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Post by pyrus on Jun 7, 2015 19:33:56 GMT
You've got to think we would. Three of our team (not even our best three) with similar standard players around them were unlucky to have not beaten England today. Our team would have made a mess of that England team.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2015 19:37:33 GMT
Man for man, the England players are probably better than the Stoke players. It then comes down to whether the players gel as a team and how good the respective managers are. So, Hodgson or Hughes?  Stoke victory I believe.  01 Hart - Bego, close but Hart shades it 02 Jones - Cameron, neither are natural full backs and are equally poor, i actually think I'd take Cameron above Jones at full back. 05 Cahill - Shawcross, absolutely nothing between them 06 Smalling - Muniesa, Muniesa without any doubt at all 03 Bertrand - Pieters, I do like Bertrand so Bertrand shades it 04 Henderson - N'Zonzi, N'Zonzi pisses on anything England have in midfield 07 Wilshere - Adam, sadly you'd have to say Wilshere 08 Milner - Whelan, Whelan was possibly the best player on the pitch before he was rested, but you'd have to go with Milner 09 Sterling - SJW, obviously Sterling 10 Rooney - Diouf, I'd go with Diouf as a centre forward, however I'd squeeze Rooney into the 10 role and fuck Wilshere off!! 11 Lallana - Arnie, Arnie any day of the week, Lallana flatters to deceive every time he puts on a pair of football boots. So from the England side that started today, five of them have a chance of a start at Stoke  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 19:55:14 GMT
We would probably beat England at home but lose at Wembley. Not if we took 50,000 Stokies. Going off what people say on here,we'd probably take more due to the fact that shit loads of Stokies can't wait to see England get beat |
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 7, 2015 19:59:20 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 19:59:58 GMT
Stoke would maul that team, 4-0 easy.
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Post by muglump on Jun 7, 2015 20:00:00 GMT
Not if we took 50,000 Stokies. Going off what people say on here,we'd probably take more due to the fact that shit loads of Stokies can't wait to see England get beat It doesn't matter what people on here want or say, they are shit, uninspired and goign to get taken apart by anyone good. That's just a fact. You can't compare teams on the basis of marks out of ten for each player - for years Ferguson won everything with the shit with a set of players nowhere near as good as several other teams, but the sum of their parts didn't add up to as much. Football is a team game. Hodgson couldn't manage a pub team. Fact. Therefore any decent championship side would twat England because they don't even look as though they want to be there |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 20:10:16 GMT
Going off what people say on here,we'd probably take more due to the fact that shit loads of Stokies can't wait to see England get beat It doesn't matter what people on here want or say, they are shit, uninspired and goign to get taken apart by anyone good. That's just a fact. You can't compare teams on the basis of marks out of ten for each player - for years Ferguson won everything with the shit with a set of players nowhere near as good as several other teams, but the sum of their parts didn't add up to as much. Football is a team game. Hodgson couldn't manage a pub team. Fact. Therefore any decent championship side would twat England because they don't even look as though they want to be there My post was a dig at all the anti England mob on here,who for one reason or another (all treacherous by the way) support whoever England are playing. It doesn't and shouldn't matter to an English football fan how shit we are,how much we dislike or don't rate the manager,how overpaid the players are or how much you think the players care or not,or the fact that we never win anything or look like winning anything. You stand by your team regardless,that's what being a football fan is all about isn't it? This current England team would beat every Championship side around as well,so it isn't a fact at all that they would get "twatted". |
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Post by muglump on Jun 7, 2015 20:20:19 GMT
It doesn't matter what people on here want or say, they are shit, uninspired and goign to get taken apart by anyone good. That's just a fact. You can't compare teams on the basis of marks out of ten for each player - for years Ferguson won everything with the shit with a set of players nowhere near as good as several other teams, but the sum of their parts didn't add up to as much. Football is a team game. Hodgson couldn't manage a pub team. Fact. Therefore any decent championship side would twat England because they don't even look as though they want to be there My post was a dig at all the anti England mob on here,who for one reason or another (all treacherous by the way) support whoever England are playing. It doesn't and shouldn't matter to an English football fan how shit we are,how much we dislike or don't rate the manager,how overpaid the players are or how much you think the players care or not,or the fact that we never win anything or look like winning anything. You stand by your team regardless,that's what being a football fan is all about isn't it? This current England team would beat every Championship side around as well,so it isn't a fact at all that they would get "twatted". I see what you mean but I think they are shit - it's the manager not the players at fault and if this was the case at Stoke (as it has been) I would still sit shivering in the old Boothen end (as I have done) when there were so few people that there was no need to stand up and support them regardless. It's not wrong to criticise the manager though, because although there are some talented players there they look like they would rather be somewhere else |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 20:52:51 GMT
Well, being as I saw Dennis Viollet's testimonial v World Cup winners, mostly, England and Bank's testimonial v Man U plus world class players and caught the end of Stan's testimonial v The Rest of the World on the news - my Subbuteo Stoke used to regularly wipe the pitch with all comers.
