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Post by partickpotter on May 6, 2015 21:26:28 GMT
Is that when Boycs ran out Derek Randall at Trent Bridge? Probably still not welcome in the Nottingham area Remember that well ...1977 , how could anybody manage to run " Arkle " out ? Has there been a more popular cricketer? His innings in the centenary test must be one of the greatest of all time. Top man!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 21:28:49 GMT
Remember that well ...1977 , how could anybody manage to run " Arkle " out ? Has there been a more popular cricketer? His innings in the centenary test must be one of the greatest of all time. Top man! He wasn't very popular with Dennis Lillee during that Test or that innings ! .....It was a fabulous knock , never bettered by him .
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 21:34:10 GMT
So when Harry accuses the Islamic faith of being "rife with paedophiles" I'm misinterpreting that am I? Please explain exactly how? I have not "repeatedly" threatened anyone either. Talk about misinterpretation? How do you accuse a faith ? you could possibly accuse it's followers possibly, considering the revelations surrounding gangs of Muslim men across the country who have groomed, drugged and gang raped white children may well have come to that conclusion as a matter of course Sir. Never shy away from telling the truth mate. Even if it offends the apologists. The truth is more important than their feelings.
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Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2015 21:36:01 GMT
So, back to where this thread started, and what it's meant to be about.... Would Conservative or LimDem senior figures agree to attend and address a segregated Muslim audience in a marginal constituency? The question is aimed at the Lib/Lab/Con people, not UKIP supporters as we already have a good idea on your position, and UKIP would have not got the invitation anyway! Why would they not invite UKIP, must be some sort of ism in that decision
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 6, 2015 21:50:28 GMT
I think the other parties would have turned up, and they would have taken the view that the meeting was in an Islamic centre and that Islamic traditions would be expected to be in place. I would never expect a politician to go against a significant proportion of voters in a marginal constituency. It begs the question that if the audience was Muslim but not segregated, and the Labour speakers were atheists, would they be hypocrites?
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Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2015 21:58:57 GMT
How do you accuse a faith ? you could possibly accuse it's followers possibly, considering the revelations surrounding gangs of Muslim men across the country who have groomed, drugged and gang raped white children may well have come to that conclusion as a matter of course Sir. Never shy away from telling the truth mate. Even if it offends the apologists. The truth is more important than their feelings. I never will cost me my job almost two years ago with a non departmental government department !, big fat cheque as a sweetener for legal reasons I am unable to expand. I have experienced cover up's, apologists, arse kissers, back stabbers, PC gone insane and the real results of mass immigration on the indigenous population of our country, not ideology real life experience but I am not bowed by it I will continue to call a spade a spade if it upsets some weak minded brainwashed individuals so be it, I fear we have lost our identity forever, English is a swear word to some fuck them, I am English I am white I love my family and my family history, I hate what we have become it sickens me
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 22:04:21 GMT
Same her Carps ....
Why the fuck are we observing third world medieval ritual practises in the centre of our fucking country FFS !
Utter mindless pandering shit that has turned this country into a fucking joke .
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 22:16:27 GMT
I think the other parties would have turned up, and they would have taken the view that the meeting was in an Islamic centre and that Islamic traditions would be expected to be in place. I would never expect a politician to go against a significant proportion of voters in a marginal constituency. It begs the question that if the audience was Muslim but not segregated, and the Labour speakers were atheists, would they be hypocrites? I think the other parties would have turned up to too Richie.
