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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:16:38 GMT
Christ on a bike, I hate summer because everyone bangs on about that game with a stick n ball Stick indeed !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:19:16 GMT
I really wanted to reply with an essay length come back.......if only I knew what "aesthetics" means An example of aesthetics - something Bish appreciates. A backward defensive shot; Admittedly you need to be something of a purist to get much delight from this. A marvellous example Partick ......almost on a par with the forward defensive. .....I love them both !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:34:35 GMT
I would have square cut that to the boundary for four runs......... Definitely not short enough to cut mate .......a little push off the back foot is much more appropriate there ! Not with my hand eye co ordination and wristy nature, would have been all over it like a rash Bish..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:36:56 GMT
Christ on a bike, I hate summer because everyone bangs on about that game with a stick n ball Stick indeed ! Ahhhh, the smell of willow on leather
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 1, 2015 10:23:33 GMT
Well, I've posted this on a cricket thread so, yeh croquet TOC Get off here ! He's a menace Bish !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 12:27:00 GMT
Definitely not short enough to cut mate .......a little push off the back foot is much more appropriate there ! Not with my hand eye co ordination and wristy nature, would have been all over it like a rash Bish.......... Outside the off stump flasher eh !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 12:27:46 GMT
Get off here ! He's a menace Bish ! The worst kind ( almost ) !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 12:29:06 GMT
Stick indeed ! Ahhhh, the smell of willow on leather Sound of yes .....smell of ....not sure ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 1, 2015 13:09:01 GMT
The squad for the first test has been named. Has Rashid in Alastair Cook (Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Adam Lyth (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Mark Wood (Durham).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 13:12:09 GMT
The squad for the first test has been named. Has Rashid in Alastair Cook (Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Adam Lyth (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Mark Wood (Durham). Never heard of them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 13:58:33 GMT
The squad for the first test has been named. Has Rashid in Alastair Cook (Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Adam Lyth (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Mark Wood (Durham). Never heard of them Of course you haven't ......they are cricketers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 13:59:39 GMT
The squad for the first test has been named. Has Rashid in Alastair Cook (Essex), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Adam Lyth (Yorkshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Mark Wood (Durham). Pretty much what we would have expected .
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 1, 2015 14:02:34 GMT
And Finn back in the fold. He'll be one of two not to make the starting 11. The other player to miss out? Well let's hope it isn't Rashid. On current form I'd leave out Ballance. Play Bell at 3, Root at 4 and Ali at 5. Rashid at 8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:41:25 GMT
And Finn back in the fold. He'll be one of two not to make the starting 11. The other player to miss out? Well let's hope it isn't Rashid. On current form I'd leave out Ballance. Play Bell at 3, Root at 4 and Ali at 5. Rashid at 8 Really pleased they've been bold enough to pick Rashid, but I fear he'll miss out with Finn. Be interesting to see how Bell fares, love watching him play but a couple of barren games and his place could be seriously under threat. Ballance has enough credit in the bank but I really hope he's been working on his technique these last 3 or 4 weeks as he looked awful against the Kiwis
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 1, 2015 14:55:42 GMT
And Finn back in the fold. He'll be one of two not to make the starting 11. The other player to miss out? Well let's hope it isn't Rashid. On current form I'd leave out Ballance. Play Bell at 3, Root at 4 and Ali at 5. Rashid at 8 This. Ballance' confidence must be shot at moment...if he doed play, i quite like vaughans idea of swapping ballance and bell?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 1, 2015 15:48:08 GMT
And Finn back in the fold. He'll be one of two not to make the starting 11. The other player to miss out? Well let's hope it isn't Rashid. On current form I'd leave out Ballance. Play Bell at 3, Root at 4 and Ali at 5. Rashid at 8 This. Ballance' confidence must be shot at moment...if he doed play, i quite like vaughans idea of swapping ballance and bell? I think Bell averages significantly more at 3 rather than 4 too. I hope they've been tracking Balance but he hasn't scored many recently in the first class game (14 against Notts, 1 & 29 against Middlesex). If they check him out in the nets and see him still struggling I'd go with Rashid as Partick says. I'm surprised that they haven't included Morgan in the side too given his recent form.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 1, 2015 17:13:48 GMT
I will be very surprised if rashid plays. Safe is always the option with cook thats why i will never like him as a captain.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 1, 2015 18:23:02 GMT
I will be very surprised if rashid plays. Safe is always the option with cook thats why i will never like him as a captain. Maybe the new management team will think differently. Looking at Australia today 440-6 at the close after being 252-5. Assuming they bat on tomorrow, once again the second half of their batting line up will outscore the first half. We need a plan to get those last 5 wickets - and Rashid looks like a good bet.
