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Post by malteser68 on Jul 5, 2015 14:36:52 GMT
He's done nowt for us....get rid! You've got a short memory my friend ... He gave away quite a few useless free kicks around the edge of the box which cost us quite a handful of points ....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 14:41:04 GMT
Got way more shit from fans than he deserved, but it'd be a good move for him.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 5, 2015 14:43:50 GMT
Got way more shit from fans than he deserved, but it'd be a good move for him. Exactly what I think, he doesn't really deserve the stick he gets. Good honest pro imo
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Post by nott1 on Jul 5, 2015 14:47:01 GMT
Got way more shit from fans than he deserved, but it'd be a good move for him. I think he's been let off lightly by Stoke fans, but I doubt he had one good match for us, even though he's been a decent player previously.
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Post by 2004 on Jul 5, 2015 16:35:14 GMT
I think he did it at Arsenal within about 10 minutes since he got on the pitch En anglais s'il vous plaît. Impressive
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Post by redwhite on Jul 5, 2015 16:47:20 GMT
Got way more shit from fans than he deserved, but it'd be a good move for him. I think he's been let off lightly by Stoke fans, but I doubt he had one good match for us, even though he's been a decent player previously. He had three or four good matches for us in November before he got injured at Liverpool. Good backup and we haven't had to rely on him much. I think people are way too harsh.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 5, 2015 16:59:44 GMT
Certainly a player and individual mark and his team like around the club
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 5, 2015 17:07:47 GMT
I think he's been let off lightly by Stoke fans, but I doubt he had one good match for us, even though he's been a decent player previously. He had three or four good matches for us in November before he got injured at Liverpool. Good backup and we haven't had to rely on him much. I think people are way too harsh. They always are, on here mate. He really hasn't had any opportunity to get a decent run of games together at Stoke. As you say, was starting to get to grips with it when he got injured. Since then he's been kept out of the frame by players who have performed very well. Good luck to him if he goes to Leeds. He'll do a very good job for them because he's a good player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 17:12:40 GMT
He doesn't really deserve a run of games though. It was always a weird one. When were these 3/4 games btw, I honestly can't remember them!
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 5, 2015 17:13:23 GMT
Kept out of the side by N'zonzi's excellent form.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 5, 2015 17:29:02 GMT
He doesn't really deserve a run of games though. It was always a weird one. When were these 3/4 games btw, I honestly can't remember them! It's not really a matter of DESERVING a run of games is it though, and I wasn't saying that he should have had such a run. He hasn't looked particularly impressive when he's played but all players need more than a couple of games to start producing their best. He had a handful of 'resonable' games and then got injured. He simply hasn't had the opportunity to establish himself here at all. That isn't because he hasn't deserved an opportunity but simply down to those in the team playing very well and keeping him out. Too many just HAVE to go to the extremes where our players are concerned. They're never just 'average' in many fans eyes....they have to be either brilliant or dogshit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 17:40:56 GMT
He doesn't really deserve a run of games though. It was always a weird one. When were these 3/4 games btw, I honestly can't remember them! It's not really a matter of DESERVING a run of games is it though, and I wasn't saying that he should have had such a run. He hasn't looked particularly impressive when he's played but all players need more than a couple of games to start producing their best. He had a handful of 'resonable' games and then got injured. He simply hasn't had the opportunity to establish himself here at all. That isn't because he hasn't deserved an opportunity but simply down to those in the team playing very well and keeping him out. Too many just HAVE to go to the extremes where our players are concerned. They're never just 'average' in many fans eyes....they have to be either brilliant or dogshit. Of course it is, he's deserved fuck all, he's got fuck all. It was odd one and despite Whelan breaking his leg and being out for 6 weeks he never really looked like the solution. I wish him no ill but he really is an irrelevance.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 5, 2015 17:50:13 GMT
It's not really a matter of DESERVING a run of games is it though, and I wasn't saying that he should have had such a run. He hasn't looked particularly impressive when he's played but all players need more than a couple of games to start producing their best. He had a handful of 'resonable' games and then got injured. He simply hasn't had the opportunity to establish himself here at all. That isn't because he hasn't deserved an opportunity but simply down to those in the team playing very well and keeping him out. Too many just HAVE to go to the extremes where our players are concerned. They're never just 'average' in many fans eyes....they have to be either brilliant or dogshit. Of course it is, he's deserved fuck all, he's got fuck all. It was odd one and despite Whelan breaking his leg and being out for 6 weeks he never really looked like the solution. I wish him no ill but he really is an irrelevance. I have absolutely no understanding whatsoever why you should believe he DIDN'T DESERVE the opportunity to establish himself here. Its got nothing to do with deserving it or not. He was simply kept out of the frame because other players performed with great credit and he wasn't going to shift them out of the team. I haven't suggested that he SHOULD have been given a run because, as I said, others were performing well in the team but quite why that equates (to you) to him deserving 'fuck all' is a mystery. As I said, there are no in betweens with some fans. Players are either performing out of their skins or are a complete waste of time and want fucking off. Sidwell has done little wrong here but it just hasn't worked out for him. Good luck to him at Leeds (if that's where he ends up).
