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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 21:46:08 GMT
Is that website your source of objective and unbiased information, Mumf? It reads like the para-military wing of Fox News! Not sure , I was ironing my combat gear when I came across it .....
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 22, 2015 21:49:20 GMT
His washing machines are absolutely shit nothing but trouble with the fucker, never tried his other electrical goods but from experience steer clear of his goods. Seriously though what is your opinion on Steven Biko the apartheid activist who died in police custody? Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 22, 2015 21:50:20 GMT
Never mate...you're one of the few decent posters on here....usually I was actually thinking of you after killbillies post......me and thee are poles apart politically, yet we still get on fine, where as billy really does take it to heart....silly billy Aw, it's like when Michael Foot and Enoch Powell got to be big mates (truly)
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 21:55:28 GMT
Seriously though what is your opinion on Steven Biko the apartheid activist who died in police custody? Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist Really seemed such a nice chap as well, just goes to show one mans terrorist another mans messiah, opinions hey like chalk and cheese.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 21:57:53 GMT
I was actually thinking of you after killbillies post......me and thee are poles apart politically, yet we still get on fine, where as billy really does take it to heart....silly billy Aw, it's like when Michael Foot and Enoch Powell got to be big mates (truly) Really you are joking what a scary thought, could be a film in that of the horror type obviously
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:02:47 GMT
Seriously though what is your opinion on Steven Biko the apartheid activist who died in police custody? Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:05:53 GMT
His washing machines are absolutely shit nothing but trouble with the fucker, never tried his other electrical goods but from experience steer clear of his goods. Seriously though what is your opinion on Steven Biko the apartheid activist who died in police custody? Was he charged with crimes against white goods ?, no seriously I am have no idea I am as thick as pigshit I will Google him when I have time, I am more into the big time players like Mandela etc and by the way I believe all terrorists whatever creed etc deserve the death sentence including the head case in America, a murderer is a murderer whatever end of.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 22, 2015 22:08:49 GMT
Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis. Bullshit!...... you were quoting the definition verbatim allowing no room for nuance or common sense. As soon as it suits you, you change your tune. I believe apologies are in order...... not least to old Crapslinger
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:10:29 GMT
Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis. You need to stop boy, you set the rules now you are changing the them play the ball not the man , green as fuckin grass springs to mind, you are making yourself look like a Hypocrite as harry has pointed out to you before now go and learn from your basic errors, come back when you are wiser.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:12:18 GMT
Being as he organized the Soweto Uprising with it's politically motivated violence we know that you 100% believe him to be a terrorist The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis. Whatever your opinions are on what constitutes an act of terrorism , the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people do not believe that . They believe it was a racist attack fuelled by hatred . I suppose if he was a member of the KKK then you might be able to call it as such .... But , like you say every case is different .
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:14:51 GMT
The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis. Bullshit!...... you were quoting the definition verbatim allowing no room for nuance or common sense. As soon as it suits you, you change your tune. I believe apologies are in order...... not least to old Crapslinger Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I was specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology.
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:20:32 GMT
The ideology and motivation behind politically motivated violence is very important. Basically there's what can be argued as 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'. Just because I argued that the Charleston shooting due, to the deeply flawed ideology of the perpetrator was a horrific atrocity and a terrorist act , it doesn't mean that all acts of terrorism fall into this category and I think that's pretty obvious. Such acts have to be judged on a case by case basis. Whatever your opinions are on what constitutes an act of terrorism , the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people do not believe that . They believe it was a racist attack fuelled by hatred . I suppose if he was a member of the KKK then you might be able to call it as such .... But , like you say every case is different . When you say 'vast majority' I don't think you've got the factual information to make such a claim. There were plenty of other posters on the thread that also thought it was a terrorist act, and there's plenty of other intelligent people throughout the world that were also of the opinion it was a terrorist act. I understand that people might hold a different view and I've got no problem with that, each to their own. I was simply defending my own view.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 22, 2015 22:23:27 GMT
Bullshit!...... you were quoting the definition verbatim allowing no room for nuance or common sense. As soon as it suits you, you change your tune. I believe apologies are in order...... not least to old Crapslinger Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology. AGAIN BULLSHIT!! Just stop digging FFS - it's getting embarrassing
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:29:20 GMT
Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology. AGAIN BULLSHIT!! Just stop digging FFS - it's getting embarrassing What's embarrassing is that despite me clearly outlining my position regarding different types of terrorism (something I never talked about in the previous thread) you're not willing to accept it and bizarrely suggesting I think otherwise when I clearly don't. You don't think the Charleston was a terrorist act, that's perfectly fine but I don't agree and therefore I'm prepared to agree to disagree. There is no point in continuing this debate further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:30:48 GMT
Whatever your opinions are on what constitutes an act of terrorism , the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people do not believe that . They believe it was a racist attack fuelled by hatred . I suppose if he was a member of the KKK then you might be able to call it as such .... But , like you say every case is different . When you say 'vast majority' I don't think you've got the factual information to make such a claim. There were plenty of other posters on the thread that also thought it was a terrorist act, and there's plenty of other intelligent people throughout the world that were also of the opinion it was a terrorist act. I understand that people might hold a different view and I've got no problem with that, each to their own. I was simply defending my own view. You need an injection of common sense . You need to understand that what I'm telling you is a fact and I take no pleasure from stating the bleeding obvious . It has bugger all to do with intelligence . It has EVERYTHING to do with the most popular understanding of the word . The vast majority and I include the grieving families would not support your view . Simple.
