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Post by rockthecity on Jul 8, 2015 6:27:52 GMT
Stein every time, consistency was key!
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 8, 2015 6:47:15 GMT
Fuller. I am basing this on the fact he propelled us to the Prem and then some. Steino was class but, for us, it was at 3rd tier level(mostly) so it cannot compare. Goooaaarrrnnn Ricardo! & Stein went Chelsea
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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 8, 2015 7:23:11 GMT
I'd have loved to see them play together up top, that would have been an amazing combination
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Post by petemac on Jul 8, 2015 8:01:13 GMT
I take it all back. His record at Chelsea was ok, all be it short lived. I was thinking of Sheron, who didn't exactly shine when he left us for the lure of the Prem. Mark Stein was never the same after his father, Scottish Manager, Jock Stein passed away. Jock would have been so proud of him, and his brothers.... Agree about Jock. Yes Steino did ok at Chelsea he broke the record for 7 consecutive wins and did manage to score 25 in 63 games for them which is pretty decent. He did eventually lose his place to Vialli, Zola and also Mark Hughes when they come along, which were all world class.
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Post by dwr17477 on Jul 8, 2015 12:58:54 GMT
Fuller. I am basing this on the fact he propelled us to the Prem and then some. Steino was class but, for us, it was at 3rd tier level(mostly) so it cannot compare. Goooaaarrrnnn Ricardo! & Stein went Chelsea As far as I am concerned it's how a player performed at Stoke. A good example is Shilton - one of my first heros at Stoke. He was pretty gash for us but look at his time at Forest but you would never put him in front of Banks for Stoke.
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Jul 8, 2015 13:22:05 GMT
Steino for me he was just ruthless in front of goal an absolute goal machine.He was pure class and scored some great goals,yes it was lower league but he stepped up with Chelsea and showed is abillity.His goals against Utd alone wins the this argument.Fuller was great to though more of a maverick than a ice cold killer like Steino.I honestly dont think we have had a striker has good as him since, premiership and all.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 8, 2015 16:33:35 GMT
Fuller was the better all round player, Stein a better finisher.
I think Steino would probably struggle a bit more in the modern game with its reliance on lone front men. That definitely wasn't his game; he was a classic goal poacher who could also scream them in from outside the area now and again, but he always had a foil to play off at Stoke, whether it was Biggins or Big Dave Regis.
Steino could certainly do it in the top-flight but was never really much of a favourite at Chelsea; despite that purple patch he had when he broke the record for consecutive goals scored, I don't think he was ever really the main man there. Bearing in mind that Chelsea were nowhere near the force they are now, and Fuller was immense for us for a couple of seasons in the Prem, my opinion is that nostalgia is playing a few tricks on the memory here.
It's a close call which Ric just shades IMO, and anyone saying that one was miles better than the other is talking absolute shit.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 8, 2015 16:47:12 GMT
Stein just nicks it for me.
That said, as a pairing, they might not do much donkey work but if you got the ball to either of them and gave them a bit of space there could be a few goals in it!
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Post by daviddunn on Jul 8, 2015 21:40:29 GMT
Steino for me and yes he would have been devastating in today's prem moving on to his Chelsea career he scored in 7 consecutive games and not sure if he got a small injury set back and it was widely reported at the time that he fell out big time with the manager who I think was Ruud Guillett and didn't enjoy he time there
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Post by dwr17477 on Jul 8, 2015 22:01:58 GMT
For those of us saying Steino, it should give you an idea as to how good he was. He was a little fella but he was an absolute giant. Scored all types of goals (tap in's, screamers, headers, goals off any part of his body) and rarely, if ever, let us down. Had Lou not left for Celtic and Stein for Chelsea almost within days of each other, that team we had then would have been in the Premier League some 13/14 years before we did actually make it. I wasn't born to see our great team of the 70's but watching Lou Macari's team in the early 90's was an absolute joy, arguably better even than everything we've experienced in the Premier League. We were destined for oblivion back then and we came roaring back courtesy of the genius of two little fella's who were absolute god like giants for our club. For a short while (Middlesborough away, Forest Away, Manure at home) absolutely anything seemed possible as we jet propelled our way back to the big time. In true Stoke fashion, it all came to a shuddering halt in double quick time. Reading that made my vomit lol watching Steino's interview in the tunnel at the Vic after his last match before he left broke my heart on top of Lou going it was a devastating time. Can't agree with that. I get that it was a magic period to be a Stoke fan but nothing compares to beating the likes of the shit, liverpoo, the arse, etc in the Prem - absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned and so as I have said before, Steino was great and I saw him many times down The Vic but it was against poor opposition. Yes, he did it for Chelsea but Chelsea ain't Stoke so of no interest to me. Fuller, for Stoke, in 2 cracking seasons to build the base for where we are now and then in our formative period in The Prem - well he wins everytime. Both great players, mind and Steino was a gem. Do they compare to Greenhoff and Ritchie, though? No way.
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Post by debabelizer on Jul 8, 2015 22:11:54 GMT
Steino ????
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Post by nott1 on Jul 8, 2015 22:13:53 GMT
John Ritchie!