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 5, 2015 17:53:20 GMT
It's not really a matter of DESERVING a run of games is it though, and I wasn't saying that he should have had such a run. He hasn't looked particularly impressive when he's played but all players need more than a couple of games to start producing their best. He had a handful of 'resonable' games and then got injured. He simply hasn't had the opportunity to establish himself here at all. That isn't because he hasn't deserved an opportunity but simply down to those in the team playing very well and keeping him out. Too many just HAVE to go to the extremes where our players are concerned. They're never just 'average' in many fans eyes....they have to be either brilliant or dogshit. Of course it is, he's deserved fuck all, he's got fuck all. It was odd one and despite Whelan breaking his leg and being out for 6 weeks he never really looked like the solution. I wish him no ill but he really is an irrelevance. Each to their own but I thought he was playing really well when he came into the side following Whelan's leg break. He played well and so did the team during that 4-5 game spell before he himself got injured.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 18:03:12 GMT
Of course it is, he's deserved fuck all, he's got fuck all. It was odd one and despite Whelan breaking his leg and being out for 6 weeks he never really looked like the solution. I wish him no ill but he really is an irrelevance. I have absolutely no understanding whatsoever why you should believe he DIDN'T DESERVE the opportunity to establish himself here. Its got nothing to do with deserving it or not. He was simply kept out of the frame because other players performed with great credit and he wasn't going to shift them out of the team. I haven't suggested that he SHOULD have been given a run because, as I said, others were performing well in the team but quite why that equates (to you) to him deserving 'fuck all' is a mystery. As I said, there are no in betweens with some fans. Players are either performing out of their skins or are a complete waste of time and want fucking off. Sidwell has done little wrong here but it just hasn't worked out for him. Good luck to him at Leeds (if that's where he ends up). We have better players and we never needed him.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 5, 2015 18:04:42 GMT
He was a part of the team in the West Ham match and the first Tottenham one. We were very good in both of those matches IMO. He's not a bad player, just not good enough to be in the starting XI at a top half club. Plus he's 32, so it's not like he's going to get better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 18:08:35 GMT
The West Ham match we should have lost?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 5, 2015 18:10:54 GMT
The West Ham match we should have lost? The one we drew 2-2, and could have easily been up 4-0 at the half.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 18:14:08 GMT
The West Ham match we should have lost? The one we drew 2-2, and could have easily been up 4-0 at the half. And the one we were clinging on to for our dear lives for 30 minutes and were lucky not to lose about 4-2.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 5, 2015 18:17:34 GMT
I think Sidwell has been unlucky. He was an excellent player in a poor Fulham side and MH did right to pick him up for free when he became available.
Unfortunately things haven't worked out for him. The few occasions he did get on the park he either made mistakes or appeared not to gel with the rest of the team. When his chance came with all the injuries, he got injured himself. His natural position was occupied by N'Zonzi who played all season.
He strikes me as a players' player rather than a fans player, keeping his head down like Whelan and get on with the job, and unlikely to grab headlines. At his age he is unlikely to get back as a first choice player and Stoke are seeking to move to a European slot next season, so in all probability I expect the club will move him on and try and sign a top flight player.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 5, 2015 18:17:35 GMT
The one we drew 2-2, and could have easily been up 4-0 at the half. And the one we were clinging on to for our dear lives for 30 minutes and were lucky not to lose about 4-2. Here's the match recapSome highlights, if you don't feel like clicking the link: "Geoff Cameron was allowed to burst forward from right-back many times in the opening exchanges and almost made West Ham pay when he teed up Bojan 15 yards from goal. However, Bojan’s shot was blocked bravely by James Collins. Bojan drew confidence from his early opportunity and delivered a dangerous low cross from the right in the 22nd minute after evading Morgan Amalfitano. But the cross escaped the toe of a lunging Diouf. Moses forced the ball over the line from close range as it fell at his feet via Bojan and Diouf, after Carl Jenkinson had failed to clear Cameron's cross. Diouf could have doubled the advantage in first-half stoppage time, but was denied by a fantastic save by Adrian, after West Ham again failed to cope with a ball into the box from Cameron. Diouf had a chance to put the game beyond the visitors 10 minutes later as he met Erik Pieters's whipped free-kick, but he could not direct his effort on target. West Ham's defence came under greater pressure in the closing stages as Stoke put in aerial balls into the box, but Adrian was not unduly tested and hung on for a point."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 18:20:13 GMT
