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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 10, 2015 21:11:32 GMT
Just to add to my taxi driving analogy, you could, with a little bit of luck, persuade your wife to take on a day shift as well. In that way you could maintain or even increase your current day to day spending which Harry correctly identifies as a major part of the problem, being as it is currently in excess of your income. It's about how hard you work your assets. <winky> Time to sell those old Beefheart albums Skanks. It's over let go. I'll go hungry first mate. I have in the past! Hopefully it's not likely again. I'm relatively poor but independently so. That makes me at least secure in my poverty - if that makes any sense. I'll find some you some decent Miles Davis tomorrow. <smiley>
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:11:57 GMT
But would Corbyns appointment attract back to the party those 'floating voters' who have in a very short space of time voted for all shades of the political rainbow in gay abandonment of any real loyalty or compassion of socialism . I'm talking about people who change their vote on a whim . One minute 'Liberal'....the next ' Green' etc for no other reason than their mood at the time. Let's get one thing absolutely piggin straight here. Corbyn is so far left of the party , his local launderette is in the west of Moscow. His local restaurant maybe a culinary masterpiece of ethnic diversity and hence his popularity standing within the bowels of Islington is unblemished .A rich and colourful character whose roots eminate from Shropshire no less... This man is about as electable as is Boris Johnson to that of the Tories. If you want to stand absolutely no sodding chance of winning anything then put him in charge .! If his politics is what is most important to you .....then do eet.....a younger version of Michael Foot or Tony Benn . I fucking give up .....I am bereft of useful adjectives to describe my dismay for some people's lack of understanding of politics . THERES NO POINT BACKING CORBYN IF YOU WANT TO WIN ANYTHING. It's a big wide world out there chaps ....and if Labour want to effect change then you need to 'be in it , to win it' . We need centre or middle ground Labour MP's not Stalinists on a path of political self destruction . It needs to be a modern party for modern problems . Problems like falling education standards , lack of social housing , rising university fees , massive investment in jobs and ABOVE ALL ELSE recognition that the working downtrodden working classes want to see an end to mass migration .They want to see more better paid jobs for indigenous workers .they don't want to see 300,000 foreigners coming every bloody year . This was the policy that founded UKIP and its FOUR MILLION voters.... My comments by the way are not simply an opinion ...they are a FACT Please don't take my word for it ....read the broadsheets . They're all saying the same ....and They're ALL SPOT ON ! Mumf The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. Spot on ......But Einstein in his Fegg Hayes flat doesn't see it . He doesn't want to see it . He'd rather have his gas and electricity cut off . Four million UKIP votes says he wrong .
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:13:37 GMT
You think that this country would get behind Corbyn do you ? I can see the 'blue rinsers' from Home Counties South charging the batteries on their electric scooters as we speak .....racing one another across the South Downs to the local polling station in quaint medieval villages . Hilarious my arse . The only thing that's hilarious is that you find the concept hilarious . I call it fucking defeatist and sad . They need to remove the blinkers, a return to old style socialism would kill off the Labour party completely, appoint Corbyn fuckin great idea .
