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Post by dave77 on Jun 17, 2015 6:14:16 GMT
Now we have four strikers (Crouch, Diouf, Joselu and Walters) and we only play with one. What we needed IMO was a right back, two wingers and possibly a N'zonzi replacement. 8M Euros for a player that we didnt really need considering the formation Hughes plays is a poor piece of business IMO. Even if Joselu turns out to be a good signing (which isnt a sure thing by a 1000 miles) its still a player we didnt need.
Its still alot to happen though (Bego and N'zonzi out?), if that happens it will give us alot of funds to strengthen in the positions we need. And the big question ofc, WILL KONOPLYANKA SIGN FOR US? Man I've never felt like this during a silly season, its alot of agony but at the same time exciting as hell.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 17, 2015 6:52:28 GMT
Walters is more of a winger these days though, so that left just two- Diouf and Crouch, the latter of whom is 34 years old.
We needed another striker.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 17, 2015 6:55:27 GMT
Hughes didn't go out and think "I know what I'm going to sign a striker that we don't need".
I'm sure he has plans for our remaining strikers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 7:15:43 GMT
Hughes didn't go out and think "I know what I'm going to sign a striker that we don't need". I'm sure he has plans for our remaining strikers. You would think that people would realise by now that he knows what he is doing. |
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 17, 2015 8:08:00 GMT
The 6-1 hammering of Liverpool shouldn't mask the fact that we need to score more goals if we are to keep on an upward curve. To go into the season with Diouf as our main striker with the ageing Crouch Walters and Odem would have been very worrying and a concern that Hughes thinks that would be good enough. Thankfully he has already addressed that with the new signing. Lets hope he makes a significant contribution to the goals scored column.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 8:14:11 GMT
Perhaps we will go for 4-3-1-2 ? With Bojan sitting behind Joselu and Diouf. Solid CM and two quick "wingers" who track back. We may not miss Zonz as much as some would think.
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Post by foster on Jun 17, 2015 9:04:58 GMT
Now we have four strikers (Crouch, Diouf, Joselu and Walters) and we only play with one. What we needed IMO was a right back, two wingers and possibly a N'zonzi replacement. 8M Euros for a player that we didnt really need considering the formation Hughes plays is a poor piece of business IMO. Even if Joselu turns out to be a good signing (which isnt a sure thing by a 1000 miles) its still a player we didnt need. Its still alot to happen though (Bego and N'zonzi out?), if that happens it will give us alot of funds to strengthen in the positions we need. And the big question ofc, WILL KONOPLYANKA SIGN FOR US? Man I've never felt like this during a silly season, its alot of agony but at the same time exciting as hell. Couldn't care less about Kono. It's probably one of the least exciting links I've ever seen on here. Buying Joselu isn't poor business either. You'll have to wait until the windows closed before making a judgment call like that. We have no idea who is still to come in or go out. |
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Post by larstoke on Jun 17, 2015 9:08:26 GMT
Exciting times indeed! But don't be so hard on the Joselu deal as it may well be a great one! we will just have to wait and see.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jun 17, 2015 9:11:41 GMT
Maybe Jossy up front and MBD as a wide man? With Moses/Arnie and Bojan then all four front positions could be interchangeable making it really tricky to mark?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 9:18:27 GMT
Perhaps we will go for 4-3-1-2 ? With Bojan sitting behind Joselu and Diouf. Solid CM and two quick "wingers" who track back. We may not miss Zonz as much as some would think. You play too much FIFA, a 4-1-2-1-2 with wingers would be destroyed in real life |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 10:10:20 GMT
Perhaps we will go for 4-3-1-2 ? With Bojan sitting behind Joselu and Diouf. Solid CM and two quick "wingers" who track back. We may not miss Zonz as much as some would think. You play too much FIFA, a 4-1-2-1-2 with wingers would be destroyed in real life Never played FIFA and no it wouldn't. I said "wingers" as more attacking midfielders. We have the capacity to do very well as a quick counter attacking side. Effectively eight defenders most of the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 10:15:55 GMT
You play too much FIFA, a 4-1-2-1-2 with wingers would be destroyed in real life Never played FIFA and no it wouldn't. I said "wingers" as more attacking midfielders. We have the capacity to do very well as a quick counter attacking side. Effectively eight defenders most of the time. So you'd play one holding mid, a back 4 and then the rest are essentially attacking or atleast wide players. We'd be destroyed in the midfield, any team would |
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Post by Gods on Jun 17, 2015 10:18:02 GMT
I don't think we are going to agree an extension with Odemwingie.
