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Post by desman2 on May 27, 2015 1:53:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 5:51:50 GMT
I thought for one minute it Was just a bad spelling of Icelandic cleric  |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 9:20:50 GMT
Puddled
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:30:11 GMT
It is a topic that ai fear will be avoided and ignored by those highly intelligent apologists and excusmeisters on here ......
This is the future they want to see more of ....
Give him a council house .
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 13:02:25 GMT
It is a topic that ai fear will be avoided and ignored by those highly intelligent apologists and excusmeisters on here ...... This is the future they want to see more of .... Give him a council house . They'd be all over it if as UKIP'er said it though |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 27, 2015 13:50:08 GMT
What exactly do people need to say? He's an idiot & he's speaking nonsense, end of story... Infact, the only reason that this is a story is because a Muslim has said it. Millions of Christian/white/westerners say idiotic things everyday, they all get dismissed as being idiots speaking nonsense, though & don't make it to the newspapers as there wont be a little band of merry men ready to pounce on it & use it as another stick to beat an entire group of people.
It's equally as unsurprising to see which names have popped-up on this thread so far.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 27, 2015 14:01:59 GMT
If you get a minute, watch the "religion" channels on Sky, you will see that this idiocy is not limited to Islam.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:39:57 GMT
Put in that file with the fella that "fed 5000 with a single fish"...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:41:18 GMT
Put in that file with the fella that "fed 5000 with a single fish"... fucking ridiculous argument mate!!!!!! it was 2 fish  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:47:22 GMT
Put in that file with the fella that "fed 5000 with a single fish"... fucking ridiculous argument mate!!!!!! it was 2 fish Who told you that? A talking snake? |
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2015 14:49:36 GMT
I wonder what the Mail would have made of St Thomas Aquinas back in the day saying masturbation was a worse sex crime than rape?
All religions seem to have a hang up about sex.
Fuck 'em all I say.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:50:07 GMT
fucking ridiculous argument mate!!!!!! it was 2 fish Who told you that? A talking snake? nah it was some burning bush or other (i told her to use that anti-biotic cream as well!!!) |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:52:16 GMT
I wonder what the Mail would have made of St Thomas Aquinas back in the day saying masturbation was a worse sex crime than rape? All religions seem to have a hang up about sex. Fuck 'em all I say. i'd watch it mate...it's fine to slag off an entire religion based on what 1 nutcase says and infer that the ENTIRE religion believe that as long as it happens to be Islam.... however, try to point out that EVERY religion have as bad a track record as each other and you'll be labelled an "Apologist" by mumf and told that you condone terrorism and Sharia law |
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Post by Billybigbollox on May 27, 2015 15:23:17 GMT
I hope that's a load of bollox or I'm going to have a fucking busy after life.
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Post by desman2 on May 27, 2015 15:37:20 GMT
What exactly do people need to say? He's an idiot & he's speaking nonsense, end of story... Infact, the only reason that this is a story is because a Muslim has said it. Millions of Christian/white/westerners say idiotic things everyday, they all get dismissed as being idiots speaking nonsense, though & don't make it to the newspapers as there wont be a little band of merry men ready to pounce on it & use it as another stick to beat an entire group of people. It's equally as unsurprising to see which names have popped-up on this thread so far. I posted this because it was a hilarious thing to say. If it was someone else who was saying this i,d still post it so please stop simply throwing accusations around. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 15:42:46 GMT
What exactly do people need to say? He's an idiot & he's speaking nonsense, end of story... Infact, the only reason that this is a story is because a Muslim has said it. Millions of Christian/white/westerners say idiotic things everyday, they all get dismissed as being idiots speaking nonsense, though & don't make it to the newspapers as there wont be a little band of merry men ready to pounce on it & use it as another stick to beat an entire group of people. It's equally as unsurprising to see which names have popped-up on this thread so far. I posted this because it was a hilarious thing to say. If it was someone else who was saying this i,d still post it so please stop simply throwing accusations around. to be fair desman, i think it's more to do with mumf getting STRAIGHT in there with his "Apologists and excusemeisters" remark that wound people up rather than anything you put...his standard, bullshit laden inference that if you don't hate him (the preacher), the entire religion and everything they stand for then you automatically condone terrorism etc. etc. repeat to fade |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 27, 2015 15:43:20 GMT
What a wanker.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 17:10:36 GMT
