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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jun 18, 2015 20:39:16 GMT
Chalobah looks class. And Redmond playing well good shot just then. Redmond stayed in the dressing room at half time? Toss second half from most English, Chalobah looked class tho
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 18, 2015 20:49:36 GMT
Is it only me that doesn't understand the hype around Will Hughes? Not at all. Tony pulis would agree with you
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 18, 2015 20:50:21 GMT
Chalobah looks class. And Redmond playing well good shot just then. Redmond stayed in the dressing room at half time? Toss second half from most English, Chalobah looked class tho Agreed, first time I've seen Carvalho play and he looked insane. Different gravy.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 18, 2015 20:51:33 GMT
Chalobah looks class. And Redmond playing well good shot just then. Redmond stayed in the dressing room at half time? Toss second half from most English, Chalobah looked class tho Would that be the same chalobah who couldn't get into a Burnley midfield comprising talents such as David Jones, Matty Taylor, Ross Wallace, dean marney and Michael kightly?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jun 18, 2015 20:53:32 GMT
Is it only me that doesn't understand the hype around Will Hughes? Not at all. Tony pulis would agree with you Alot of Derby fans don't understand the hype either and with Lingard after his performances last season on loan.Yet more overhyped young footballers who will all go on to be millionaires,scandalous really
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 18, 2015 20:54:10 GMT
Redmond stayed in the dressing room at half time? Toss second half from most English, Chalobah looked class tho Agreed, first time I've seen Carvalho play and he looked insane. Different gravy. He looks an absolute beast, just the kind of player Arsenal need.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 20:58:56 GMT
don't agree at all with the negativity here. They had Carvalho, and the lad from Monaco in their midfield, a bit like us calling in Wilshire and Ox-Chamberlain, and the likes of Chalobah aquitted themselves well. There is not much difference, it is just that the likes of Chalobah have to play in a high pressure league where they won't get chances because of their age, and omeone like a Sean Dyche will give that chance instead to average journeymen with 'experience'.
Our youngsters don't get first team chances at the right stage of their development, eg Gerrard was given first team footy from 17. The difference was between the respective midfields - Carvalho - and how he managed the game for a half hour spell.
Otherwise there was little difference and England created plenty of opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 21:03:58 GMT
So, even at U21 level, English players who 'look the part' in their respective club sides, get out to a tournament and look like they've never played football before. Not just 'don't play well' - but look completely out of their depth, with some bits of shockingly bad play. What is it that causes our 'talented footballers' to look shite on the big stage? I don't think we watched the same game. Where we lack AT ALL LEVELS OF INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL is tactical awareness/game management. The manager made a shit substitution when the game was very even, which disrupted our midfield and allowed Portugal to control the tempo for a crucial period. They got a scrappy offside goal. Otherwise, the game was even with England creating the better opportunities. Portugal were technically excellent with two top level midfielders but didn't really threaten and got a flukey goal. Southgate's intervention there to turn the momentum against his own team was England senior management material, I'm sure he will be primed as a successor to Roy Hodgson. Almost as bad as Stuart Pearce when he was in charge, another failure as a coach and a manager hoisted upon our promising youngsters
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 18, 2015 21:05:51 GMT
I didn't even relies tom Carroll was playing until I've just seen the team sheet on twitter
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 18, 2015 22:06:45 GMT
Not allowed on here. England are wank remember? That includes the Under 21s, and everyone who plays for them is a cunt. I'm cheering for the opposition because it means I'm a better Stoke fan. What a Moby. Why does it include the u21's? Managed by a nice decent honest bloke. I'm being sarcastic you doofus.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 18, 2015 22:36:25 GMT
What a Moby. Why does it include the u21's? Managed by a nice decent honest bloke. I'm being sarcastic you doofus. Sorry Moby. Me bad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2015 16:09:45 GMT
Still makes no sense that we haven't taken Wilshere, Chambo etc.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 19, 2015 16:15:32 GMT
Still makes no sense that we haven't taken Wilshere, Chambo etc. Suppose it would have been unfair on the players that got them to the finals. Also, although it would be nice to win it, the tournament is all about player development. I don't think players like Wilshere who are full internationals would benefit much from being there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2015 16:19:18 GMT
Still makes no sense that we haven't taken Wilshere, Chambo etc. Suppose it would have been unfair on the players that got them to the finals. Also, although it would be nice to win it, the tournament is all about player development. I don't think players like Wilshere who are full internationals would benefit much from being there. There's no room for sentiment in football, it's decisions like this that hinder us in the long run. They wouldn't benefit by playing together in a decent tournament? Of course they would. The more time on the pitch they can get to together (Wilshere, Sterling, Chambo etc) the better. Woy will complain that they haven't had enough it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 16:26:53 GMT