On occasion, the England team, Stoke players to a man, would turn up for the World Cup Final v Brazil only to find the kit man had left the England kit at the airport...
Hold on, I've burbled this elsewhere.
Must be taking out my frustration at not persuading my chums, esp the one driving, take me along to today's Subbuteo fair and tournament in Clayton.
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Post by ruts66 on Jun 7, 2015 21:01:50 GMT
I think any of the top 10 would comfortably beat that England side.
England would, however, be a fair bit stronger if they played Liverpool without any Liverpool players in the national side...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 21:09:48 GMT
Man for man, the England players are probably better than the Stoke players. It then comes down to whether the players gel as a team and how good the respective managers are. So, Hodgson or Hughes? Stoke victory I believe. 01 Hart - Bego, close but Hart shades it 02 Jones - Cameron, neither are natural full backs and are equally poor, i actually think I'd take Cameron above Jones at full back. 05 Cahill - Shawcross, absolutely nothing between them 06 Smalling - Muniesa, Muniesa without any doubt at all 03 Bertrand - Pieters, I do like Bertrand so Bertrand shades it 04 Henderson - N'Zonzi, N'Zonzi pisses on anything England have in midfield 07 Wilshere - Adam, sadly you'd have to say Wilshere 08 Milner - Whelan, Whelan was possibly the best player on the pitch before he was rested, but you'd have to go with Milner 09 Sterling - SJW, obviously Sterling 10 Rooney - Diouf, I'd go with Diouf as a centre forward, however I'd squeeze Rooney into the 10 role and fuck Wilshere off!! 11 Lallana - Arnie, Arnie any day of the week, Lallana flatters to deceive every time he puts on a pair of football boots. So from the England side that started today, five of them have a chance of a start at Stoke That wouldn't be far off my assessment to be fair. I'd have Johnson over Cameron Replace Adam with Bojan who I'd have over Wilshere Rooney over Diouf (reluctantly) Closer inspection, and man for man, there's probably not that much difference between the two teams. Probably means they'd get the Liverpool treatment if the match was played at the Brit.  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 7, 2015 21:16:15 GMT
I think there is a certain amount of stoke bias. Who from Stoke would get in the England team?Bojan, N Zonzi, Bego - probably (certainly in squad) Maybe - Ryan, Marc, Arnie? But we'd have a chance because we are a team. Tbh I'd probably back England in a one off, but over say 10 games I reckon we'd win 2 or 3 and draw the same Who from that England team would get in the Stoke team? You're kidding right? |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jun 7, 2015 21:49:05 GMT
Man for man, the England players are probably better than the Stoke players. It then comes down to whether the players gel as a team and how good the respective managers are. So, Hodgson or Hughes? Stoke victory I believe. 01 Hart - Bego, close but Hart shades it 02 Jones - Cameron, neither are natural full backs and are equally poor, i actually think I'd take Cameron above Jones at full back. 05 Cahill - Shawcross, absolutely nothing between them 06 Smalling - Muniesa, Muniesa without any doubt at all 03 Bertrand - Pieters, I do like Bertrand so Bertrand shades it 04 Henderson - N'Zonzi, N'Zonzi pisses on anything England have in midfield 07 Wilshere - Adam, sadly you'd have to say Wilshere 08 Milner - Whelan, Whelan was possibly the best player on the pitch before he was rested, but you'd have to go with Milner 09 Sterling - SJW, obviously Sterling 10 Rooney - Diouf, I'd go with Diouf as a centre forward, however I'd squeeze Rooney into the 10 role and fuck Wilshere off!! 11 Lallana - Arnie, Arnie any day of the week, Lallana flatters to deceive every time he puts on a pair of football boots. So from the England side that started today, five of them have a chance of a start at Stoke I'd disagree with most of that to be honest. |