I wonder what the Mail would have made of St Thomas Aquinas back in the day saying masturbation was a worse sex crime than rape? All religions seem to have a hang up about sex. Fuck 'em all I say. i'd watch it mate...it's fine to slag off an entire religion based on what 1 nutcase says and infer that the ENTIRE religion believe that as long as it happens to be Islam.... however, try to point out that EVERY religion have as bad a track record as each other and you'll be labelled an "Apologist" by mumf and told that you condone terrorism and Sharia law No you won't . I agree with you as a matter of fact . All religion ...every religion has a bad track record but as an apologist you deliberately try to use my name as a means of qualifying your argument and thus proving your point . That being I am racist and anti Muslim. Well , let me congratulate you on not only proving yourself wrong , but also someone who is prepared to single out another person and wrongly accuse him of something based purely on the figment of your imagination. But it's not for the first time you have done this is it ? I have a problem with all religious freaks and terrorists both Christian and otherwise , but in all honesty you need to get your facts right before you come on here spouting bullshit and lies . It's not the actions of a fair minded rational person . It's more the actions of a man whose agenda gets the better of him. I have no problem with any race , but I do have a problem when foreigners out number the fucking indigenous population . If what was happening here in the UK was also happening in some remote Island in the Pacific then David Attenborough would be making a program complaining about it . So there you go....wrong on both counts . Wrong before you even hit the keyboard in anger . Mumf |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 17:28:20 GMT
I posted this because it was a hilarious thing to say. If it was someone else who was saying this i,d still post it so please stop simply throwing accusations around. to be fair desman, i think it's more to do with mumf getting STRAIGHT in there with his "Apologists and excusemeisters" remark that wound people up rather than anything you put...his standard, bullshit laden inference that if you don't hate him (the preacher), the entire religion and everything they stand for then you automatically condone terrorism etc. etc. repeat to fade Do you know this to be true or are you guessing ? "If you don't hate him (the preacher ) , the entire religion and everything they stand for then you automatically condone terrorism "..... Slanderous crap. You need to wind your neck in . You are making false accusations and comments that are wildly inaccurate and false . |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 18:31:30 GMT
i'd watch it mate...it's fine to slag off an entire religion based on what 1 nutcase says and infer that the ENTIRE religion believe that as long as it happens to be Islam.... however, try to point out that EVERY religion have as bad a track record as each other and you'll be labelled an "Apologist" by mumf and told that you condone terrorism and Sharia law No you won't . I agree with you as a matter of fact . All religion ...every religion has a bad track record but as an apologist you deliberately try to use my name as a means of qualifying your argument and thus proving your point . That being I am racist and anti Muslim. Well , let me congratulate you on not only proving yourself wrong , but also someone who is prepared to single out another person and wrongly accuse him of something based purely on the figment of your imagination. But it's not for the first time you have done this is it ? I have a problem with all religious freaks and terrorists both Christian and otherwise , but in all honesty you need to get your facts right before you come on here spouting bullshit and lies . It's not the actions of a fair minded rational person . It's more the actions of a man whose agenda gets the better of him. I have no problem with any race , but I do have a problem when foreigners out number the fucking indigenous population . If what was happening here in the UK was also happening in some remote Island in the Pacific then David Attenborough would be making a program complaining about it . So there you go....wrong on both counts . Wrong before you even hit the keyboard in anger . Mumf Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 18:52:49 GMT
No you won't . I agree with you as a matter of fact . All religion ...every religion has a bad track record but as an apologist you deliberately try to use my name as a means of qualifying your argument and thus proving your point . That being I am racist and anti Muslim. Well , let me congratulate you on not only proving yourself wrong , but also someone who is prepared to single out another person and wrongly accuse him of something based purely on the figment of your imagination. But it's not for the first time you have done this is it ? I have a problem with all religious freaks and terrorists both Christian and otherwise , but in all honesty you need to get your facts right before you come on here spouting bullshit and lies . It's not the actions of a fair minded rational person . It's more the actions of a man whose agenda gets the better of him. I have no problem with any race , but I do have a problem when foreigners out number the fucking indigenous population . If what was happening here in the UK was also happening in some remote Island in the Pacific then David Attenborough would be making a program complaining about it . So there you go....wrong on both counts . Wrong before you even hit the keyboard in anger . Mumf Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 18:58:30 GMT
Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . Nair fuck em. I couldn't care less about the more sensitive posters mate, they need to stop being fannys and get into the real world. Hurting their feelings doesn't bother me one bit. If they choose to get upset by the truth then that just shows what overly sensitive little girls they are. I'll speak my mind and if they don't like it they can lump it |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 27, 2015 19:29:05 GMT