Redmond stayed in the dressing room at half time? Toss second half from most English, Chalobah looked class tho Would that be the same chalobah who couldn't get into a Burnley midfield comprising talents such as David Jones, Matty Taylor, Ross Wallace, dean marney and Michael kightly? I thought Chalobah looked pretty decent too. Dare I say it, I thought there was more than a hint of N'Zonzi about him, the way he moves and passes the ball. A long way for him to go to reach N'Zonzi standard, I hasten to add. Plenty of time for him to turn into the next David Prutton.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 19, 2015 16:32:45 GMT
Would that be the same chalobah who couldn't get into a Burnley midfield comprising talents such as David Jones, Matty Taylor, Ross Wallace, dean marney and Michael kightly? I thought Chalobah looked pretty decent too. Dare I say it, I thought there was more than a hint of N'Zonzi about him, the way he moves and passes the ball. A long way for him to go to reach N'Zonzi standard, I hasten to add. Plenty of time for him to turn into the next David Prutton. Thought the same tbh about him being similar to nzonzi, not quite the same level but very similar I'd be happy to get him for the right price
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 19, 2015 17:45:22 GMT
Suppose it would have been unfair on the players that got them to the finals. Also, although it would be nice to win it, the tournament is all about player development. I don't think players like Wilshere who are full internationals would benefit much from being there. There's no room for sentiment in football, it's decisions like this that hinder us in the long run. They wouldn't benefit by playing together in a decent tournament? Of course they would. The more time on the pitch they can get to together (Wilshere, Sterling, Chambo etc) the better. Woy will complain that they haven't had enough it! How could exposing players with little or no international experience to tournament football hinder us in the long run? Picking players who already play international football for the full side in an u21's is much more likely to hinder us in the long run. Wilshere plays regularly in the Premier League, has played in 2 FA cup finals, the champions league and a World Cup finals, sending him to play for the u21s would be of no benefit to him whatsoever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2015 17:57:27 GMT
There's no room for sentiment in football, it's decisions like this that hinder us in the long run. They wouldn't benefit by playing together in a decent tournament? Of course they would. The more time on the pitch they can get to together (Wilshere, Sterling, Chambo etc) the better. Woy will complain that they haven't had enough it! How could exposing players with little or no international experience to tournament football hinder us in the long run? Picking players who already play international football for the full side in an u21's is much more likely to hinder us in the long run. Wilshere plays regularly in the Premier League, has played in 2 FA cup finals, the champions league and a World Cup finals, sending him to play for the u21s would be of no benefit to him whatsoever. Because we need our best players getting that experience, half of these (being generous probably) will never really be good enough, Sterling, Wilshere, Chambo lack playing time, they lack tournament experience and they need to play together more. It's short termism and something England thrives in, our star players always miss tournaments like this because the clubs are so small minded. This current German side was given birth at the U-21 tournament, it's valuable experience. We do it at every level though, when we qualify for the U-20 World Cup (a tournament most of the world take very seriously, we usually end up taking a host of never bes). He doesn't play regularly at all, he's an injury prone twat who's only played more than 25 leagues in a season once! He needs game time, he needs tournament time and playing with players who should form the backbone of the England side in the next 10 years. We don't think strategically. This could be our side in this tournament, all of them stand a chance to play regularly for England; Butland Jenkinson Stones Jones Shaw Wilshere Chalobah Ward-Prowse Chambo Kane Sterling And it's a bloody excellent side. Moore? Gibson? Garbutt Maybe future squad players. Not great though. I like Redmond but will he ever be an England regular? Probably not. Carroll and Lingard? It's sub rate to what we should be taking to these tournaments!
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 21, 2015 14:48:32 GMT
Good to see Pritchard get his chance, but where is Ward-Prowse?? Is he injured?
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 21, 2015 14:49:14 GMT
I would have dropped Carroll tbh, he was anonymous first game.
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Post by Davef on Jun 21, 2015 15:31:22 GMT
John Guidetti starting for Sweden.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2015 18:49:49 GMT
Goaarrnnn Jack. Put us in the semis.
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Post by maxplonk on Jun 24, 2015 19:00:13 GMT
Ings should at least have been on target
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 19:00:59 GMT
Shit or bust tonight -pure and simple
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Post by discokaraoke on Jun 24, 2015 19:02:09 GMT
Anyone got a stream?
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Post by 2004 on Jun 24, 2015 19:03:16 GMT
Shit shot from Ings
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Post by sportsman on Jun 24, 2015 19:03:34 GMT
Some of the passing is shocking.
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Post by Davef on Jun 24, 2015 19:07:30 GMT
Some of the passing is shocking. The biggest culprit is Chalobah. Has he found a white shirt yet? Appalling.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 24, 2015 19:08:24 GMT
Chalobah is utter gash, he makes Whelan look like Xavi.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 19:12:26 GMT
Sould've had that Jack - well in fact - both of them --fook
Bego DO NOT LEAVE !
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