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2015 21:59:34 GMT
01 Hart - Bego, close but Hart shades it 02 Jones - Cameron, neither are natural full backs and are equally poor, i actually think I'd take Cameron above Jones at full back. 05 Cahill - Shawcross, absolutely nothing between them 06 Smalling - Muniesa, Muniesa without any doubt at all 03 Bertrand - Pieters, I do like Bertrand so Bertrand shades it 04 Henderson - N'Zonzi, N'Zonzi pisses on anything England have in midfield 07 Wilshere - Adam, sadly you'd have to say Wilshere 08 Milner - Whelan, Whelan was possibly the best player on the pitch before he was rested, but you'd have to go with Milner 09 Sterling - SJW, obviously Sterling 10 Rooney - Diouf, I'd go with Diouf as a centre forward, however I'd squeeze Rooney into the 10 role and fuck Wilshere off!! 11 Lallana - Arnie, Arnie any day of the week, Lallana flatters to deceive every time he puts on a pair of football boots. So from the England side that started today, five of them have a chance of a start at Stoke I'd disagree with most of that to be honest. So you're suggesting Bego's better than Hart, Smalling's better than Muniesa, Pieters is better than Bertrand, Henderson is better than N'Zonzi, Adam is better than Wilshere, Whelan is better than Milner, SJW is better than Sterling and Diouf is better than Rooney? Fair enough, it's all about opinion. |
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jun 7, 2015 22:47:01 GMT
Man for man, the England players are probably better than the Stoke players. It then comes down to whether the players gel as a team and how good the respective managers are. So, Hodgson or Hughes? Stoke victory I believe. 01 Hart - Bego, close but Hart shades it 02 Jones - Cameron, neither are natural full backs and are equally poor, i actually think I'd take Cameron above Jones at full back. 05 Cahill - Shawcross, absolutely nothing between them 06 Smalling - Muniesa, Muniesa without any doubt at all 03 Bertrand - Pieters, I do like Bertrand so Bertrand shades it 04 Henderson - N'Zonzi, N'Zonzi pisses on anything England have in midfield 07 Wilshere - Adam, sadly you'd have to say Wilshere 08 Milner - Whelan, Whelan was possibly the best player on the pitch before he was rested, but you'd have to go with Milner 09 Sterling - SJW, obviously Sterling 10 Rooney - Diouf, I'd go with Diouf as a centre forward, however I'd squeeze Rooney into the 10 role and fuck Wilshere off!! 11 Lallana - Arnie, Arnie any day of the week, Lallana flatters to deceive every time he puts on a pair of football boots. So from the England side that started today, five of them have a chance of a start at Stoke Diouf over Rooney. Great banter. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 7, 2015 22:52:19 GMT
Stoke would fucking batter England. It's not so much a man for man competition as Stoke are a very good team and England don't gel at all. England do have several better players than Stoke, but also a ton more shite than we do. Lallana? Henderson? Smalling? Never had good games against Stoke at club level, where they should theoretically be far more comfortable.