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Post by sydneypotter on Jul 1, 2015 20:58:29 GMT
Bish: Re your comment concerning empty grounds during the 2010 series.
Come on Bish, you are being a bit naughty in saying that the grounds were empty during the losing 2010 series. The aggregate attendance during the series was over 764, 000 at an average of 33000 and some per day. Remembering that this was a series that England won 3-1 that was an outstanding attendance record considering the circumstances.
There were two first day records broken, one in Adelaide and the other at the WACA. Melbourne alone attracted over 84,000 on the first day, albeit a little down on what is normally a 90K plus crowd.
Compare the crowds with English grounds where the largest (Lords) has a capacity of around 30,000 and you must agree that the Ashes in Australia are by far the better attended. Also compare the capacity of the smallest grounds, Cardiff at around 15000 (if the redevelopment is complete) with the WACA at 24K I'm sure you will agree that he appetite for test cricket remains greater in Australia. So yes, I think I can say that the live game is appreciated by greater numbers here than in the UK, and that doesn't account for the much smaller population.
BTW, I do agree that a well performed forward defensive shot has an elegance, but my preference is a perfectly timed drive through the covers. no wasted energy with the ball reaching the boundary just before a slightly out of breath chasing fielder.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 1, 2015 21:17:09 GMT
Bish: Re your comment concerning empty grounds during the 2010 series. Come on Bish, you are being a bit naughty in saying that the grounds were empty during the losing 2010 series. The aggregate attendance during the series was over 764, 000 at an average of 33000 and some per day. Remembering that this was a series that England won 3-1 that was an outstanding attendance record considering the circumstances. There were two first day records broken, one in Adelaide and the other at the WACA. Melbourne alone attracted over 84,000 on the first day, albeit a little down on what is normally a 90K plus crowd. Compare the crowds with English grounds where the largest (Lords) has a capacity of around 30,000 and you must agree that the Ashes in Australia are by far the better attended. Also compare the capacity of the smallest grounds, Cardiff at around 15000 (if the redevelopment is complete) with the WACA at 24K I'm sure you will agree that he appetite for test cricket remains greater in Australia. So yes, I think I can say that the live game is appreciated by greater numbers here than in the UK, and that doesn't account for the much smaller population. BTW, I do agree that a well performed forward defensive shot has an elegance, but my preference is a perfectly timed drive through the covers. no wasted energy with the ball reaching the boundary just before a slightly out of breath chasing fielder. To be fair though there are a lot more English fans that boost the numbers in Australia than there are Australian fans that attend over here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 22:52:45 GMT
Bish: Re your comment concerning empty grounds during the 2010 series. Come on Bish, you are being a bit naughty in saying that the grounds were empty during the losing 2010 series. The aggregate attendance during the series was over 764, 000 at an average of 33000 and some per day. Remembering that this was a series that England won 3-1 that was an outstanding attendance record considering the circumstances. There were two first day records broken, one in Adelaide and the other at the WACA. Melbourne alone attracted over 84,000 on the first day, albeit a little down on what is normally a 90K plus crowd. Compare the crowds with English grounds where the largest (Lords) has a capacity of around 30,000 and you must agree that the Ashes in Australia are by far the better attended. Also compare the capacity of the smallest grounds, Cardiff at around 15000 (if the redevelopment is complete) with the WACA at 24K I'm sure you will agree that he appetite for test cricket remains greater in Australia. So yes, I think I can say that the live game is appreciated by greater numbers here than in the UK, and that doesn't account for the much smaller population. BTW, I do agree that a well performed forward defensive shot has an elegance, but my preference is a perfectly timed drive through the covers. no wasted energy with the ball reaching the boundary just before a slightly out of breath chasing fielder. the very large grounds that you refer to Syd were almost empty when on three occasions it was apparent that Australia were going to lose .....well supported initially I agree with you .....but empty nevertheless when England were poised to win ....I do recognise an empty seat when I see one
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Post by sydneypotter on Jul 2, 2015 0:28:00 GMT
Perfectly true Bish, the Balmy Army (yes I know) do come out to support England and at the same time have a wonderful time. They are always welcome to these shores, as is their tourist dollar and their terrific sense of fun. And why wouldn't they have a marvellous time, sun, good value cricket and an Australian crowd that appreciates their presence. The dollar /pound exchange makes it a worthwhile trip too I would imagine. In the face of that, why would Australians want to go to England in numbers with a very good chance of not being able to get a ticket, pay through the nose for accommodation and food (granted the dollar doesn't help too much here) and then get ostracised by a baying drunken mob if they are lucky enough to secure a seat. Yes, it does happen.