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 22:20:02 GMT
Never shy away from telling the truth mate. Even if it offends the apologists. The truth is more important than their feelings. I never will cost me my job almost two years ago with a non departmental government department !, big fat cheque as a sweetener for legal reasons I am unable to expand. I have experienced cover up's, apologists, arse kissers, back stabbers, PC gone insane and the real results of mass immigration on the indigenous population of our country, not ideology real life experience but I am not bowed by it I will continue to call a spade a spade if it upsets some weak minded brainwashed individuals so be it, I fear we have lost our identity forever, English is a swear word to some fuck them, I am English I am white I love my family and my family history, I hate what we have become it sickens me Brilliant post mate. Agree with every word Unlike the brainwashed lemmings from the left on here I base my opinions on life experiences in the real world. I've served my country overseas in the army, I've done menial shitty warehouse and factory jobs, I've grafted on building sites and I've been on the dole , I've been skint and I've not known where my next meal was coming from. I've made mistakes I've met many different kinds of people from all walks of life and I've seem alot of the world. My views come from 1st hand accounts . I don't base my world view solely on what other people tell me. I don't take what the biased media says as gospel. I don't copy off anyone, I think what I think and am proud of it and anyone that us offended by that can fuck off and rot . I was born and bred in meir and spent most of my life there with proper working class people. I now live in a slightly more affluent area and have a reasonably well paid job. I'm more comfortable financially then I've ever been and that is all down to my own hard work. I've never had hand outs from anyone . The government has never helped me out in any way shape or form. All they have ever done is take. As a proud Englishman I hate what this country as become . Looking around its like a foreign country. Indigenous people are treated like 2nd class citizens in our own country and the PC brigade make constant allowances and excuses for immigrants. Young men have no pride any more. They don't have many opportunities around Stoke and many end up stuck on council estates living a shit life. Voting UKIP is the first step to giving people back a sense of pride . Parties like Labour and the Greens are what is wrong with this once great land of ours. If I didn't vote ukip tomorrow I'd be ashamed of myself
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 22:20:16 GMT
Same her Carps .... Why the fuck are we observing third world medieval ritual practises in the centre of our fucking country FFS ! Utter mindless pandering shit that has turned this country into a fucking joke . Do you not think that anyone should be able to do whatever they want to do provided it's within the laws of the land though mumf? So long as it's not going against our laws, and so long as no one is being physically or mentally hurt I'm not fussed what people do.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 22:31:46 GMT
No.....I don't . I think they should follow our lead and etiquette and enter the 21 St century rather than the archaic sexist practises they prefer to follow .
All head scarves covering their faces should be banned too.....again mindless idiotic religious indoctrination that countries like France have banned .
Arranged marriages should result in immediate deportation .....
The banning of all Halal meat practices ....Banned .
Live animal transportation .....banned.
FGM practise ....immediate deportation .
Religious education ....banned in all schools .
Terrorism conviction ....death penalty for treason .
Incitement to terrorism ...Deportation .
People trafficking ....Life inprisonment .
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 22:37:40 GMT
No.....I don't . I think they should follow our lead and etiquette and enter the 21 St century rather than the archaic sexist practises they prefer to follow . All head scarves covering their faces should be banned too.....again mindless idiotic religious indoctrination that countries like France have banned . Arranged marriages should result in immediate deportation ..... The banning of all Halal meat practices ....Banned . Live animal transportation .....banned. FGM practise ....immediate deportation . Religious education ....banned in all schools . That's just it though mumf, you'd have to make it against the law to do such things. I don't think that even a far right party like UKIP would ban the things you want banned.
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 22:43:52 GMT
No.....I don't . I think they should follow our lead and etiquette and enter the 21 St century rather than the archaic sexist practises they prefer to follow . All head scarves covering their faces should be banned too.....again mindless idiotic religious indoctrination that countries like France have banned . Arranged marriages should result in immediate deportation ..... The banning of all Halal meat practices ....Banned . Live animal transportation .....banned. FGM practise ....immediate deportation . Religious education ....banned in all schools . Terrorism conviction ....death penalty for treason . Incitement to terrorism ...Deportation . People trafficking ....Life inprisonment . Hear hear. When they walk around in their offensive burkas it's the same as the rednecks in the USA walking round in Ku Klux Klan outfits. Both are symbols of hatred and oppression and neither have any place in western countries. I don't know how true it is but apparently the RSPCA won't call for the banning of halal meat because they think it's ok because it's a religious practice. If this is true it's disgusting Halal meat, burkas and other symbols of conquest and oppression should be outlawed
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 22:44:25 GMT
Yes , in some instances the law would have to be changed , but that proves what an open sewer the country has allowed itself to become .
Secondly , I think the vast majority of UKIP supporters and many proud Englismen would agree with me in those points I have made .
You seem to vastly underestimate personal pride and standards .
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 22:47:11 GMT
Yes , in some instances the law would have to be changed , but that proves what an open sewer the country has allowed itself to become . Secondly , I think the vast majority of UKIP supporters and many proud Englismen would agree with me in those points I have made . You seem to vastly underestimate personal pride and standards . +1 Pride is the key mate.
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 22:47:59 GMT
Yes , in some instances the law would have to be changed , but that proves what an open sewer the country has allowed itself to become . Secondly , I think the vast majority of UKIP supporters and many proud Englismen would agree with me in those points I have made . You seem to vastly underestimate personal pride and standards . Would you ban all religions if you could?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 22:50:40 GMT
Yes.