I have no evidence of that whatsoever but the fact that we have not done so yet, the Joselu signing and our continued interest in other forward options makes me think it's not going to happen.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Jun 17, 2015 10:19:15 GMT
Perhaps we will go for 4-3-1-2 ? With Bojan sitting behind Joselu and Diouf. Solid CM and two quick "wingers" who track back. We may not miss Zonz as much as some would think. Interesting thought but I doubt it would work in the Prem. The last sentence however is a load of tripe! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 10:30:45 GMT
Never played FIFA and no it wouldn't. I said "wingers" as more attacking midfielders. We have the capacity to do very well as a quick counter attacking side. Effectively eight defenders most of the time. So you'd play one holding mid, a back 4 and then the rest are essentially attacking or atleast wide players. We'd be destroyed in the midfield, any team would I say 4-1-3-2 and you say 4-1-2-1-2: I say tomato you say apples. Rigid formations have never worked, football is a fluid game and successful teams adapt to the pressure from their opponents. For most of history the standard formation was 2-3-5, but what were inside-forwards dropped back. 4-4-2, 4-3-3 all have their place but all players these days need the ability to defend. Joselu and Diouf could be the ideal partnership, Bojan is the playmaker, we then need players with the ability to attack down the flanks. Call the formations whatever you want that is how the game ends up being played. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 10:40:34 GMT
So you'd play one holding mid, a back 4 and then the rest are essentially attacking or atleast wide players. We'd be destroyed in the midfield, any team would I say 4-1-3-2 and you say 4-1-2-1-2: I say tomato you say apples. Rigid formations have never worked, football is a fluid game and successful teams adapt to the pressure from their opponents. For most of history the standard formation was 2-3-5, but what were inside-forwards dropped back. 4-4-2, 4-3-3 all have their place but all players these days need the ability to defend. Joselu and Diouf could be the ideal partnership, Bojan is the playmaker, we then need players with the ability to attack down the flanks. Call the formations whatever you want that is how the game ends up being played. My point is regardless of what you call the formation it's comical that you think any team could play it. you can't have one central midfielder you'd get torn to pieces. I feel like I must misunderstand you because if you're talking about playing the team I think you are then I honestly think you're mad and would really question your judgement. So to clarify are you suggesting we play something like this... Joselu - Diouf Bojan Arnie SJW/Moses Fonz Erik Muni Ryan G-Cam Bego Obviously not necessarily those players but I'm just using them as symbolism for their positions. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 11:02:25 GMT
I say 4-1-3-2 and you say 4-1-2-1-2: I say tomato you say apples. Rigid formations have never worked, football is a fluid game and successful teams adapt to the pressure from their opponents. For most of history the standard formation was 2-3-5, but what were inside-forwards dropped back. 4-4-2, 4-3-3 all have their place but all players these days need the ability to defend. Joselu and Diouf could be the ideal partnership, Bojan is the playmaker, we then need players with the ability to attack down the flanks. Call the formations whatever you want that is how the game ends up being played. My point is regardless of what you call the formation it's comical that you think any team could play it. you can't have one central midfielder you'd get torn to pieces. I feel like I must misunderstand you because if you're talking about playing the team I think you are then I honestly think you're mad and would really question your judgement. So to clarify are you suggesting we play something like this... Joselu - Diouf Bojan Arnie SJW/Moses Fonz Erik Muni Ryan G-Cam Bego Obviously not necessarily those players but I'm just using them as symbolism for their positions. Yes but an upgraded Whelan where you have Moses. An old fashioned half-back. Its 4-4-2 tweaked, still eight potential defenders most of the time unless we are attacking. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 17, 2015 11:04:37 GMT
How can a right sided midfielder be an upgraded Whelan? Surely you're talking about a player like Milner or Sissoko?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 11:09:58 GMT
My point is regardless of what you call the formation it's comical that you think any team could play it. you can't have one central midfielder you'd get torn to pieces. I feel like I must misunderstand you because if you're talking about playing the team I think you are then I honestly think you're mad and would really question your judgement. So to clarify are you suggesting we play something like this... Joselu - Diouf Bojan Arnie SJW/Moses Fonz Erik Muni Ryan G-Cam Bego Obviously not necessarily those players but I'm just using them as symbolism for their positions. Yes but an upgraded Whelan where you have Moses. An old fashioned half-back. Its 4-4-2 tweaked, still eight potential defenders most of the time unless we are attacking. Defending centrally and defending out wide are completely different though, also Whelan out wide would be worse then death. I've never seen a team play like that as their default formation in recent years that I can think of, there's a reason for that. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 17, 2015 11:12:54 GMT