In years past I have found myself sitting with a number of my cricket loving English relatives watching a Trent Bridge test on TV (in Newcastle) not being able to get a seat for love or money. That is unless we knew a committee member. A good time was had by all, but we would all have preferred to have a seat at 'the Bridge.
Even the fourth and fifth day crowds, when it became clear that England were about to win, weren't all that shabby. Brisbane - nearly 30 thousand for 2 days, Adelaide - nearly 30 thousand for the last 2 days. WACA - nearly 17 thousand for day 4 (the only Australian win for that tour - in four days) Melbourne - Day 4 nearly 20 thousand (a four day test) have to say that 20K in the MCG does look desperate. There aren't too many UK grounds that could fit 20 thousand on a good day. Sydney - 55 thousand for the last 2 days - even though Australia had lost the series convincingly.
Alistair Cook was named man of the series and man of the match for his 189 in the first innings. This was a match to savour. I thought the Australian supporters were magnificent through out the series, (I would. wouldn't I) but even more so at the Sydney test. England won by an innings and a few.
I'm sure you do recognise an empty seat when you see one Bish. Even so, the cricketing fans are not normally fair weather supporters. Of course there are some, but generally the population is attuned to the status of the 'The Team' and do turn out, weather permitting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 1:21:29 GMT
Perfectly true Bish, the Balmy Army (yes I know) do come out to support England and at the same time have a wonderful time. They are always welcome to these shores, as is their tourist dollar and their terrific sense of fun. And why wouldn't they have a marvellous time, sun, good value cricket and an Australian crowd that appreciates their presence. The dollar /pound exchange makes it a worthwhile trip too I would imagine. In the face of that, why would Australians want to go to England in numbers with a very good chance of not being able to get a ticket, pay through the nose for accommodation and food (granted the dollar doesn't help too much here) and then get ostracised by a baying drunken mob if they are lucky enough to secure a seat. Yes, it does happen. In years past I have found myself sitting with a number of my cricket loving English relatives watching a Trent Bridge test on TV (in Newcastle) not being able to get a seat for love or money. That is unless we knew a committee member. A good time was had by all, but we would all have preferred to have a seat at 'the Bridge. Even the fourth and fifth day crowds, when it became clear that England were about to win, weren't all that shabby. Brisbane - nearly 30 thousand for 2 days, Adelaide - nearly 30 thousand for the last 2 days. WACA - nearly 17 thousand for day 4 (the only Australian win for that tour - in four days) Melbourne - Day 4 nearly 20 thousand (a four day test) have to say that 20K in the MCG does look desperate. There aren't too many UK grounds that could fit 20 thousand on a good day. Sydney - 55 thousand for the last 2 days - even though Australia had lost the series convincingly. Alistair Cook was named man of the series and man of the match for his 189 in the first innings. This was a match to savour. I thought the Australian supporters were magnificent through out the series, (I would. wouldn't I) but even more so at the Sydney test. England won by an innings and a few. I'm sure you do recognise an empty seat when you see one Bish. Even so, the cricketing fans are not normally fair weather supporters. Of course there are some, but generally the population is attuned to the status of the 'The Team' and do turn out, weather permitting. Ostracised by a baying drunken mob ! .....I thought that the " hill " no longer existed ?......are you a might " touchy " these days Syd ? ....I'll put it down to pre series nerves mate !
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Post by sydneypotter on Jul 2, 2015 1:58:45 GMT
Not so much touchy Bish - just needing to put some of the wrongs of the world to rights. Don Quixote couldn't do a better job I'm sure.
You're right. The 'Hill' has long since been transformed into the Victor Trumper Stand, although a bronze statue of Yabba is ensconced at the fence just to ensure that the spirit of the Hill remains.
I wasn't referring to the Hill but Old Trafford where yobbo's seem to congregate and feel free to perform as yobs do. Have to say that this behaviour wasn't tolerated in my days of watching Test match cricket in England. Still, things change and standards are lower than perhaps they once were.