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 23:00:01 GMT
Starting with the worst one - Islam
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 23:00:57 GMT
No.....I don't . I think they should follow our lead and etiquette and enter the 21 St century rather than the archaic sexist practises they prefer to follow . All head scarves covering their faces should be banned too.....again mindless idiotic religious indoctrination that countries like France have banned . Arranged marriages should result in immediate deportation ..... The banning of all Halal meat practices ....Banned . Live animal transportation .....banned. FGM practise ....immediate deportation . Religious education ....banned in all schools . Terrorism conviction ....death penalty for treason . Incitement to terrorism ...Deportation . People trafficking ....Life inprisonment . Hear hear. When they walk around in their offensive burkas it's the same as the rednecks in the USA walking round in Ku Klux Klan outfits. Both are symbols of hatred and oppression and neither have any place in western countries. I don't know how true it is but apparently the RSPCA won't call for the banning of halal meat because they think it's ok because it's a religious practice. If this is true it's disgusting Halal meat, burkas and other symbols of conquest and oppression should be outlawed I find the whole idea of Hala meat nauseating and distasteful ......and certainly the thought that we could be and probably are buying it and eating it without knowing it ...is outrageous .
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 6, 2015 23:02:54 GMT
Mumf, why the ban of live animals, ?,
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 23:04:45 GMT
Hear hear. When they walk around in their offensive burkas it's the same as the rednecks in the USA walking round in Ku Klux Klan outfits. Both are symbols of hatred and oppression and neither have any place in western countries. I don't know how true it is but apparently the RSPCA won't call for the banning of halal meat because they think it's ok because it's a religious practice. If this is true it's disgusting Halal meat, burkas and other symbols of conquest and oppression should be outlawed I find the whole idea of Hala meat nauseating and distasteful ......and certainly the thought that we could be and probably are buying it and eating it without knowing it ...is outrageous . I 100 % guarantee you now that you are eating it without your knowledge mate. My Mrs used to work in a Nursery and all the food that was served to the kids was halal despite Muslims making up less than 10% It was easier to ignore what the majority want in order to keep the minority happy. It's a matter of principle as well. We shouldn't be changing our ways to suit them. They should be changing their ways to suit us.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 23:07:41 GMT
Mumf, why the ban of live animals, ?, Sadly , I'm not at liberty to explain why . You can research it though yourself .
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 23:15:00 GMT
I find the whole idea of Hala meat nauseating and distasteful ......and certainly the thought that we could be and probably are buying it and eating it without knowing it ...is outrageous . I 100 % guarantee you now that you are eating it without your knowledge mate. My Mrs used to work in a Nursery and all the food that was served to the kids was halal despite Muslims making up less than 10% It was easier to ignore what the majority want in order to keep the minority happy. It's a matter of principle as well. We shouldn't be changing our ways to suit them. They should be changing their ways to suit us. It doesn't surprise me ......that can't and never will be right ....I reserve the right to buy and eat my food in the manner that I've always been accustomed to , not to suit a minority of people that quite frankly don't have the right to force this kind of thing on the majority of the population .....that is one thing that really does put a bee in my bonnet ....freedom of choice , it seems not
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 6, 2015 23:25:56 GMT
Mumf, why the ban of live animals, ?, Sadly , I'm not at liberty to explain why . You can research it though yourself . Well the animals have got to get from the farm to the abattoir. I know a lot of animals are transported live to the continent, but travelling times, rules etc have been changed for that, or do you mean something else
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 23:29:33 GMT
Mumf, why the ban of live animals, ?, Sadly , I'm not at liberty to explain why . You can research it though yourself . I understand where you are coming from on this
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Post by psychology on May 7, 2015 4:12:42 GMT
I think we have to be very careful when it comes to respecting the rights of other human beings to retain their cultural identities if they are not breaking the law. I dont see the voluntary segragation in this context as being a very important issue to be fair, particularly in this type of venue, although I can totally understand why it rattles some folks. It's different for sure, but I think we should be able to tolerate this stuff with ease.
In Norway for concerts and in entertainment venues the audiences have a tendeny to clap in unison (ie all at the same time). So if a group of Norwegians came to an A-ha gig at Wembley say, and started their clapping thing, should we denounce them as well? I dont think we can as it's a cultural phenomenon as opposed to religious constrict.
However, I do have problems with halal meat being introduced in secrecy though. And I think France are right to ban the covering of the face in public. We just have to find the right balance as I do think your average "British" person is just about on the limit of their tolerance.
Some are clearly well beyond. Finding the balance is the important issue for all concerned.
