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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 25, 2015 6:37:15 GMT
If he's going, from our perspective, it's all about the fee, I don't really care where he goes. From his perspective, it started out being about CL football, but which CL team is lining him up as their No 1? So that leaves him back at Stoke. But I'm guessing we won't guarantee him the no 1 spot and he won't sign a new deal; sounds a bit messy for everyone. So he's not going to hang around here and the best off is his only option. It could be that he's been persuaded by Sherwood that Villla are on the verge of great things. I don't know who else Villa have bought, but they are going to need about half a new team if they are going to reverse years of under investment and bad buying decisions. Yes, that's how I see it.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 25, 2015 6:38:40 GMT
Here's to you asmir begovic You're looking more stupid day by day, hey, hey, hey.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 25, 2015 6:46:23 GMT
If we can get close to £10m, when he only has one more year left on his contract, for me that's great business.
Butland is still young and with game time will turn into a fantastic player. He could be our number one for years.
As above, I couldn't care less where Bego ends up. If he's going, he's going, simple as.
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Post by Binndy on Jun 25, 2015 6:48:05 GMT
It sell to buy.we cant keep both players happy.Butland is less wages.Please dont blame Begovic.He can be the main gk at the villa or 2nd at chelsea and we know Begovic loves to play.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2015 6:51:06 GMT
A move to Villa Park would also allow Begovic's family to remain in North Staffordshire after setting down roots here following his move to Stoke five-and-a-half years ago.
He might also see Villa as a better launching pad long term towards a Champions League club.
I wouldn't mind Spinksy talking me through this line?
We know they're a "big club" - but the only things Bego need concern himself with are a.) their cash and b.) their likely performance on the pitch over the next 5 years.
European Cups in the 80s don't count for much when you're a car crash and even your manager's dead cat bounce has worn off judging by their end of the season.
Let's face it, if he goes there, it's because we have effectively withdrawn from new contract talks with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 6:51:13 GMT
If he's going, from our perspective, it's all about the fee, I don't really care where he goes. From his perspective, it started out being about CL football, but which CL team is lining him up as their No 1? So that leaves him back at Stoke. But I'm guessing we won't guarantee him the no 1 spot and he won't sign a new deal; sounds a bit messy for everyone. So he's not going to hang around here and the best off is his only option. It could be that he's been persuaded by Sherwood that Villla are on the verge of great things. I don't know who else Villa have bought, but they are going to need about half a new team if they are going to reverse years of under investment and bad buying decisions. Spot on mate. If he's going I don't really care where he goes. His head has seemingly been elsewhere for a while anyway.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 25, 2015 6:51:51 GMT
It sell to buy.we cant keep both players happy.Butland is less wages.Please dont blame Begovic.He can be the main gk at the villa or 2nd at chelsea and we know Begovic loves to play. He was and could have been the main keeper at the stoke. Sorry got to blame him unless he goes to European club.
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Post by StokeAz on Jun 25, 2015 6:54:15 GMT
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Post by liamo on Jun 25, 2015 6:55:15 GMT
It sell to buy.we cant keep both players happy.Butland is less wages.Please dont blame Begovic.He can be the main gk at the villa or 2nd at chelsea and we know Begovic loves to play. He was and could have been the main keeper at the stoke. Sorry got to blame him unless he goes to European club. And then we'd lose Butland who our club obviously see as the better option, short term and long term or we'd be doing everything to keep Begovic and we'd be letting Butland go
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 25, 2015 7:00:00 GMT
If it is true and it seems to be he has gone down in my estimation. Understand players wanting European football and trophies but this is an odd choice. Stoke are on the verge of breaking through which Is more than can be said for Villa. Foolish in my opinion but the next few seasons will prove who is right.