Team ethic, passion and a will to win would prevail against these mercenary egotists. We've seen it before time and time again in the Prem, and that's against teams which also contain very very good players.
We would fucking batter England.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jun 7, 2015 22:59:27 GMT
Yes. That squad is about as strong as Everton's without the advantage of regularly training together.
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 8, 2015 1:59:36 GMT
We would mop the floor with that shower ....
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 8, 2015 1:59:45 GMT
the paucity of English talent £@#&!ng "paucity". When was the last time you heard someone down the pub use the word paucity, Little Lord Fauntleroy!?! |
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Post by stokefaninde on Jun 8, 2015 3:07:32 GMT
England needs to stop playing people depending on who they play for.. No hunger. Any national side that wouldn't include Ryan is deluded.
Take for instance Crouch. He plays for a big side, he is in. Plays for Stoke? Out. He has scored 22 in 42 ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 6:50:11 GMT
Who from that England team would get in the Stoke team? Based on best England team, Hart, Rooney, Sturridge - definitely Lallana, Sterling, Baines - probably And I know Wilshere is an arrogant little shitbag, but put his ability in a player who isn't detestable and he'd get in too Disagree with Hart and Lallana. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 8, 2015 8:29:17 GMT
Who from that England team would get in the Stoke team? You're kidding right? From the starting 11 I would definitely find places for Rooney and Milner. From the subs that came on I think Walcott could do very well for us. You could argue a case for all of the other England players that featured but for me none of would be shoe ins over what we have here already. For example the last two times I've seen Lallana and Henderson they have been truly awful. I wouldn't take Wilshire out of principle; that and he isn't as good as Bojan nor does he seem to have the nous to play a holding role. Phil Jones has spent his time at Munure going backwards in several positions instead of getting better in one. Bertrand had an OK season - so did Pieters. Hart is a very good keeper - so is Bego. Cahill and Smalling over Ryan and Muni? Pretty close; maybe one of the England boys would get a game. Sterling has been poor since January so on form he would not displace any of attacking players. OF the subs; Jagielka( not as good as the 2 that started for England), Barkley (not as good as Zonz), Townsend and Vardy (really?). Was I kidding. No. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 8, 2015 8:32:12 GMT
the paucity of English talent £@#&!ng "paucity". When was the last time you heard someone down the pub use the word paucity, Little Lord Fauntleroy!?! I was torn between 'paucity' and 'dearth' but chose to go with the former, it somehow sounded more impoverished  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 8:54:58 GMT
The refs wouldn't allow us to beat England.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 8, 2015 10:34:48 GMT
That England side would struggle to finish in the top 8 in the Premiership.
Seeing we don't have a bad record against the top 8, there is every chance would could beat them.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 8, 2015 10:38:29 GMT
With that muppet in charge, the Fail would beat England!
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Post by upthefud on Jun 8, 2015 11:06:32 GMT
HART
CLYNE smalling JONES BAINES
MILNER henderson
STERLING wilshere welbeck
ROONEY
Vs
begovic
cameron SHAWCROSS muniesa pieters
whelan N'ZONZI
walters BOJAN MOSES
diouf
So they shade it in the same way as Spurs have a better squad than us, doesn't mean we wouldn't turn them over
Obviously the two teams are based on players selected this season
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 8, 2015 11:16:43 GMT
I'd have Bego over Hart, and I wouldn't have Jones but I would have Cahill.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2015 12:59:12 GMT
Most Premiership clubs have far more resources than England
More quality players to choose from. So it shouldn't be a surprise.
We are just not producing enough decent players at national level. Premiership has killed our national team.
The best Hodgson can do is to make a fairly mediocre bunch competitive.
I think Pulis will be best suited for England manager. He will get the defence organised and anything else would be a bonus.
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