I think Joselu needs to bed down before we see how we might set up. Let's face it, Bojan won't be ready for the beginning of the season, so we may go two up top of play Diouf wide. More importantly, if N'Zonzi leaves we need to replace him with a high calibre player.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 11:19:43 GMT
Yes but an upgraded Whelan where you have Moses. An old fashioned half-back. Its 4-4-2 tweaked, still eight potential defenders most of the time unless we are attacking. Defending centrally and defending out wide are completely different though, also Whelan out wide would be worse then death. I've never seen a team play like that as their default formation in recent years that I can think of, there's a reason for that. I give up on this. We clearly disagree mainly because you unfortunately persist in misquoting. You chose to set out the "team" you did which you said was for purposes of illustration . I never suggested we use Whelan out wide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 11:23:07 GMT
Defending centrally and defending out wide are completely different though, also Whelan out wide would be worse then death. I've never seen a team play like that as their default formation in recent years that I can think of, there's a reason for that. I give up on this. We clearly disagree mainly because you unfortunately persist in misquoting. You chose to set out the "team" you did which you said was for purposes of illustration . I never suggested we use Whelan out wide. I wasn't trying to misquote it was the way you came across. Help me understand then and post the starting lineup that you would play in this formation and their positions/roles |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 17, 2015 11:23:30 GMT
Defending centrally and defending out wide are completely different though, also Whelan out wide would be worse then death. I've never seen a team play like that as their default formation in recent years that I can think of, there's a reason for that. I give up on this. We clearly disagree mainly because you unfortunately persist in misquoting. You chose to set out the "team" you did which you said was for purposes of illustration . I never suggested we use Whelan out wide. So why bring Whelan into it? Basically, you're advocating dropping Whelan and playing N'Zonzi out of position as a sole defensive midfielder. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 17, 2015 11:27:37 GMT
I give up on this. We clearly disagree mainly because you unfortunately persist in misquoting. You chose to set out the "team" you did which you said was for purposes of illustration . I never suggested we use Whelan out wide. So why bring Whelan into it? Basically, you're advocating dropping Whelan and playing N'Zonzi out of position as a sole defensive midfielder. Read it again. No I didn't |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 11:29:20 GMT
Joselu - Diouf
Bojan
Arnie SJW/Moses
Fonz
Erik Muni Ryan G-Cam
Bego
To be fair that's a fine side, I would still like a replacement RB if possible but I can live with this. My only concern is could Fonzy provide enough cover ? at home OK but away he will need some support.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 17, 2015 12:14:29 GMT
We can see the line-up for ourselves, but as has been said, that puts N'Zonzi in a position which isn't his best and, according to Stokiejoe, sees us introduce a combative right sided midfielder yet to sign.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 17, 2015 12:22:49 GMT
At least one of Crouch, Wingy and Walters will probably leave now Joselu has signed. We needed to upgrade the strike force with all those 3 over 30. We also need more than 2 strikers even though we only play with 1!!! It is a long season, with suspensions and injuries to come. I think Joselu will fight with Diouf for the starting spot.
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Post by PotterEd on Jun 17, 2015 13:31:46 GMT
Fair bit of work to be done, assuming N'Zonzi does go this summer. I'm inclined to trust Hughes, as in the 2 years he's been here, he's hardly put a foot wrong when it comes to transfers. Dembele could be a good replacement for N'Zonzi, likes to play from deep and get play going. Equal lack of end product too. Maybe Sergi Roberto? I don't know if he's that kind of player though. If Konoplyanka does arrive then that's the winger sorted. Otherwise, if Moha comes then I'd be happy for us to start with one of the wingers we have now and ease him in. And Joselu could well be the striker - seems more mobile than Crouch (not saying much) and pace is very much key considering the way we now attack.
All in all, exciting times. Below is what I'd like to see....
Butland
New RB
Shawcross
Muniesa
Pieters
Whelan
New CM
Diouf
Bojan
Arnie/New Winger
Joselu/New CF
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jun 17, 2015 17:19:21 GMT
This is ridiculous, news changes daily, more posters claiming ITK status  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 17, 2015 17:27:59 GMT
If NZonzi goes I'd hope for
......................Jack.....................
New RB...Ryan....Muni........Eric
............Charlie......New DM........
Moses ..........Bojan.............Kono
......................Mame.....................
With Charlie swapping with Glen when we play away. For me Joselu needs to be eased in gradually.
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