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Post by Binndy on Jun 25, 2015 7:03:01 GMT
Know way Jamo.He and his family are happy where they are. New players coming in want top money.so does Begovic and who can blame him. We have got to have a wage structure. Haugaard for sorensen and Begovic. Wollscheid for well paid Huth. N zonI off because his wage demands are too high. It fair enough .Stoke are trying to put together a quality young side within a wage structure.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2015 7:03:07 GMT
If it is true and it seems to be he has gone down in my estimation. Understand players wanting European football and trophies but this is an odd choice. Stoke are on the verge of breaking through which Is more than can be said for Villa. Foolish in my opinion but the next few seasons will prove who is right. Can't see it being his choice, in as much as our offer of continuing here as things were probably isn't on the table? Sounds like there's been a fallout, we've had to make a decisive call between Butland and Begovic- and after months of scouring Europe for his best destination, he and his agent..... may end up at Villa. Sad all 'round.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 25, 2015 7:06:00 GMT
If it is true and it seems to be he has gone down in my estimation. Understand players wanting European football and trophies but this is an odd choice. Stoke are on the verge of breaking through which Is more than can be said for Villa. Foolish in my opinion but the next few seasons will prove who is right. Can't see it being his choice. Sounds like there's been a fallout, we've had to make a decisive call between Butland and Begovic- and after months of scouring Europe for his best destination, he and his agent..... may end up at Villa. Sad all 'round. You will understand if I hope that what you say isn't true. Sadly it has the ring of truth about it. We need to keep the team spirit sound.
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Post by stoke4eva on Jun 25, 2015 7:07:11 GMT
For me this confirms it 100% that he is going villa.
My contact was adament to the point were he put money on it. Chances are i wont get any more info from him but i will ask the question today.
Moving on... Why Villa?? It does no make sense! Either..
1- villa have had an influx of money and promised bego big signings. 2 - villa have offered him twice has much (i doubt it) 3 - we have told bego we are not accepting bids from top clubs (dont understand why) 4 - by leaking he's off to villa this might push chelsea along in the deal, meaning we get moses quicker?
Totally bizzare
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 25, 2015 7:09:08 GMT
If Villa really are serious players in this, we must have reached the stage where we are now actively looking to move him on and have decided this is handover time to Butland, surely? Can't get my head around this at all I think Villa would come into play from Asmir and Stoke's point of view because the interest in him has been far less than the player was expecting. People aren't stupid, they will know he's had a shaky season and a really big club are unlikely to make a player whose had a poor season their new number one. Asmir's actions have backed himself into a corner with his veiled rhetoric about not knowing what the future holds and all that jazz, so signing a new deal here would be hard for him to swallow. If only you'd kept your eye on the ball during the past season, you had the world at your feet. Instead (and not for the first time) he let speculation affect his game. And that's the crux of it if this becomes reality. He thought he'd be gone last season and he wasn't. He thought he'd get his big move this summer and seemingly not a single top club want him. Asmir had a poor season and seemingly he rates himself higher than anyone else seems to. I'm in the "good riddance camp" on this one and have been for some time. If he goes to villa, it tells you everything you need to know about him.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 25, 2015 7:09:15 GMT
Fuming, I want to play at the highest level bullshit!!!!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 25, 2015 7:09:51 GMT
Know way Jamo.He and his family are happy where they are. New players coming in want top money.so does Begovic and who can blame him. We have got to have a wage structure. Haugaard for sorensen and Begovic. Wollscheid for well paid Huth. N zonI off because his wage demands are too high. It fair enough .Stoke are trying to put together a quality young side within a wage structure. Sorry mate you've lost me. Which bit are you saying "no way" to?
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jun 25, 2015 7:13:04 GMT
Its a shame that his time with us is ending this way
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Post by meirparkpotter on Jun 25, 2015 7:15:29 GMT
Can't be right surely?... I'm sure a keeper of Begos stature would have offers from elsewhere in Europe that he could at least go to to save some face! If Bego ends up at Villa, then Christ almighty!
Like people have said, maybe, just maybe, we haven't guaranteed him the no1 shirt, Chelsea won't, but Villa have, will match or exceed his current rate, and he can stay where he is house wise...
But Christ on a bike, surely not... It's fucking Villa!
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 25, 2015 7:16:30 GMT
I still think he will go to Chelsea.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 25, 2015 7:22:25 GMT
Hes thrown his toys out of the pram a couple of times now. (Refusing to play against Shrewsbury, and refusing to sit on the bench at the end of this season)
For sure he thinks that hes better than he really is.
Been a good keeper but I wont remember him particularly fondly as a proper Stokie.
Im totally not surprised he has ended up with a sideways move. Hes been poor for 12 to 18 and his Opta stats (Saves to goals conceded ratio) was in the bottom 4 or 5 goalkeepers last season.
I like the look Butland who has bided his time with us patiently and deserves a go as the number 1.
