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Post by stokeoptimist on May 2, 2015 16:11:11 GMT
Why do we do it?
Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2015 16:12:09 GMT
I do it win, lose or draw. It's the fairest way to be!  And if they wanted it more than us then they all deserve a fucking slagging!  |
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 2, 2015 16:12:39 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Absolutely. As soon as the first goal went in someone started a Bardsley thread. Sad really I do think the poster who blame Beardsley was being a tad harsh though |
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2015 16:13:37 GMT
If you want an honest answer folks find psychological relief through the open expression of strong emotions, it's cathartic.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 2, 2015 16:13:56 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Absolutely. As soon as the first goal went in someone started a Bardsley thread. Sad really I do think the poster who blame Beardsley was being a tad harsh though Very harsh to blame Beardsley, seeing as he retired years ago. |
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Post by mattythestokie on May 2, 2015 16:14:27 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! If we're losing to teams because we don't want it as much as them then the players deserve a bollocking. |
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 2, 2015 16:16:14 GMT
Absolutely. As soon as the first goal went in someone started a Bardsley thread. Sad really I do think the poster who blame Beardsley was being a tad harsh though Very harsh to blame Beardsley, seeing as he retired years ago. That was my point  Kitson and now poor old Beardsley |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2015 16:17:08 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? |
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:18:23 GMT
Absolutely. As soon as the first goal went in someone started a Bardsley thread. Sad really I do think the poster who blame Beardsley was being a tad harsh though Very harsh to blame Beardsley, seeing as he retired years ago.  |
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 2, 2015 16:19:12 GMT
They deserve it. Especially today.
That game must have cost us what, at least £500,000 in wages.
And the end outcome was not too dissimilar to some pissed up Sunday league players.
The players will always get my support, but they should never be immune to criticism.
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 2, 2015 16:19:26 GMT
Very harsh to blame Beardsley, seeing as he retired years ago. Obviously went over your head  |
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Post by jeycov on May 2, 2015 16:19:33 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Impossible to say if they wanted it more than us? I believe that we take to the field in a very positive frame of mind We played poorly, sounds like we could have conceded even more goals and struggled against a very organised side If we won every game , there would be nothing to moan about - not sure how some posters would cope with that  |
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Post by woodin43 on May 2, 2015 16:19:38 GMT
I will slag players off who are paid thousands of pounds a week, if they can't get the basics right - like being able to pass a ball to a team mate, or if I feel they're not putting 100% effort in.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:20:25 GMT
Ohh shut the fuck up, and fuck off with this shit week in week out we get Whelan threads, Geoff threads, Wilson threads... If anything he did desrve to get the dogs abuse it was a simple task... he failed to find his man, stay goal side and put pressure on him. So it's okay to slag others constantly but not certain ones?
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2015 16:21:08 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? There is analysis and criticism and there is knicker wetting hyperbolic rubbish. According to some every one of our players is shite. |
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Post by muglump on May 2, 2015 16:22:02 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Footballers get paid an absolute shitload for doing something we'd all pay to do if we could and if they don't give it there all they deserve a slagging. What I do hate, though, is when certain people single certain players out and have a go continually, justified or not. Stoke fans have done it as long as I can remember and it pisses me off. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:22:35 GMT
Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? There is analysis and criticism and there is knicker wetting hyperbolic rubbish. According to some every one of our players is shite. Oh the irony How's Johnny Walters nowadays? |
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:22:55 GMT
Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? There is analysis and criticism and there is knicker wetting hyperbolic rubbish. According to some every one of our players is shite. They say that because they don't have the bollox to defend someone... only criticize and when the table is turned they get up and fuck off... |
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 2, 2015 16:24:02 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? He never said that all. Totally see his point that some can't wait to jump down player's throats and he's right. There's criticism and plain slagging a player off |
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2015 16:24:06 GMT
There is analysis and criticism and there is knicker wetting hyperbolic rubbish. According to some every one of our players is shite. Oh the irony How's Johnny Walters nowadays? He's fine, along with Glenn Whelan and Geoff Cameron!!!!!! |
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Post by stokeoptimist on May 2, 2015 16:24:39 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? I am questioning why we feel the need to criticise individually, after all Football is a team sport. As a team Swansea played better than us, how is slagging Wilson or Bardsley off going to help? |
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Post by woodin43 on May 2, 2015 16:24:47 GMT
It's been no different for years! We used to say this kind of stuff on the terraces, on the way home, in the pub at night...its just on the internet now. It doesn't mean anything more than it used to, it doesn't carry anymore weight and it won't change anything...just like it never used to. It's just expression of feelings.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:25:21 GMT
Oh the irony How's Johnny Walters nowadays? He's fine, along with Glenn Whelan and Geoff Cameron!!!!!! |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2015 16:27:29 GMT
Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? There is analysis and criticism and there is knicker wetting hyperbolic rubbish. According to some every one of our players is shite. That's not what he said though is it? He said that we should just accept that we lost as a team and move on. HOW people express their criticism is a different thing entirely - that's what YOU'RE talking about and is irrelevant to the point I made. |
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:30:26 GMT
Obviously went over your head I know who peter beardsley is... fucking goons on here today. |
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 2, 2015 16:32:46 GMT
Obviously went over your head I know who peter beardsley is... fucking goons on here today. You said it   |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2015 16:33:09 GMT
Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? I am questioning why we feel the need to criticise individually, after all Football is a team sport. As a team Swansea played better than us, how is slagging Wilson or Bardsley off going to help? Because the team is made up of individuals, it's a whole made up of numerous component parts. And each one of those parts is worthy of both praise and criticism. Just because the whole team played well doesn't then mean that every player played well and equally just because the whole team played badly, doesn't then mean that every player played badly either. Do you think Mark Hughes doesn't analyse the individual positives and negatives of his team each week either? |
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:34:03 GMT
I know who peter beardsley is... fucking goons on here today. You said it Thank you I'm right.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:37:34 GMT
Why do we do it? Why can't we just accept we played poorly, are missing key players, running out of steam, and accept we lost to the better team on the day. They wanted it more than us! Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but there do seem to be a lot more threads (over the past two seasons in my opinion) where individual players' performances are dissected. As you say, it's a football discussion forum, so it's bound to happen, but the trend before was to slag the team as a whole, or blame the manager. More people now seem to want to analyse every phase of play leading to any goal conceded. I don't think too many of them are qualified to do so, as there are a lot more things happening on a football pitch than most of us could pick up on, but that's football message boards for you. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2015 16:46:47 GMT
Is it okay to criticise them when we win or drawn then? Or are you suggesting that on a football discussion forum, footballers should only ever be praised? I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but there do seem to be a lot more threads (over the past two seasons in my opinion) where individual players' performances are dissected. As you say, it's a football discussion forum, so it's bound to happen, but the trend before was to slag the team as a whole, or blame the manager. More people now seem to want to analyse every phase of play leading to any goal conceded. I don't think too many of them are qualified to do so, as there are a lot more things happening on a football pitch than most of us could pick up on, but that's football message boards for you. Not qualified to do so? What qualifications are those then? Maybe we should make sure everybody who posts on the Oatcake has done their coaching badges first eh? It's the internet, it's an extension of people discussing the game in the pub after the match, nothing more. Having said that, I do remember Macari once saying, that football professionals need to realise that the supporter in the stands quite often has a far better insight into how the game is played than they actually give them credit for. |
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