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Post by debabelizer on Jul 8, 2015 22:14:24 GMT
Stein. Loved fuller though.
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Post by tuum on Jul 9, 2015 3:40:53 GMT
Irrespective of which people prefer for whatever reason.. they share one common trait that I've rarely seen in Stoke players... when ever they got the ball at their feet... you could feel a palpable rise in collective anticipation around the ground that something special could be about to happen. For that alone they are and always will be Stoke City legends... I agree with you but that 'buzz' for Fuller & Stein was like nothing compared to Chambo! With Chambo there was a momentary quiet, a collective intake of breath, before the buzz...it was very different, a higher level, than with Fuller & Steino. My rose tinted glasses are fogging up just thinking about it!
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Post by geoffscott on Jul 9, 2015 7:54:03 GMT
I don't really get the Stein or Fuller comparison. Both were exceptional players for Stoke City in their time and both players were worth the price of a ticket just to see them play, but I would also say that of players like Chamberlain, Beagrie, Bojan and I place equal value and appreciation in having the opportunity of watching a defensive master class from Ryan Shawcross. I loved Mark Stein in a Stoke shirt, but the pick of the bunch for me would be Ricardo Fuller, on so many levels. Put Ricardo Fuller in the Lou Macari team that Steino played in and I'm sure Fuller would have been just as big a success playing for Stoke City. Put Mark Stein in the Stoke team that Ricardo Fuller played in, I'm not so sure he would have made any where near the impact he did under Lou Macari, in fact I reckon he would have ended up being banished to the left wing. On the other hand I believe Ricardo Fuller and his ability to consistently 'make something out of nothing' in both the Championship and Premier League, was the biggest reason why Stoke City are where we are today. Ricardo Fuller made an ugly brand of football watchable and absolutely made the price of a ticket worth it, he rarely got the service his god given talents deserved, but he always gave his best for Stoke City and achieved so much. Now if you had Mark Stein and Ricardo Fuller playing in a Mark Hughes team of today, that really would be the basis of a dream team
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 9:55:20 GMT
Reading that made my vomit lol watching Steino's interview in the tunnel at the Vic after his last match before he left broke my heart on top of Lou going it was a devastating time. Can't agree with that. I get that it was a magic period to be a Stoke fan but nothing compares to beating the likes of the shit, liverpoo, the arse, etc in the Prem - absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned and so as I have said before, Steino was great and I saw him many times down The Vic but it was against poor opposition. Yes, he did it for Chelsea but Chelsea ain't Stoke so of no interest to me. Fuller, for Stoke, in 2 cracking seasons to build the base for where we are now and then in our formative period in The Prem - well he wins everytime. Both great players, mind and Steino was a gem. Do they compare to Greenhoff and Ritchie, though? No way.
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Post by dwr17477 on Jul 9, 2015 11:31:02 GMT
Can't agree with that. I get that it was a magic period to be a Stoke fan but nothing compares to beating the likes of the shit, liverpoo, the arse, etc in the Prem - absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned and so as I have said before, Steino was great and I saw him many times down The Vic but it was against poor opposition. Yes, he did it for Chelsea but Chelsea ain't Stoke so of no interest to me. Fuller, for Stoke, in 2 cracking seasons to build the base for where we are now and then in our formative period in The Prem - well he wins everytime. Both great players, mind and Steino was a gem. Do they compare to Greenhoff and Ritchie, though? No way. Well documented, of course, but that was in that purple patch and great though it was most of the opposition was third tier stuff...I remain in the Fuller camp.
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2015 11:59:17 GMT
Fuller was the better all round player, Stein a better finisher. I think Steino would probably struggle a bit more in the modern game with its reliance on lone front men. That definitely wasn't his game; he was a classic goal poacher who could also scream them in from outside the area now and again, but he always had a foil to play off at Stoke, whether it was Biggins or Big Dave Regis. Steino could certainly do it in the top-flight but was never really much of a favourite at Chelsea; despite that purple patch he had when he broke the record for consecutive goals scored, I don't think he was ever really the main man there. Bearing in mind that Chelsea were nowhere near the force they are now, and Fuller was immense for us for a couple of seasons in the Prem, my opinion is that nostalgia is playing a few tricks on the memory here. It's a close call which Ric just shades IMO, and anyone saying that one was miles better than the other is talking absolute shit. Don't think thats quite right myself Stein often played midfield for Luton & Oxford precisely because he was such a good all round footballer not just a goalscorer. Two great feet,fantastic reading of the game,neat passer of the ball. His link play with Biggins (but also with Shaw) was superb.That was down to his (footballing) brains & general skills. If he had scored at an average rate he would still have been a very good player for Stoke. Thorne was a poacher,Sheron even but Stein was far more than just a goalscorer. Can't imaging Ric playing midfield can you? winger maybe If Hughes had both in his squad right now (at the peak of their powers)I think both would play.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 12:24:12 GMT
as much as i loved Ric (sexy bastard that he was), he never did this against the best keeper in the world at the time which made me jizz all over the terraces................. nuff said!