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:33:37 GMT
When you say 'vast majority' I don't think you've got the factual information to make such a claim. There were plenty of other posters on the thread that also thought it was a terrorist act, and there's plenty of other intelligent people throughout the world that were also of the opinion it was a terrorist act. I understand that people might hold a different view and I've got no problem with that, each to their own. I was simply defending my own view. You need an injection of common sense . You need to understand that what I'm telling you is a fact and I take no pleasure from stating the bleeding obvious . It has bugger all to do with intelligence . It has EVERYTHING to do with the most popular understanding of the word . The vast majority and I include the grieving families would not support your view . Simple. Nope sorry mumf you're making a claim you cannot possibly prove.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 22, 2015 22:34:18 GMT
AGAIN BULLSHIT!! Just stop digging FFS - it's getting embarrassing What's embarrassing is that despite me clearly outlining my position regarding different types of terrorism (something I never talked about in the previous thread) you're not willing to accept it and bizarrely suggesting I think otherwise when I clearly don't. You don't think the Charleston was a terrorist act, that's perfectly fine but I don't agree and therefore I'm prepared to agree to disagree. There is no point in continuing this debate further. Your inconsistency is breathtaking (and there for all to see). I agree with your last sentence.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:35:53 GMT
Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology. AGAIN BULLSHIT!! Just stop digging FFS - it's getting embarrassing The rate he is going the greenhorn will reach Australia soon, mummy needs to confiscate that lap top his credibility is lower than a Dachshunds nuts, the Aussies will make mincemeat of him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:41:16 GMT
You need an injection of common sense . You need to understand that what I'm telling you is a fact and I take no pleasure from stating the bleeding obvious . It has bugger all to do with intelligence . It has EVERYTHING to do with the most popular understanding of the word . The vast majority and I include the grieving families would not support your view . Simple. Nope sorry mumf you're making a claim you cannot possibly prove. Well , thats just your stupid daft ''cop out" on things . I've read the articles , I also have family out there , and I have not heard one mention of terrorism . That's the only proof I need . Convincing you doesn't enter into the equation.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:41:34 GMT
Bullshit!...... you were quoting the definition verbatim allowing no room for nuance or common sense. As soon as it suits you, you change your tune. I believe apologies are in order...... not least to old Crapslinger Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I was specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology. Yes you do, you have to admit you can be wrong before you move on in life, we all make mistakes learn by them boy, you are making yourself look like a spoiled only child who is used to getting his own way.
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:43:11 GMT
What's embarrassing is that despite me clearly outlining my position regarding different types of terrorism (something I never talked about in the previous thread) you're not willing to accept it and bizarrely suggesting I think otherwise when I clearly don't. You don't think the Charleston was a terrorist act, that's perfectly fine but I don't agree and therefore I'm prepared to agree to disagree. There is no point in continuing this debate further. You're inconsistency is breathtaking. I agree with your last sentence. Bollocks, there is no inconsistency. In the previous thread I put forward my view on why I think the Charleston shooting is a terrorist act, people put forward a counter-argument saying that it can't be a terrorist act because the aims of the shooter (civil war) were unrealistic. I countered this by saying the line of reasoning could be applied to muslim suicide bombers. Those are the only two acts of terrorism I discussed in that debate. If you think otherwise by all means go ahead and try and prove it. In the discussion on this thread I've been asked a question with regards to the terrorism acts of Mandela in apartheid which I've responded to and I've outlined my position on different types of terrorism quite clearly. They have to be judged on a case by case basis. Stop trying to pigeonhole me and tell me what MY views are. End of discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:43:46 GMT
Nope, my position is as stated above. I wasn't arguing about other types of terrorism in that debate I was specifically putting forward an argument with regards to the Charleston shooting and why I feel it's a terrorist act. You've tried to pigeonhole me into a position that I've never claimed to hold and I owe no-one an apology. Yes you do, you have to admit you can be wrong before you move on in life, we all make mistakes learn by them boy, you are making yourself look like a spoiled only child who is used to getting his own way. He could be that example of biased bigotry that Huddy described as 'ruining' this website . I think he's right ....Edge has to be right every time .
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:45:17 GMT
Nope sorry mumf you're making a claim you cannot possibly prove. Well , thats just your stupid daft ''cop out" on things . I've read the articles , I also have family out there , and I have not heard one mention of terrorism . That's the only proof I need . Convincing you doesn't enter into the equation. Jon Stewart on the Daily show in America said it for a start. There are plenty of other articles that also have a similar view. I'm perfectly happy to accept that some share my views and some don't so lets leave it there shall we.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:50:30 GMT
Well , thats just your stupid daft ''cop out" on things . I've read the articles , I also have family out there , and I have not heard one mention of terrorism . That's the only proof I need . Convincing you doesn't enter into the equation. Jon Stewart on the Daily show in America said it for a start. There are plenty of other articles that also say similar thing. I'm perfectly happy to accept that some share my views and some don't so lets leave it there shall we. .....but what you can't accept is that you are wrong and as a result you learn absolutely nothing from it . Last night you befriended a lunatic whose name escapes me .....and you were easily led by his flattery and friendship . The bottom line was that he was using you as a tool . It wasn't your fault ....but something's are not as black and white as they seem .