10m will do for Begovic
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 25, 2015 7:22:56 GMT
Spinks should be ashamed of that piece of journalism, it's all based on something he's heard from some local journo in Birmingham, absolutely shocking.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 25, 2015 7:27:29 GMT
They are a bigger club than us (Villa) and if Sherwood gets them going they have the potential to make the Europa League consistently in the future. That said, we are closer to it than them at the moment and with more strengthening possible we look favourites to "stay ahead of the game" for the forseeable future. However, take all that away and strip it back to the bare components then you have to laugh at the lad in all honesty. He's kind of shot for the stars and fell face first into the patio. Villa have a betetr history and were bigger when gate receipts mattered but now with TV money and our backing, it is hard to see they have more potential than Stoke
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Post by 2004 on Jun 25, 2015 7:28:09 GMT
That's what you get for being an arsehole Asmir. He could have concentrated on having a solid season with us rather than throwing hissy fits and generally being poor just because he didn't get his big move. The club obviously want him to leave and Villa must have put a good (the only) offer in. Champions League club my arse.
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Post by breakonthrough on Jun 25, 2015 7:29:32 GMT
Can't see villa move happening if reports are to be believed thought he would only leave for champions league?!. I think this may be a ploy to bring out other teams and make them aware that bidding is set to begin and to start the bidding, in order to raise the bids. It suits us and also villa as it makes them feel a bit more big time
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Post by feynmann2 on Jun 25, 2015 7:29:57 GMT
Hes thrown his toys out of the pram a couple of times now. (Refusing to play against Shrewsbury, and refusing to sit on the bench at the end of this season) For sure he thinks that hes better than he really is. Been a good keeper but I wont remember him particularly fondly as a proper Stokie. Im totally not surprised he has ended up with a sideways move. Hes been poor for 12 to 18 and his Opta stats (Saves to goals conceded ratio) was in the bottom 4 or 5 goalkeepers last season. I like the look Butland who has bided his time with us patiently and deserves a go as the number 1. 10m will do for Begovic As I posted on the Mark Hughes thread, I'm beginning to think that we are starting to see Hughes ruthless side. Huth's twitter faux pas, Begos refusal to sit on the bench and Nzonzi's whining dad are all being dealt with by shipping them out - or at least not negotiating too hard on new deals...on the one hand it can be seen to be working in that the clubs they are being linked with haven't done as well as us recently, however there does seem to be a risk that we will be seen as not being able to hold on to our stars even when similar sized clubs come calling...its a really difficult balancing act I think
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Post by jeycov on Jun 25, 2015 7:30:33 GMT
Can't see it being his choice. Sounds like there's been a fallout, we've had to make a decisive call between Butland and Begovic- and after months of scouring Europe for his best destination, he and his agent..... may end up at Villa. Sad all 'round. You will understand if I hope that what you say isn't true. Sadly it has the ring of truth about it. We need to keep the team spirit sound. Agree - we need to retain the team spirit Bojan and Muniesa seem to be very happy here, speaking positively of the atmosphere around the place - a great advert for attracting better players to join. We also need to retain the core of players who are part of this, Shawcross, Crouch, Pieters, Cameron, Whelan, Adam .... their input both on and off the pitch should not be underestimated. If Bego and N'Zonzi are rocking the boat' with their demands then sadly we have to let them go
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Post by foster on Jun 25, 2015 7:31:12 GMT
Villa are in decline and we're on the up. I have no understanding for him if he goes there, unless they offer a lot of money and it's our decision.
Even so, I can't see them doing better than us next season and hope they go down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 7:37:35 GMT
It was always going to be difficult for Bego to find a big club that fits his requirements this summer - he's has a dodgy season, and his wife probably needs to stay in the area for her sporting career.
Asmir probably made the decision to move on last summer. Stoke probably tried to get him to sign a contract last season, failed, and moved their focus to Butland. Butland playing away at Swansea, and Begovic's non appearance on the bench suggests tension of some degree.
I wouldn't be surprised if Begovic turned up at Spurs, Crouch seems to manage the north London commute OK. But at the moment it seems that Asmir has a choice of Villa or Chelsea's bench. Stoke are now planning without him and there is probably little prospect of a lucrative contract or first team assurances from us.
He'll say all the right things but if he ends up at Villa I'm sure he'll be kicking himself for not signing a new contract at Stoke.
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Post by tuum on Jun 25, 2015 7:40:50 GMT
If he even considered going there he's an absolute bulb and purely motivated by a bigger new contract. Not necessarily. If Stoke are looking to flog him then what choice does have? Does he want to stay at Stoke as 2nd choice (assuming we have already made the decision,rightly or wrongly,to make Butland the No.1). I dont think this saga is clear cut at all. I have no idea who is driving this..SCFC or Bego.
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