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:15:04 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn is the only one who should have any business in the Labour party. Suspect Burnham is most likely to win the race and the most likely to blow with the wind later in dodgiest ways. Which *Labour Party? Labour? Real Labour? New Labour? Real New Labour? NeoLabour-X17? (OK...I made the last one up ) But which one will they decide to be? They're like Mr.Benn (the one in the fancy dress shop). ************** it is you isn't it stop pinching my jokes you rascal you, how is Thailand by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:16:32 GMT
You think that this country would get behind Corbyn do you ? I can see the 'blue rinsers' from Home Counties South charging the batteries on their electric scooters as we speak .....racing one another across the South Downs to the local polling station in quaint medieval villages . Hilarious my arse . The only thing that's hilarious is that you find the concept hilarious . I call it fucking defeatist and sad . They need to remove the blinkers, a return to old style socialism would kill off the Labour party completely, appoint Corbyn fuckin great idea . I expect he favours Diane Abbot as his 'second in command '...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:17:55 GMT
Which *Labour Party? Labour? Real Labour? New Labour? Real New Labour? NeoLabour-X17? (OK...I made the last one up ) But which one will they decide to be? They're like Mr.Benn (the one in the fancy dress shop). ************** it is you isn't it stop pinching my jokes you rascal you, how is Thailand by the way. It's not ************** .... It's a ************** substitute ...Ting Tang Tong .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:23:03 GMT
But would Corbyns appointment attract back to the party those 'floating voters' who have in a very short space of time voted for all shades of the political rainbow in gay abandonment of any real loyalty or compassion of socialism . I'm talking about people who change their vote on a whim . One minute 'Liberal'....the next ' Green' etc for no other reason than their mood at the time. Let's get one thing absolutely piggin straight here. Corbyn is so far left of the party , his local launderette is in the west of Moscow. His local restaurant maybe a culinary masterpiece of ethnic diversity and hence his popularity standing within the bowels of Islington is unblemished .A rich and colourful character whose roots eminate from Shropshire no less... This man is about as electable as is Boris Johnson to that of the Tories. If you want to stand absolutely no sodding chance of winning anything then put him in charge .! If his politics is what is most important to you .....then do eet.....a younger version of Michael Foot or Tony Benn . I fucking give up .....I am bereft of useful adjectives to describe my dismay for some people's lack of understanding of politics . THERES NO POINT BACKING CORBYN IF YOU WANT TO WIN ANYTHING. It's a big wide world out there chaps ....and if Labour want to effect change then you need to 'be in it , to win it' . We need centre or middle ground Labour MP's not Stalinists on a path of political self destruction . It needs to be a modern party for modern problems . Problems like falling education standards , lack of social housing , rising university fees , massive investment in jobs and ABOVE ALL ELSE recognition that the working downtrodden working classes want to see an end to mass migration .They want to see more better paid jobs for indigenous workers .they don't want to see 300,000 foreigners coming every bloody year . This was the policy that founded UKIP and its FOUR MILLION voters.... My comments by the way are not simply an opinion ...they are a FACT Please don't take my word for it ....read the broadsheets . They're all saying the same ....and They're ALL SPOT ON ! Mumf The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:26:15 GMT
What is with all this ************** stuff? Can somebody please explain
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:26:17 GMT
They need to remove the blinkers, a return to old style socialism would kill off the Labour party completely, appoint Corbyn fuckin great idea . I expect he favours Diane Abbot as his 'second in command '... but would she really take playing second fiddle to a white person, given her well publicised views on this subject it would make her hypocritical as well as racist and bigoted.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 10, 2015 21:29:53 GMT
The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? Its not about jumping though is it. Most people dont follow the terms left and right. They vote for what appeals to them and in a way thats what should be happening, not this boring ideological following. I can fully understand that people will see the torys as the rich persons party because thats the indications they are giving, however I fail to understand how anyone can assosiate the Labour party with the working person.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 10, 2015 21:30:01 GMT
You think that this country would get behind Corbyn do you ? I can see the 'blue rinsers' from Home Counties South charging the batteries on their electric scooters as we speak .....racing one another across the South Downs to the local polling station in quaint medieval villages . Hilarious my arse . The only thing that's hilarious is that you find the concept hilarious . I call it fucking defeatist and sad . The blue rinsers are not the supporters he seeks and you know this. For an intelligent man you do come across a bit daft sometimes, friend.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 10, 2015 21:32:03 GMT
