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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 11, 2015 21:09:32 GMT
I thought we may have seen him in the side towards the tail end of the season.
Anyone know how he's progressing.
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Post by metalhead on May 11, 2015 21:13:59 GMT
I guess Mark is integrating them slowly.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 11, 2015 21:16:29 GMT
I guess the manager has been more focused on making sure he busts the 50 point barrier and getting us as high as possible in the table
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Post by stokiejoe on May 11, 2015 21:20:01 GMT
Perhaps now we can't get to 8th he may get a go
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Post by mart57 on May 11, 2015 21:23:20 GMT
Didn't set the world on fire against Wolves u 21s last week. He needs to grow up a bit before Prem comes calling
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Post by pottersrule on May 11, 2015 21:24:29 GMT
Perhaps now we can't get to 8th he may get a go Why can't we? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 11, 2015 21:30:42 GMT
Perhaps now we can't get to 8th he may get a go Why can't we? Two wins and two defeats for Swansea will see us 8th. |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 11, 2015 21:36:02 GMT
Perhaps now we can't get to 8th he may get a go Why can't we? We have to win both our matches and Swansea have to lose both theirs including Crystal Palace, possible but unlikely. We really needed Arse to win but they let us down as usual. I suppose "can't" was a bit overstated asI thought they had more than 56 points. |
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Post by Gods on May 11, 2015 21:38:21 GMT
We have to win both our matches and Swansea have to lose both theirs including Crystal Palace, possible but unlikely. We really needed Arse to win but they let us down as usual. I suppose "can't" was a bit overstated asI thought they had more than 56 points. 'won't' would have been better, same outcome though! |
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Post by 2004 on May 11, 2015 21:41:44 GMT
I've noticed he's stopped making the bench recently. Maybe we're just saving him for next season now.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 11, 2015 21:42:31 GMT
I've noticed he's stopped making the bench recently. Maybe we're just saving him for next season now. To be honest, think he only made the bench when we had a lot of injuries. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:00:43 GMT
Whether he's good enough or not, I don't know. But the money that's now on offer for each league position means there are no meaningless matches anymore, and it's too big a risk to throw a youngster in just to give him some game time when each match is potentially worth millions.
It's always down to money isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:04:16 GMT
Whether he's good enough or not, I don't know. But the money that's now on offer for each league position means there are no meaningless matches anymore, and it's too big a risk to throw a youngster in just to give him some game time when each match is potentially worth millions. It's always down to money isn't it. That's true , but you still have to blood young players at some time . |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:08:55 GMT
Whether he's good enough or not, I don't know. But the money that's now on offer for each league position means there are no meaningless matches anymore, and it's too big a risk to throw a youngster in just to give him some game time when each match is potentially worth millions. It's always down to money isn't it. That's true , but you still have to blood young players at some time . Agreed, it's just more difficult to pick your moments now. A few years ago, once you were clear of relegation, you could blood a new kid and there was no pressure. Now the difference between 8th and 10th matters - why else would most of us be rooting for the calcium deficient sons of Satan tonight? |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:13:07 GMT
The likes of Sothampton and Liverpool and a few others don't seem to have the same hang ups though do they ......? Perhaps they see it as an investment for the following season ...and they have just as much to lose if not more .
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 12, 2015 0:39:05 GMT
Perhaps now we can't get to 8th he may get a go You'd think so, it does seem unlikely we'll get 8th now, I hope he does anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 6:33:10 GMT
No rush. Give him time.
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Post by wembley4372 on May 12, 2015 8:42:58 GMT
He's not ready yet. A suitable loan next season is a better move.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on May 12, 2015 8:50:16 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development.
In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then.
