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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 2, 2015 16:53:05 GMT
I did not watch the game but I think the result shows that they are a bit better than us , they certainly seem to be able to move the ball quicker and have a system that suits them . Maybe with a fit Moses and Bojan and Odiminge we might have the movement to trouble them , but not with what we had today. We clearly lack an end product and have not defended well enough as a team this season and for me they are the two things to improve on next season along with set plays which have been poor at both ends .
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Post by stokeoptimist on May 2, 2015 16:55:03 GMT
I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but there do seem to be a lot more threads (over the past two seasons in my opinion) where individual players' performances are dissected. As you say, it's a football discussion forum, so it's bound to happen, but the trend before was to slag the team as a whole, or blame the manager. More people now seem to want to analyse every phase of play leading to any goal conceded. I don't think too many of them are qualified to do so, as there are a lot more things happening on a football pitch than most of us could pick up on, but that's football message boards for you. Not qualified to do so? What qualifications are those then? Maybe we should make sure everybody who posts on the Oatcake has done their coaching badges first eh? It's the internet, it's an extension of people discussing the game in the pub after the match, nothing more. Having said that, I do remember Macari once saying, that football professionals need to realise that the supporter in the stands quite often has a far better insight into how the game is played than they actually give them credit for. Maybe after reading this Forum he has changed his mind?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:57:20 GMT
I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but there do seem to be a lot more threads (over the past two seasons in my opinion) where individual players' performances are dissected. As you say, it's a football discussion forum, so it's bound to happen, but the trend before was to slag the team as a whole, or blame the manager. More people now seem to want to analyse every phase of play leading to any goal conceded. I don't think too many of them are qualified to do so, as there are a lot more things happening on a football pitch than most of us could pick up on, but that's football message boards for you. Not qualified to do so? What qualifications are those then? Maybe we should make sure everybody who posts on the Oatcake has done their coaching badges first eh? It's the internet, it's an extension of people discussing the game in the pub after the match, nothing more. Having said that, I do remember Macari once saying, that football professionals need to realise that the supporter in the stands quite often has a far better insight into how the game is played than they actually give them credit for. I'm not disagreeing with you as far as the nature of message boards are concerned. My main point was the changing nature where people seem more inclined nowadays to debate who should have been standing where at any given point. I've been to most home games over the past 40 years, but unless there's a blatant error, I don't think I'm that good at picking out who was ultimately responsible when a goal's conceded. Some people are genuinely knowledgable and can pick stuff out, but I reckon most are like me. As to the message board being like an extension of people discussing the match in the pub, I agree. And bloody hell, I've heard some bollocks talked in pubs.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2015 17:05:11 GMT
Not qualified to do so? What qualifications are those then? Maybe we should make sure everybody who posts on the Oatcake has done their coaching badges first eh? It's the internet, it's an extension of people discussing the game in the pub after the match, nothing more. Having said that, I do remember Macari once saying, that football professionals need to realise that the supporter in the stands quite often has a far better insight into how the game is played than they actually give them credit for. Maybe after reading this Forum he has changed his mind? Now you're making my point for me ... I'm pretty sure he doesn't read this forum, as most football professionals don't. There really isn't any need to take it so seriously. Do you really think Marc Wilson or Phil Bardsley gives a flying fook about a handful of internet geeks on the Oatcake criticising their performances today? Lineker and Shearer are going to pull the performances apart of numerous players tonight in front of MILLIONS and then Kamara will do it all over again in the morning. Not to mention the numerous radio phone-in's that are doing the very same right now.
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Post by metalhead on May 2, 2015 17:09:58 GMT
I do it win, lose or draw. It's the fairest way to be! And if they wanted it more than us then they all deserve a fucking slagging! You? Slagging off players? news to me
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 2, 2015 17:15:44 GMT
It happens every week, also a thread like this every week. It won't change.
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Post by sutt on May 4, 2015 15:31:35 GMT
Agreed this drives me mad. some of our players can go from being guaranteed starters to "Fuck him off, hes not good enough" football is inconsistent and players for a club our size are going to have inconsistent performances.
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Post by spitthedog on May 4, 2015 18:44:50 GMT
What is the difference between slagging and criticising?
Is their a distinction? And if so what is it?
Do you not think fans have a right to be critical?
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Post by Kjones9 on May 4, 2015 19:48:39 GMT
Very optimistic optomist. The problem is that we have quite a lot of fans who are know it all toss pots. So they go into games with a pre determined idea of how the player they have already said they don't rate has 'had a shit game' and how the player they love should've started anyway.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 4, 2015 20:31:59 GMT
Criticism is fine.
Personal character assassination based on old agendas?
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