No you won't . I agree with you as a matter of fact . All religion ...every religion has a bad track record but as an apologist you deliberately try to use my name as a means of qualifying your argument and thus proving your point . That being I am racist and anti Muslim. Well , let me congratulate you on not only proving yourself wrong , but also someone who is prepared to single out another person and wrongly accuse him of something based purely on the figment of your imagination. But it's not for the first time you have done this is it ? I have a problem with all religious freaks and terrorists both Christian and otherwise , but in all honesty you need to get your facts right before you come on here spouting bullshit and lies . It's not the actions of a fair minded rational person . It's more the actions of a man whose agenda gets the better of him. I have no problem with any race , but I do have a problem when foreigners out number the fucking indigenous population . If what was happening here in the UK was also happening in some remote Island in the Pacific then David Attenborough would be making a program complaining about it . So there you go....wrong on both counts . Wrong before you even hit the keyboard in anger . Mumf Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred Yeah, with a Cardinal this week declaring the recent referendum for Gay Marriage legislation result as a "defeat for humanity". The Catholic church is as un-democratic as the kind of politics propagated in the Middle East, the difference being that Catholic Church's influence is stymied by the presence of democratically elected governments and politics in the Middle East is still largely dominated by dictatorships as a result of power vacuums left as a result of post-colonialism. Look at pictures of Afghanistan in the 1950s, progressive, ever westernised before it was pushed back into the dark ages by colonial annexation by the USSR and then the Taliban who emerged from a direct result of US intervention into the area. To call the Church of England a religion is fallacy based on the fact it was established by a man purely seeking to trade his Mrs in for a newer model. Even in the liberal Anglican church women are only recently being accepted into the clergy. Christian militias sweep areas along the Great Lakes in Africa massacring as mercilessly as Boko Haram in North Africa, a man kills 77 people in Norway calling him self a "modern day crusader" yet he was simply regarded as a complete nutjob, rather than solely religiously motivated. Decades long, systematic abuse of children carried out by large numbers of Catholic priests swept under the carpet for years, etc etc. Christianity is a fundamentally poisoned as Islam, the difference is the vast majority of its flaws are swept under the rug as opposed to being reported by a megaphone wielding Daily Mail journalist. Call me whatever you will, the fact is religion has always been involved in controversy and manipulation of the masses. |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 19:32:13 GMT
Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred Yeah, with a Cardinal this week declaring the recent referendum for Gay Marriage legislation result as a "defeat for humanity". The Catholic church is as un-democratic as the kind of politics propagated in the Middle East, the difference being that Catholic Church's influence is stymied by the presence of democratically elected governments and politics in the Middle East is still largely dominated by dictatorships as a result of power vacuums left as a result of post-colonialism. Look at pictures of Afghanistan in the 1950s, progressive, ever westernised before it was pushed back into the dark ages by colonial annexation by the USSR and then the Taliban who emerged from a direct result of US intervention into the area. To call the Church of England a religion is fallacy based on the fact it was established by a man purely seeking to trade his Mrs in for a newer model. Even in the liberal Anglican church women are only recently being accepted into the clergy. Christian militias sweep areas along the Great Lakes in Africa massacring as mercilessly as Boko Haram in North Africa, a man kills 77 people in Norway calling him self a "modern day crusader" yet he was simply regarded as a complete nutjob, rather than solely religiously motivated. Decades long, systematic abuse of children carried out by large numbers of Catholic priests swept under the carpet for years, etc etc. Christianity is a fundamentally poisoned as Islam, the difference is the vast majority of its flaws are swept under the rug as opposed to being reported by a megaphone wielding Daily Mail journalist. Call me whatever you will, the fact is religion has always been involved in controversy and manipulation of the masses. I disagree. Islam is alot worse than modern Christianity and has not moved on from the middle ages where as in many ways Christianity has. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 27, 2015 19:46:14 GMT
Yeah, with a Cardinal this week declaring the recent referendum for Gay Marriage legislation result as a "defeat for humanity". The Catholic church is as un-democratic as the kind of politics propagated in the Middle East, the difference being that Catholic Church's influence is stymied by the presence of democratically elected governments and politics in the Middle East is still largely dominated by dictatorships as a result of power vacuums left as a result of post-colonialism. Look at pictures of Afghanistan in the 1950s, progressive, ever westernised before it was pushed back into the dark ages by colonial annexation by the USSR and then the Taliban who emerged from a direct result of US intervention into the area. To call the Church of England a religion is fallacy based on the fact it was established by a man purely seeking to trade his Mrs in for a newer model. Even in the liberal Anglican church women are only recently being accepted into the clergy. Christian militias sweep areas along the Great Lakes in Africa massacring as mercilessly as Boko Haram in North Africa, a man kills 77 people in Norway calling him self a "modern day crusader" yet he was simply regarded as a complete nutjob, rather than solely religiously motivated. Decades long, systematic abuse of children carried out by large numbers of Catholic priests swept under the carpet for years, etc etc. Christianity is a fundamentally poisoned as Islam, the difference is the vast majority of its flaws are swept under the rug as opposed to being reported by a megaphone wielding Daily Mail journalist. Call me whatever you will, the fact is religion has always been involved in controversy and manipulation of the masses. I disagree. Islam is alot worse than modern Christianity and has not moved on from the middle ages where as in many ways Christianity has. Being as though they both use texts from before 1000AD and no significant new Christian literature has emerged for centuries it is not the religion that has changed, but the people within it and the constraints placed upon it. If the pope ordered mass execution of non-catholics throughout Europe he could not do it due to the limited power of the church caused by the presence of governments and the fact the church is largely disconnected from the ruling governments. If a cleric wanted to execute all non-muslims in a country where he is cushy with the dictator, the dictator will carry it out because it suits him to maintain the equilibrium, just like how it suited the "orthodox christian" Slobodan Milosevic to murder thousands of Bosnian Muslims. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2015 19:50:03 GMT
Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . I'm not so sure Harry is spot on. The improvements in Western "Christian" societies is because they are secular. Religion has had to come to terms with a much diminished role in society in the West and had to modify and moderate positions to try and stay meaningful. It's not because they want to change anything. The church does not do change voluntarily. It wants power. The tragedy of the Middle East is it is a society that is not secular meaning turgid religious practices dominate resulting in the shit storm that is engulfing the Arab world and beyond. But, we can't assume the Catholic Church would be any better were it to have power. Their dogmatic principles on contraception have caused huge issues in the third world where they exercise far more influence than in the West. The fact that Islam is a "worse" religion than Christianity is therefore, IMO, down to their role in society. Oh for an Ataturk in the Middle East. |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 19:50:48 GMT
I disagree. Islam is alot worse than modern Christianity and has not moved on from the middle ages where as in many ways Christianity has. Being as though they both use texts from before 1000AD and no significant new Christian literature has emerged for centuries it is not the religion that has changed, but the people within it and the constraints placed upon it. If the pope ordered mass execution of non-catholics throughout Europe he could not do it due to the limited power of the church caused by the presence of governments and the fact the church is largely disconnected from the ruling governments. If a cleric wanted to execute all non-muslims in a country where he is cushy with the dictator, the dictator will carry it out because it suits him to maintain the equilibrium, just like how it suited the "orthodox christian" Slobodan Milosevic to murder thousands of Bosnian Muslims. Two different religions and cultures mate. Islam hasn't moved on since it was founded , Christianity has. They can not be compared. Christianity is far from perfect as is Hinduism , Judaism, Sikhism and Buddhism but none of these compare to Islam in terms of hatred , intolerance and inequality and oppression. I respect your right to an opinion but mine differs from yours and that's the way it's staying |
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Post by stokeharry on May 27, 2015 19:52:56 GMT
Good post . Although comparing modern Christianity to Islam doesn't work . Christianity although far from perfect has moved on alot more than what Islam has. They are world's apart and Islam is the worst one out of all the religions for inequality and general intolerance and hatred On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . But yea I agree I'm spot on and as for the muslim girls draped head to toe in religious carb :/ one has to feel sorry for them in a way but if they have known no other since birth I don't suppose they know what they are missing |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 27, 2015 20:00:00 GMT
On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . I'm not so sure Harry is spot on. The improvements in Western "Christian" societies is because they are secular. Religion has had to come to terms with a much diminished role in society in the West and had to modify and moderate positions to try and stay meaningful. It's not because they want to change anything. The church does not do change voluntarily. It wants power. The tragedy of the Middle East is it is a society that is not secular meaning turgid religious practices dominate resulting in the shit storm that is engulfing the Arab world and beyond. But, we can't assume the Catholic Church would be any better were it to have power. Their dogmatic principles on contraception have caused huge issues in the third world where they exercise far more influence than in the West. The fact that Islam is a "worse" religion than Christianity is therefore, IMO, down to their role in society. Oh for an Ataturk in the Middle East. My point in a nutshell. |
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Post by countofmontecristo on May 27, 2015 20:26:25 GMT
On balance I think you are spot on , but one has to be very very gentle with the more sensitive members on here if you know what I mean . If you ever get the chance to visit the Red Sea it is pitiful to see Muslim girls draped head to toe in religious garb stood at the edge of the beach watching the westerners bathe in the beautiful warm waters but unable to do so themselves because of strict medieval practises . Shamefully sad , but true .....some visibly weeping with envy . I'm not so sure Harry is spot on. The improvements in Western "Christian" societies is because they are secular. Religion has had to come to terms with a much diminished role in society in the West and had to modify and moderate positions to try and stay meaningful. It's not because they want to change anything. The church does not do change voluntarily. It wants power. The tragedy of the Middle East is it is a society that is not secular meaning turgid religious practices dominate resulting in the shit storm that is engulfing the Arab world and beyond. But, we can't assume the Catholic Church would be any better were it to have power. Their dogmatic principles on contraception have caused huge issues in the third world where they exercise far more influence than in the West. The fact that Islam is a "worse" religion than Christianity is therefore, IMO, down to their role in society. Oh for an Ataturk in the Middle East. ........ yes, because it was only Christians that Ataturk ethnically cleansed from Armenia - so that's ok, lets have another! |
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