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Post by countofmontecristo on Jun 22, 2015 22:50:32 GMT
You're inconsistency is breathtaking. I agree with your last sentence. Bollocks, there is no inconsistency. In the previous thread I put forward my view on why I think the Charleston shooting is a terrorist act, people put forward a counter-argument saying that it can't be a terrorist act because the aims of the shooter (civil war) were unrealistic. I countered this by saying the line of reasoning could be applied muslim suicide bombers. Those are the only two acts of terrorism I discussed in that debate. If you think otherwise by all means go ahead and try and prove it. In the discussion on this thread I've been asked a question with regards to the terrorism acts of Mandela in apartheid which I've responded to and I've outlined by position on different types of terrorism quite clearly. They have to be judged on a case by case basis. Stop trying to pigeonhole me and tell me what MY views are. End of discussion. Yesterday you were adamant that any violent politically motivated attack was Terrorism. Today, because it doesn't suit your new argument you're saying the exact opposite. You're an idiot with no principles but plenty of agendas and your opinions are therefore worthless. End of discussion.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:50:55 GMT
Yes you do, you have to admit you can be wrong before you move on in life, we all make mistakes learn by them boy, you are making yourself look like a spoiled only child who is used to getting his own way. He could be that example of biased bigotry that Huddy described as 'ruining' this website . I think he's right ....Edge has to be right every time . Classic only child syndrome, mummy has given in every time he expects everyone else to conform, welcome to the real world greenhorn smashed out of the park.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 22, 2015 22:52:37 GMT
Bollocks, there is no inconsistency. In the previous thread I put forward my view on why I think the Charleston shooting is a terrorist act, people put forward a counter-argument saying that it can't be a terrorist act because the aims of the shooter (civil war) were unrealistic. I countered this by saying the line of reasoning could be applied muslim suicide bombers. Those are the only two acts of terrorism I discussed in that debate. If you think otherwise by all means go ahead and try and prove it. In the discussion on this thread I've been asked a question with regards to the terrorism acts of Mandela in apartheid which I've responded to and I've outlined by position on different types of terrorism quite clearly. They have to be judged on a case by case basis. Stop trying to pigeonhole me and tell me what MY views are. End of discussion. Yesterday you were adamant that any violent politically motivated attack was Terrorism. Today, because it doesn't suit your new argument you're saying the exact opposite. You're an idiot with no principles but plenty of agendas and your opinions are therefore worthless. End of discussion. They think it is all over it is now
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:53:27 GMT
Bollocks, there is no inconsistency. In the previous thread I put forward my view on why I think the Charleston shooting is a terrorist act, people put forward a counter-argument saying that it can't be a terrorist act because the aims of the shooter (civil war) were unrealistic. I countered this by saying the line of reasoning could be applied muslim suicide bombers. Those are the only two acts of terrorism I discussed in that debate. If you think otherwise by all means go ahead and try and prove it. In the discussion on this thread I've been asked a question with regards to the terrorism acts of Mandela in apartheid which I've responded to and I've outlined by position on different types of terrorism quite clearly. They have to be judged on a case by case basis. Stop trying to pigeonhole me and tell me what MY views are. End of discussion. Yesterday you were adamant that any violent politically motivated attack was Terrorism. Today, because it doesn't suit your new argument you're saying the exact opposite. You're an idiot with no principles but plenty of agendas and your opinions are therefore worthless. End of discussion. I still hold that view you clearly haven't been paying attention. What I am saying is that there is 'good terrorism' (justified) and 'bad terrorism' (unjustified).
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Post by edgepotter on Jun 22, 2015 22:55:45 GMT
Jon Stewart on the Daily show in America said it for a start. There are plenty of other articles that also say similar thing. I'm perfectly happy to accept that some share my views and some don't so lets leave it there shall we. .....but what you can't accept is that you are wrong and as a result you learn absolutely nothing from it . Last night you befriended a lunatic whose name escapes me .....and you were easily led by his flattery and friendship . The bottom line was that he was using you as a tool . It wasn't your fault ....but something's are not as black and white as they seem . In your opinion I'm wrong mumf, in others I'm right. I haven't got anything to learn particuarly from the likes of yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 22:57:12 GMT
Yesterday you were adamant that any violent politically motivated attack was Terrorism. Today, because it doesn't suit your new argument you're saying the exact opposite. You're an idiot with no principles but plenty of agendas and your opinions are therefore worthless. End of discussion. I still hold that view you clearly haven't been paying attention. What I am saying is that there is 'good terrorism' (justified) and 'bad terrorism' (unjustified). Jesus wept....That has to be the most idiotic comment in the annals of this website.! You deserve everything you get after that .....
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