The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. Spot on ......But Einstein in his Fegg Hayes flat doesn't see it . He doesn't want to see it . He'd rather have his gas and electricity cut off . Four million UKIP votes says he wrong . As I said just now...you do come across as a bit daft sometimes.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:32:43 GMT
The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? I think what happened was that Bliar planted a trampoline(Gormless Gordon), people like myself tested that trampoline and vaulted straight over the middle ground to UKIP as they realised it was the only way to air their views on mass immigration and the effects it has had on the indigenous population of this country, especially the working class population.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:32:54 GMT
The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? You're an intelligent fella ....You know in reality it doesn't work like that. Over the last ten years we have seen a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks , Massive rise in immigration , IS , etc and all the dramatic headlines in the news associated with such stuff. We've also seen great rousing speeches from Farage and the general disillusionment of the British people towards Europe . People simply want to reclaim their national identity and prevent any further dilution. They want to see the country reclaimed . It's not just about a jump from the left to the right ... You may be getting confused with the "Rocky Horror Show "
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:34:55 GMT
What is with all this ************** stuff? Can somebody please explain You are not fooling anyone ************** or is it SONS the MO is a giveaway better behave this time sunshine.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 10, 2015 21:36:40 GMT
I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? You're an intelligent fella ....You know in reality it doesn't work like that. Over the last ten years we have seen a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks , Massive rise in immigration , IS , etc and all the dramatic headlines in the news associated with such stuff. We've also seen great rousing speeches from Farage and the general disillusionment of the British people towards Europe . People simply want to reclaim their national identity and prevent any further dilution. They want to see the country reclaimed . It's not just about a jump from the left to the right ... You may be getting confused with the "Rocky Horror Show " The lyrics to this are apt mumf
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:41:05 GMT
You're an intelligent fella ....You know in reality it doesn't work like that. Over the last ten years we have seen a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks , Massive rise in immigration , IS , etc and all the dramatic headlines in the news associated with such stuff. We've also seen great rousing speeches from Farage and the general disillusionment of the British people towards Europe . People simply want to reclaim their national identity and prevent any further dilution. They want to see the country reclaimed . It's not just about a jump from the left to the right ... You may be getting confused with the "Rocky Horror Show " The lyrics to this are apt mumf Thats the one ....!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 10, 2015 21:41:24 GMT
The left is dying in this country, elect this dinosaur and they will soon be extinct, four million as you say turned to UKIP for a voice, how many of those were disgruntled ex Labour voters ?, I was one of them dyed in the wool Labour supporters even after the Bliar fiasco, no more until they change their on mass immigration that as far as I am concerned is a FACT. I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? There is of course a chance that these four million are roughly the same four million that Blair attracted to Labour in 1997. New Labour weren't left at all, so these voters could be migrating from the centre-right further to the right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:46:49 GMT
I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? There is of course a chance that these four million are roughly the same four million that Blair attracted to Labour in 1997. New Labour weren't left at all, so these voters could be migrating from the centre-right further to the right. Good point ....!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:48:00 GMT
I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? I think what happened was that Bliar planted a trampoline(Gormless Gordon), people like myself tested that trampoline and vaulted straight over the middle ground to UKIP as they realised it was the only way to air their views on mass immigration and the effects it has had on the indigenous population of this country, especially the working class population. The personal political u-turn, a rapid change of view that shall be known henceforth on The Oatcake as "Carpslayer's Trampoline". I like it. I really aren't ************** mate, but there's clearly no point in protesting my innocence with you lot any further. I give up.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:49:58 GMT
I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? There is of course a chance that these four million are roughly the same four million that Blair attracted to Labour in 1997. New Labour weren't left at all, so these voters could be migrating from the centre-right further to the right. Do you really believe that Bliar and is cohorts were further right than the Tories , I would never vote for the Tories but I did opt for UKIP for one reason mass uncontrolled immigration four million people who bothered to vote did the same how do you explain that, please do not blame the press it is a piss poor excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:50:25 GMT