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2015 5:41:30 GMT
I think we have to be very careful when it comes to respecting the rights of other human beings to retain their cultural identities if they are not breaking the law. I dont see the voluntary segragation in this context as being a very important issue to be fair, particularly in this type of venue, although I can totally understand why it rattles some folks. It's different for sure, but I think we should be able to tolerate this stuff with ease. In Norway for concerts and in entertainment venues the audiences have a tendeny to clap in unison (ie all at the same time). So if a group of Norwegians came to an A-ha gig at Wembley say, and started their clapping thing, should we denounce them as well? I dont think we can as it's a cultural phenomenon as opposed to religious constrict. However, I do have problems with halal meat being introduced in secrecy though. And I think France are right to ban the covering of the face in public. We just have to find the right balance as I do think your average "British" person is just about on the limit of their tolerance. Some are clearly well beyond. Finding the balance is the important issue for all concerned. There's zero respect shown by one or two posters on this thread. Just 100% intolerance. It's Illuminating to see the hatred spilling out of their words. The truth is they are dreaming of a time that never was. Immigration has been part of our countries tradition for ever. And for ever there have been people vehemently opposed to it.
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Post by psychology on May 7, 2015 5:48:07 GMT
I think we have to be very careful when it comes to respecting the rights of other human beings to retain their cultural identities if they are not breaking the law. I dont see the voluntary segragation in this context as being a very important issue to be fair, particularly in this type of venue, although I can totally understand why it rattles some folks. It's different for sure, but I think we should be able to tolerate this stuff with ease. In Norway for concerts and in entertainment venues the audiences have a tendeny to clap in unison (ie all at the same time). So if a group of Norwegians came to an A-ha gig at Wembley say, and started their clapping thing, should we denounce them as well? I dont think we can as it's a cultural phenomenon as opposed to religious constrict. However, I do have problems with halal meat being introduced in secrecy though. And I think France are right to ban the covering of the face in public. We just have to find the right balance as I do think your average "British" person is just about on the limit of their tolerance. Some are clearly well beyond. Finding the balance is the important issue for all concerned. There's zero respect shown by one or two posters on this thread. Just 100% intolerance. It's Illuminating to see the hatred spilling out of their words. The truth is they are dreaming of a time that never was. Immigration has been part of our countries tradition for ever. And for ever there have been people vehemently opposed to it. It's part of the British condition. It's totally traditional to be outraged at foreigners and to blame them for lots of things they aren't responsible for. It's what we do! But from a practical numbers point of view we do need to reduce the potential numbers of migrants. We can't effectively house or school the people that are here already.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 6:10:22 GMT
I think we have to be very careful when it comes to respecting the rights of other human beings to retain their cultural identities if they are not breaking the law. I dont see the voluntary segragation in this context as being a very important issue to be fair, particularly in this type of venue, although I can totally understand why it rattles some folks. It's different for sure, but I think we should be able to tolerate this stuff with ease. In Norway for concerts and in entertainment venues the audiences have a tendeny to clap in unison (ie all at the same time). So if a group of Norwegians came to an A-ha gig at Wembley say, and started their clapping thing, should we denounce them as well? I dont think we can as it's a cultural phenomenon as opposed to religious constrict. However, I do have problems with halal meat being introduced in secrecy though. And I think France are right to ban the covering of the face in public. We just have to find the right balance as I do think your average "British" person is just about on the limit of their tolerance. Some are clearly well beyond. Finding the balance is the important issue for all concerned. There's zero respect shown by one or two posters on this thread. Just 100% intolerance. It's Illuminating to see the hatred spilling out of their words. The truth is they are dreaming of a time that never was. Immigration has been part of our countries tradition for ever. And for ever there have been people vehemently opposed to it. You use the words "hatred " and intolerance ... I think that's a very apt description of your thoughts towards me . I am someone who has just spelled out what should be normal behaviour for everyone . If all religion was banned and no favour showed to anyone , then the hatred you describe would not exist. In the last 30 years I have never met any Muslims , so to suggest there is some kind of hatred is quite simply ridiculous. Just because you want to see the British Isles become a province of the Far East shows what little pride and what poor standards you are prepared to put with. Leave the personal accusations to one side Pal , Because it's not clever and it's certainly not nice . You are making yourself look an idiot .
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Post by psychology on May 7, 2015 6:22:40 GMT
There's zero respect shown by one or two posters on this thread. Just 100% intolerance. It's Illuminating to see the hatred spilling out of their words. The truth is they are dreaming of a time that never was. Immigration has been part of our countries tradition for ever. And for ever there have been people vehemently opposed to it. You use the words "hatred " and intolerance ... I think that's a very apt description of your thoughts towards me . I am someone who has just spelled out what should be normal behaviour for everyone . If all religion was banned and no favour showed to anyone , then the hatred you describe would not exist. In the last 30 years I have never met any Muslims , so to suggest there is some kind of hatred is quite simply ridiculous. Just because you want to see the British Isles become a province of the Far East shows what little pride and what poor standards you are prepared to put with. Leave the personal accusations to one side Pal , Because it's not clever and it's certainly not nice . You are making yourself look an idiot . Forget Majorca....welcome to North Korea.
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