And the one we were clinging on to for our dear lives for 30 minutes and were lucky not to lose about 4-2. Here's the match recapSome highlights, if you don't feel like clicking the link: "Geoff Cameron was allowed to burst forward from right-back many times in the opening exchanges and almost made West Ham pay when he teed up Bojan 15 yards from goal. However, Bojan’s shot was blocked bravely by James Collins. Bojan drew confidence from his early opportunity and delivered a dangerous low cross from the right in the 22nd minute after evading Morgan Amalfitano. But the cross escaped the toe of a lunging Diouf. Moses forced the ball over the line from close range as it fell at his feet via Bojan and Diouf, after Carl Jenkinson had failed to clear Cameron's cross. Diouf could have doubled the advantage in first-half stoppage time, but was denied by a fantastic save by Adrian, after West Ham again failed to cope with a ball into the box from Cameron. Diouf had a chance to put the game beyond the visitors 10 minutes later as he met Erik Pieters's whipped free-kick, but he could not direct his effort on target. West Ham's defence came under greater pressure in the closing stages as Stoke put in aerial balls into the box, but Adrian was not unduly tested and hung on for a point." I can remember the game thanks, we were lucky not to lose in the end.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 5, 2015 18:29:44 GMT
Here's the match recapSome highlights, if you don't feel like clicking the link: "Geoff Cameron was allowed to burst forward from right-back many times in the opening exchanges and almost made West Ham pay when he teed up Bojan 15 yards from goal. However, Bojan’s shot was blocked bravely by James Collins. Bojan drew confidence from his early opportunity and delivered a dangerous low cross from the right in the 22nd minute after evading Morgan Amalfitano. But the cross escaped the toe of a lunging Diouf. Moses forced the ball over the line from close range as it fell at his feet via Bojan and Diouf, after Carl Jenkinson had failed to clear Cameron's cross. Diouf could have doubled the advantage in first-half stoppage time, but was denied by a fantastic save by Adrian, after West Ham again failed to cope with a ball into the box from Cameron. Diouf had a chance to put the game beyond the visitors 10 minutes later as he met Erik Pieters's whipped free-kick, but he could not direct his effort on target. West Ham's defence came under greater pressure in the closing stages as Stoke put in aerial balls into the box, but Adrian was not unduly tested and hung on for a point." I can remember the game thanks, we were lucky not to lose in the end. I can remember the game too. There were games we won and maybe didn't deserve to last season, and some we lost that we probably shouldn't have. Based on the entire 90 minutes and how many chances we created in that one we were by far the better team, and very unlucky to not have claimed all three points.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2015 18:31:07 GMT
I can remember the game thanks, we were lucky not to lose in the end. I can remember the game too. There were games we won and maybe didn't deserve to last season, and some we lost that we probably shouldn't have. Based on the entire 90 minutes and how many chances we created in that one we were by far the better team, and very unlucky to not have claimed all three points. Nah, we were battered in the last 30 minutes all from a place of relative ease, I can't remember how Sidwell did mind!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 5, 2015 18:44:13 GMT
My abiding memory of Sidwell's contribution is chopping people down on the edge of our own box and costing us all 3 points against QPR. Up there with Demar Phillips in the bizarre signings camp. He also did it in another game which cost us, I can't remeber which one though He only did it once, the first was a bad call by the ref as he didn't touch the player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 19:07:46 GMT
I can remember the game thanks, we were lucky not to lose in the end. I can remember the game too. There were games we won and maybe didn't deserve to last season, and some we lost that we probably shouldn't have. Based on the entire 90 minutes and how many chances we created in that one we were by far the better team, and very unlucky to not have claimed all three points. Our best home performance of the season, until the Spurs and Liverpool games.
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Post by stokey127 on Jul 5, 2015 19:21:23 GMT
I forget we still have Sidwell...... Best to forget he's crap.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 5, 2015 22:02:39 GMT
Bit harsh on Sidwell. Shouldn't judge unless he's had a run of games, which he hasn't had. I think he's OK but like so many other players in our Premier League system...take the money football comes second
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 5, 2015 23:04:59 GMT
All he's done is cost us 3 points at QPR. He's pretty shite. Well, two points.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 6, 2015 6:36:13 GMT
I can remember the game too. There were games we won and maybe didn't deserve to last season, and some we lost that we probably shouldn't have. Based on the entire 90 minutes and how many chances we created in that one we were by far the better team, and very unlucky to not have claimed all three points. Nah, we were battered in the last 30 minutes all from a place of relative ease, I can't remember how Sidwell did mind! Song also shouldn't have been on the pitch.
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