I think what happened was that Bliar planted a trampoline(Gormless Gordon), people like myself tested that trampoline and vaulted straight over the middle ground to UKIP as they realised it was the only way to air their views on mass immigration and the effects it has had on the indigenous population of this country, especially the working class population. The personal political u-turn, a rapid change of view that shall be known henceforth on The Oatcake as "Carpslayer's Trampoline". I like it. I really aren't ************** mate, but there's clearly no point in protesting my innocence with you lot any further. I give up. Oooooo.......OK .... Can we call you Ting Tang Tong as a compromise then ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:51:08 GMT
I can't really believe that disgruntled Labour voters jumped from the left of the UK politic straight to the rightwing of UKIP boys (leaping both the liberal and toryzones in a single bound). That'd be like a going to bed as a vegan and then waking up to a steak tartare and a bloody mary. Surely it was a more general slo-migration to the right? You're an intelligent fella ....You know in reality it doesn't work like that. Over the last ten years we have seen a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks , Massive rise in immigration , IS , etc and all the dramatic headlines in the news associated with such stuff. We've also seen great rousing speeches from Farage and the general disillusionment of the British people towards Europe . People simply want to reclaim their national identity and prevent any further dilution. They want to see the country reclaimed . It's not just about a jump from the left to the right ... You may be getting confused with the "Rocky Horror Show " This really made me laugh: "It's just a jump to the left"... indeed. Have you been bouncing around on "Carpslayer's Trampoline" as well Mumf?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:53:23 GMT
The personal political u-turn, a rapid change of view that shall be known henceforth on The Oatcake as "Carpslayer's Trampoline". I like it. I really aren't ************** mate, but there's clearly no point in protesting my innocence with you lot any further. I give up. Oooooo.......OK .... Can we call you Ting Tang Tong as a compromise then ? I have a feeling that you will most probably do whatever you feel like...
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2015 21:55:05 GMT
I think what happened was that Bliar planted a trampoline(Gormless Gordon), people like myself tested that trampoline and vaulted straight over the middle ground to UKIP as they realised it was the only way to air their views on mass immigration and the effects it has had on the indigenous population of this country, especially the working class population. The personal political u-turn, a rapid change of view that shall be known henceforth on The Oatcake as "Carpslayer's Trampoline". I like it. I really aren't ************** mate, but there's clearly no point in protesting my innocence with you lot any further. I give up. Ok I accept you are not ************** for now, apologies ES I shall however reserve judgment
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 10, 2015 21:59:58 GMT
There is of course a chance that these four million are roughly the same four million that Blair attracted to Labour in 1997. New Labour weren't left at all, so these voters could be migrating from the centre-right further to the right. Do you really believe that Bliar and is cohorts were further right than the Tories , I would never vote for the Tories but I did opt for UKIP for one reason mass uncontrolled immigration four million people who bothered to vote did the same how do you explain that, please do not blame the press it is a piss poor excuse. No, I never said Labour was more right than the Tories. I said it was a smaller step to the right from New Labour to UKIP than the poster suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:16:38 GMT
The personal political u-turn, a rapid change of view that shall be known henceforth on The Oatcake as "Carpslayer's Trampoline". I like it. I really aren't ************** mate, but there's clearly no point in protesting my innocence with you lot any further. I give up. Ok I accept you are not ************** for now, apologies ES I shall however reserve judgment Cheers mate. Reserve away...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 0:49:53 GMT
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 11, 2015 1:26:50 GMT
There is of course a chance that these four million are roughly the same four million that Blair attracted to Labour in 1997. New Labour weren't left at all, so these voters could be migrating from the centre-right further to the right. Do you really believe that Bliar and is cohorts were further right than the Tories , I would never vote for the Tories but I did opt for UKIP for one reason mass uncontrolled immigration four million people who bothered to vote did the same how do you explain that, please do not blame the press it is a piss poor excuse. Quite right, blaming the press is a lazy excuse. I expect racial prejudice played a part for a small minority. Not you obviously. You have explained your reasoned decision at length occasionally.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 11, 2015 11:41:06 GMT
Some familiar faces on here... One might get one or two of our contributors frothing at the mouth! Poster from 1987 election.
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