Could be pre series nerves too Bish, or a couple of windmills needing to be chastised.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 2, 2015 4:40:23 GMT
Perfectly true Bish, the Balmy Army (yes I know) do come out to support England and at the same time have a wonderful time. They are always welcome to these shores, as is their tourist dollar and their terrific sense of fun. And why wouldn't they have a marvellous time, sun, good value cricket and an Australian crowd that appreciates their presence. The dollar /pound exchange makes it a worthwhile trip too I would imagine. In the face of that, why would Australians want to go to England in numbers with a very good chance of not being able to get a ticket, pay through the nose for accommodation and food (granted the dollar doesn't help too much here) and then get ostracised by a baying drunken mob if they are lucky enough to secure a seat. Yes, it does happen. In years past I have found myself sitting with a number of my cricket loving English relatives watching a Trent Bridge test on TV (in Newcastle) not being able to get a seat for love or money. That is unless we knew a committee member. A good time was had by all, but we would all have preferred to have a seat at 'the Bridge. Even the fourth and fifth day crowds, when it became clear that England were about to win, weren't all that shabby. Brisbane - nearly 30 thousand for 2 days, Adelaide - nearly 30 thousand for the last 2 days. WACA - nearly 17 thousand for day 4 (the only Australian win for that tour - in four days) Melbourne - Day 4 nearly 20 thousand (a four day test) have to say that 20K in the MCG does look desperate. There aren't too many UK grounds that could fit 20 thousand on a good day. Sydney - 55 thousand for the last 2 days - even though Australia had lost the series convincingly. Alistair Cook was named man of the series and man of the match for his 189 in the first innings. This was a match to savour. I thought the Australian supporters were magnificent through out the series, (I would. wouldn't I) but even more so at the Sydney test. England won by an innings and a few. I'm sure you do recognise an empty seat when you see one Bish. Even so, the cricketing fans are not normally fair weather supporters. Of course there are some, but generally the population is attuned to the status of the 'The Team' and do turn out, weather permitting. The first ball will be balled during the origin decider. Oooooh big Wednesday night of sport.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2015 6:14:57 GMT
Bish: Re your comment concerning empty grounds during the 2010 series. Come on Bish, you are being a bit naughty in saying that the grounds were empty during the losing 2010 series. The aggregate attendance during the series was over 764, 000 at an average of 33000 and some per day. Remembering that this was a series that England won 3-1 that was an outstanding attendance record considering the circumstances. There were two first day records broken, one in Adelaide and the other at the WACA. Melbourne alone attracted over 84,000 on the first day, albeit a little down on what is normally a 90K plus crowd. Compare the crowds with English grounds where the largest (Lords) has a capacity of around 30,000 and you must agree that the Ashes in Australia are by far the better attended. Also compare the capacity of the smallest grounds, Cardiff at around 15000 (if the redevelopment is complete) with the WACA at 24K I'm sure you will agree that he appetite for test cricket remains greater in Australia. So yes, I think I can say that the live game is appreciated by greater numbers here than in the UK, and that doesn't account for the much smaller population. BTW, I do agree that a well performed forward defensive shot has an elegance, but my preference is a perfectly timed drive through the covers. no wasted energy with the ball reaching the boundary just before a slightly out of breath chasing fielder. the very large grounds that you refer to Syd were almost empty when on three occasions it was apparent that Australia were going to lose .....well supported initially I agree with you .....but empty nevertheless when England were poised to win ....I do recognise an empty seat when I see one Very good point. Aussie supporters are just fair weather fans; they only go when they're winning. No backbone. No stiff upper lip. Just a bunch of wet lettuce leaves really.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2015 17:28:57 GMT
Interesting 2nd day in the tour match.
The Aussie "tail" wagged with the last 5 wickets out scoring the first 5 to post a first innings score of 562. Essex in reply are currently 249-1. Ok - no Johnson but Starc and Hazzlewood are playing along with Siddle. It's a strong bowling line up. Or maybe not...
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 2, 2015 18:24:56 GMT
Tymal Mills is looking promising. Sending it down at 90mph plus and left armer too.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 4, 2015 10:48:18 GMT
Sad news; Ryan Harris RetiresA superb bowler. 113 wickets in 27 tests at 23.5 is testament to a great talent that, due to those knees, could only be partially fulfilled. The upcoming Ashes series will be poorer for his absence.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 4, 2015 10:58:10 GMT
Meanwhile on the pitch, the invincible Australians look unconvincing against the mighty Essex.
Following another first innings that needed the tail to bail them out, their bowling, with the exception of the excellent Starc, looked insipid and got a battering. Particularly, and potentially importantly, the off spinner. Second time round the Aussie tail couldn't rescue the innings after another feeble show from the top order; 221 all out is a poor effort.
But the advantage their tail gave them in the first innings should be enough to see them home. Essex need getting on for 400 to win. But they've stated like a house on fire - or rather Jesse Ryder has.
Lessons for England.
1) don't let the tail wag 2) attack with the bat. Put pressure on the bowling.
I suggest this would mean playing Rashid and dropping Ballance.
Edit; Ryder's start included taking 26 of Hazlewood's first over; five 4's and a 6. Ouch!
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