It's a difficult one really: Given's experience will help to settle the defence but I just get a feeling that he will be too slow around his box whereas Haugaard should be quicker about the box but give the defence less verbal encouragement - my gut feeling is go for Haugaard - at some point we have to give these "kiddies" an opportunity. Every season a number of "kiddies" are thrown in by other teams and hit the ground running and we all say "why don't Stoke find these gems", well, we won't if we don't try them. Agree with all of that! He just looked clunky to me and that could be bad with the pace of our back 4. Haugaard needs the chance.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 30, 2016 21:19:44 GMT
I've never rated Given and for me Haugaard has to play.
Saying that, to give up on the league (that is wide open) for the sake of blooding a few youngsters is total nonsense. A proper heads gone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2016 21:32:48 GMT
I've never rated Given and for me Haugaard has to play. Saying that, to give up on the league (that is wide open) for the sake of blooding a few youngsters is total nonsense. A proper heads gone. Nobody has suggested that though! Haugaard deserves the chance, he happens to be young. Ireland is doing nowt on the bench, we have a youngster who plays in his position, there's no harm replacing a player who doesn't come on with a player likely not to come on.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 30, 2016 21:44:21 GMT
I've never rated Given and for me Haugaard has to play. Saying that, to give up on the league (that is wide open) for the sake of blooding a few youngsters is total nonsense. A proper heads gone. Nobody has suggested that though! Haugaard deserves the chance, he happens to be young. Ireland is doing nowt on the bench, we have a youngster who plays in his position, there's no harm replacing a player who doesn't come on with a player likely not to come on. Ireland can change a game, he's proved it. Shenton would be better off on loan in the Championship.
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Post by stokefc on Mar 30, 2016 21:46:34 GMT
I've never rated Given and for me Haugaard has to play. Saying that, to give up on the league (that is wide open) for the sake of blooding a few youngsters is total nonsense. A proper heads gone. Nobody has suggested that though! Haugaard deserves the chance, he happens to be young. Ireland is doing nowt on the bench, we have a youngster who plays in his position, there's no harm replacing a player who doesn't come on with a player likely not to come on. good keeper that Ireland,jeez thats twice tonight ive picked summat oh you,re on about Shenton
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Post by mightyone on Mar 30, 2016 21:50:39 GMT
Given's contracted for next season too, isn't he? IF he's fit, I don't think there'll be a decision to make in Hughes' mind. Right or wrong, I think it'll be Given. Yes he is, and for what it's worth either of the 2 keepers in goal on Saturday I will be happy with. There are pros and cons in all walks of life and people can discuss all day who should and should not be in goal Saturday and that's why Mark Hughes gets paid do decide because ultimately he is the one who knows best out of all of us .
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 30, 2016 21:55:34 GMT
If the young un doesn't get his chance then its a sad day. How will he know if he's good enough.
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Post by stokey127 on Mar 30, 2016 22:11:26 GMT
It will be an interesting call. Part of me wants to see whether the young keeper is ready for the number 2 role next season, with Given having, at best, only another year in him at this level. But we still have a significant chunk of the season to go and experience might be key. It would be good to go into next season with the same group of goalkeepers, so keeping Given sweet might come into the equation. Give Haugaard more game time in the cups next year, if he keeps improving. God it is tough to call let's hope we score plenty of goals to talk about. But I agree with your thinking.
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