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Post by debabelizer on Jul 9, 2015 12:32:24 GMT
as much as i loved Ric (sexy bastard that he was), he never did this against the best keeper in the world at the time which made me jizz all over the terraces................. nuff said! This goal is definitely in the top 3 high points of 27 years spent outside the top flight.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 9, 2015 12:36:26 GMT
Steino
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 16:26:10 GMT
For those of us saying Steino, it should give you an idea as to how good he was. He was a little fella but he was an absolute giant. Scored all types of goals (tap in's, screamers, headers, goals off any part of his body) and rarely, if ever, let us down. Had Lou not left for Celtic and Stein for Chelsea almost within days of each other, that team we had then would have been in the Premier League some 13/14 years before we did actually make it. I wasn't born to see our great team of the 70's but watching Lou Macari's team in the early 90's was an absolute joy, arguably better even than everything we've experienced in the Premier League. We were destined for oblivion back then and we came roaring back courtesy of the genius of two little fella's who were absolute god like giants for our club. For a short while (Middlesborough away, Forest Away, Manure at home) absolutely anything seemed possible as we jet propelled our way back to the big time. In true Stoke fashion, it all came to a shuddering halt in double quick time. Sorry mate can't agree with that. Arguably better than anything weve experienced in The premier league?? Now I can remember the days under lou and yes they were fantastic. But we're they better than thumping arsenal and Liverpool in the prem? Not a patch! Was beating Southend really as good as beating Man Utd in a league match? Was beating Mansfield away as good as thrashing Bolton in a cup semi? Or going to Valencia etc? They were good days but not a patch on the stuff we've been lucky to see lately
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 9, 2015 19:00:26 GMT
Fuller was the better all round player, Stein a better finisher. I think Steino would probably struggle a bit more in the modern game with its reliance on lone front men. That definitely wasn't his game; he was a classic goal poacher who could also scream them in from outside the area now and again, but he always had a foil to play off at Stoke, whether it was Biggins or Big Dave Regis. Steino could certainly do it in the top-flight but was never really much of a favourite at Chelsea; despite that purple patch he had when he broke the record for consecutive goals scored, I don't think he was ever really the main man there. Bearing in mind that Chelsea were nowhere near the force they are now, and Fuller was immense for us for a couple of seasons in the Prem, my opinion is that nostalgia is playing a few tricks on the memory here. It's a close call which Ric just shades IMO, and anyone saying that one was miles better than the other is talking absolute shit. Don't think thats quite right myself Stein often played midfield for Luton & Oxford precisely because he was such a good all round footballer not just a goalscorer. Two great feet,fantastic reading of the game,neat passer of the ball. His link play with Biggins (but also with Shaw) was superb.That was down to his (footballing) brains & general skills. If he had scored at an average rate he would still have been a very good player for Stoke. Thorne was a poacher,Sheron even but Stein was far more than just a goalscorer. Can't imaging Ric playing midfield can you? winger maybe If Hughes had both in his squad right now (at the peak of their powers)I think both would play. I think that's fair comment to be honest; he did have a lot more to his game than jut scoring goals. The only point I'd disagree on is Sheron being more of a goal poacher than Steino was- I don't think that's particularly true. Sheron IMO was more of a Biggins-type player who had that touch of class about him as well as scoring goals. However, I have no doubt that Fuller and Stein would have been a brilliant partnership on paper (4-4-2). Biggins and Stein certainly were. it was sickening when Bertie went to Barnsley; I reckon we'd have smashed 100 points that year if he'd stayed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 19:05:51 GMT
Thorne beats 'em both Trouserdog Last player to score 30 in one season in decades. At a top draw level too.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 9, 2015 19:27:51 GMT
Thorne beats 'em both Trouserdog Last player to score 30 in one season in decades. At a top draw level too. I loved Thorney, but he's nowhere near Ric or Stein class, mate. As I'm sure you know only too well...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 19:29:46 GMT
Thorne beats 'em both Trouserdog Last player to score 30 in one season in decades. At a top draw level too. I loved Thorney, but he's nowhere near Ric or Stein class, mate. As I'm sure you know only too well... My first hero mate. To me, he's better than both.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2015 19:45:54 GMT
Another one for Stein.
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Post by petemac on Jul 9, 2015 20:17:44 GMT
Really liked Thorney too, was gutted when left for Cardiff. Thorney was the ultimate poacher in front of goal (winning goal for the autoglass springs to mind)
Ric and Steino were on a different level
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 20:34:47 GMT
Steino for me.
Fuller was good don't get me wrong but for every quality performance he put in there were two or three games where he just didn't seem on it, sitting on the floor throwing his arms in the air, feeling hard done to, you could just tell with Ric in the opening ten mins whether he was on it or not. When he was he was magnificent but when he wasn't...
I can't recall one game when Steino wasn't a threat. From his debut appearance ( on loan from Oxford ?) to the very end he was a menace to everyone in every game. Sometimes he'd fail to get on the scoresheet but he never failed to cause our opponents problems.
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Post by petemac on Jul 9, 2015 20:37:54 GMT
One thing that Steino and Ric had in common was.
The opposition knew what threat they were but still could not stop them.
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