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Post by metalhead on May 12, 2015 8:57:46 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. People are keen to see him. He's a local talent. Brings out the stokey patriotism  |
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Post by vahl on May 12, 2015 9:08:55 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. Absolutely. That's pretty much the ideal plan. I think he's mature enough to handle first-team responsibility though and having a good look at him against an already relegated Burnley team could mean a lot for us going forward. I guess there is positives on both sides of the coin. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 12, 2015 9:09:03 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. People are keen to see him. He's a local talent. Brings out the stokey patriotism We know all of that, but he's not a Wayne Rooney in ability or physique. 17 year olds breaking into the First Team at any level are the exception rather than the rule. Maybe in a couple of years? |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on May 12, 2015 9:11:36 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. People are keen to see him. He's a local talent. Brings out the stokey patriotism Oh I'm no different, I'll be smashing Royal Doulton plates in celebration and ordering Oatcakes all round the day he scores his first goal for the club. I'm just doing my best to be pragmatic about the lad until then |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 12, 2015 9:35:27 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. Which is exactly what the FA has been saying about English players between 18 to 21 lacking opportunities which in turn leads to buying better developed foreign players. It isn't fast tracking as such, itis avoiding sending him off into the wilderness for two or three years for another club to use their unknown traininng and development methods rather than doing it ourselves. Bojan and similar were developed at Barca, we should be doing similar as part of our Academy system, even if it means creating a second team. He does need to be nurtured but also pushed and we can't expect others to do it for us. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 10:11:09 GMT
i've got an idea.....if people have decided that 8th is impossible then why don't we focus our efforts on actually securing 9th before we start pissing about with the side eh?
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on May 12, 2015 10:49:17 GMT
With respect, we are talking about a lad that has just turned 17 and had possibly the most turbulent year of his life. Let's just be patient with him and stop looking to fast track his development. In 2-3 years, after a loan spell in the championship hopefully, let's see where he's at and make a call then. Which is exactly what the FA has been saying about English players between 18 to 21 lacking opportunities which in turn leads to buying better developed foreign players. It isn't fast tracking as such, itis avoiding sending him off into the wilderness for two or three years for another club to use their unknown traininng and development methods rather than doing it ourselves. Bojan and similar were developed at Barca, we should be doing similar as part of our Academy system, even if it means creating a second team. He does need to be nurtured but also pushed and we can't expect others to do it for us. In theory, I actually agree with the sentiment. Reality is a little different though; we're not Barca, or Madrid, or Man Utd, and because of our relatively new status as a decent academy, we have literally nothing to judge how good Shenton actually is right now. I'm not talking about farming him out to the doldrums of league 2 to have the shit kicked out of him, but the Championship helps to further (and is aided itself by this) young players' competitive edge. It did Beckham, Defoe etc no harm, Jack Butland looks to have grown as a player because of it, and Chelsea currently have something ridiculous like 30 odd kids out on loan. There are benefits to it when the practise isn't used to brush players under the carpet, out of sight, like Pulis and others used to and still do. |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 12, 2015 11:04:54 GMT
Which is exactly what the FA has been saying about English players between 18 to 21 lacking opportunities which in turn leads to buying better developed foreign players. It isn't fast tracking as such, itis avoiding sending him off into the wilderness for two or three years for another club to use their unknown traininng and development methods rather than doing it ourselves. Bojan and similar were developed at Barca, we should be doing similar as part of our Academy system, even if it means creating a second team. He does need to be nurtured but also pushed and we can't expect others to do it for us. In theory, I actually agree with the sentiment. Reality is a little different though; we're not Barca, or Madrid, or Man Utd, and because of our relatively new status as a decent academy, we have literally nothing to judge how good Shenton actually is right now. I'm not talking about farming him out to the doldrums of league 2 to have the shit kicked out of him, but the Championship helps to further (and is aided itself by this) young players' competitive edge. It did Beckham, Defoe etc no harm, Jack Butland looks to have grown as a player because of it, and Chelsea currently have something ridiculous like 30 odd kids out on loan. There are benefits to it when the practise isn't used to brush players under the carpet, out of sight, like Pulis and others used to and still do. Happier with that, thanks for the explanation. |
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Post by foster on May 12, 2015 11:08:04 GMT
i've got an idea.....if people have decided that 8th is impossible then why don't we focus our efforts on actually securing 9th before we start pissing about with the side eh? I agree. I don't care where he's from, I want us to finish as well as possible. We still have something to play for. |
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 12, 2015 15:09:36 GMT
Didn't set the world on fire against Wolves u 21s last week. He needs to grow up a bit before Prem comes calling Thanks for answering my original question. It's been a traumatic year for him so just wondered whether it had affected him on the pitch. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2015 15:25:15 GMT
I'd still like to see him spend the summer training in Orlando tbh. I think it'd be great for him.
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