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Post by bojangoals on Apr 28, 2015 10:09:02 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2015 10:57:22 GMT
The professional victims, sorry, Arsenal fans are all getting a bit angry because John Terry is being called one of the best defenders of all time ahead of Tony Adams, who himself was a great defender.
In particular, Arsenal fans are angry because John Terry isn't a role model for young kids.......
Of course, Tony Adams is a terrific role model for kids, his alcoholism, bar fights, and numerous drink driving convictions are certainly something for all kids to the look up.
For what it's worth, I actually like Tony Adams, he was a terrific centre half, but fuck me, they're precious. Victims just being victims I guess.
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Post by onionman on Apr 28, 2015 13:17:58 GMT
The more I think about it, the more I think the problem is the fans themselves rather than Wenger or even the horrible bunch of scumbags Wenger has accumulated on his playing staff.
Even the world's stupidest man could spot that Wenger's claim that Chelsea were boring was obviously a distraction from his own team's ongoing failures. At most it was a pitiful (and clearly doomed from the beginning) attempt to encourage Mourinho to ditch his usual principles and turn up at the Emirates with a gung-ho playing style.
And yet, as always, the Arsenal fans simply fell into line with their idiotic messiah. Despite the fact Arsenal have scored less than Chelsea this season and played this match with a single prized fairy as their lone attacking striker, all they could muster was: "Boring boring Chelsea."
Just as they have fallen into line to try to destroy the careers of various opposing players who Wenger has singled out as scapegoats to distract from his own team's failings.
At Stoke, while our various managers may have the occasional sycophant on here defending their every word, they would never in a million years have a ground full of sheep prepared to fall into line and back up their bullshit, just because it's easier to do that than accept the manager himself is a failure.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2015 14:14:49 GMT
Really, Wenger over-achieved when he first arrived in England. He of course, won the cup double in 1998 when really Man Utd were miles ahead in the league. He then had his invincibles which rode their luck beyond rational belief. He's since been elected a god-like figure by their masses of Indian fans who now won't have a word said against their messiah. It's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy beyond belief.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:29:51 GMT
Really, Wenger over-achieved when he first arrived in England. He of course, won the cup double in 1998 when really Man Utd were miles ahead in the league. He then had his invincibles which rode their luck beyond rational belief. He's since been elected a god-like figure by their masses of Indian fans who now won't have a word said against their messiah. It's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy beyond belief. to be fair to Arsenal (5 words i never thought i'd hear myself say!) to say that "The invincibles rode their luck beyond rational belief" is very harsh on that particular side. still to this day the best footballing side i've seen play in the Prem; they were phenomenal not just in terms of the success they achieved at going the entire season unbeaten but also in the style of football they played, it was an absolute joy to watch. |
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Post by onionman on Apr 28, 2015 14:41:03 GMT
Really, Wenger over-achieved when he first arrived in England. He of course, won the cup double in 1998 when really Man Utd were miles ahead in the league. He then had his invincibles which rode their luck beyond rational belief. He's since been elected a god-like figure by their masses of Indian fans who now won't have a word said against their messiah. It's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy beyond belief. to be fair to Arsenal (5 words i never thought i'd hear myself say!) to say that "The invincibles rode their luck beyond rational belief" is very harsh on that particular side. still to this day the best footballing side i've seen play in the Prem; they were phenomenal not just in terms of the success they achieved at going the entire season unbeaten but also in the style of football they played, it was an absolute joy to watch. I also liked that Arsenal team. They had a combination of brilliant attacking flair, pace and power, solid defensive organisation and mental strength. It's only in the past few years that their fans have claimed half of those attributes somehow represent "anti-football". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:45:46 GMT
to be fair to Arsenal (5 words i never thought i'd hear myself say!) to say that "The invincibles rode their luck beyond rational belief" is very harsh on that particular side. still to this day the best footballing side i've seen play in the Prem; they were phenomenal not just in terms of the success they achieved at going the entire season unbeaten but also in the style of football they played, it was an absolute joy to watch. I also liked that Arsenal team. They had a combination of brilliant attacking flair, pace and power, solid defensive organisation and mental strength. It's only in the past few years that their fans have claimed half of those attributes somehow represent "anti-football". agreed mate...having said that i also agree with metalhead's sentiments apart from that one line. in general, they're cocks to a man! |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2015 14:48:51 GMT
Really, Wenger over-achieved when he first arrived in England. He of course, won the cup double in 1998 when really Man Utd were miles ahead in the league. He then had his invincibles which rode their luck beyond rational belief. He's since been elected a god-like figure by their masses of Indian fans who now won't have a word said against their messiah. It's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy beyond belief. to be fair to Arsenal (5 words i never thought i'd hear myself say!) to say that "The invincibles rode their luck beyond rational belief" is very harsh on that particular side. still to this day the best footballing side i've seen play in the Prem; they were phenomenal not just in terms of the success they achieved at going the entire season unbeaten but also in the style of football they played, it was an absolute joy to watch. Really? So all the diving and stuff which seemed to be routinely given as penalties weren't luck. They were a big team. They had the refs give them most of the decisions and ironically of course, what they've come to hate such as hard defending was considered acceptable. The main irony being Arsenal's invincibles wouldn't get away with half the shit they did back then, now. Physical players like Paddy Vieira and Ray Parlour just wouldn't be accepted as players... and Arsenal fans would fucking hate them lol. Hypocrisy at its finest. |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 28, 2015 15:43:49 GMT
The biggest irony of all is that Arsenal were the most boring, metronomic, predictable and ugly side in the country during the George Graham era. In fact, very similar to the Chelsea of today with poorer players. The chant "1-0 to the Arsenal" was born at this time. I can only presume that some Arsenal fans were supporting Liverpool back in those days.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 28, 2015 15:57:46 GMT
It was a bloody awful game of football no matter what anyone tries to say. On BBC Phil Neville was saying what a fascinating tactical battle.
The tactics were exactly what everyone predicted before the game. Mourinho parked the bus and Arsenal dont have a Plan B. About as fascinating as an episode of Eastenders in truth.
I do think when you are top of the league by 7 points and have a couple hundred million worth of talent on the pitch then you should be able to muster a few shots at the oppositions goal.
Chelsea will rightly become League Champions but based on the last 2 months alone they wont be remembered as a particularly great team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:07:56 GMT
It was a bloody awful game of football no matter what anyone tries to say. On BBC Phil Neville was saying what a fascinating tactical battle. The tactics were exactly what everyone predicted before the game. Mourinho parked the bus and Arsenal dont have a Plan B. About as fascinating as an episode of Eastenders in truth. I do think when you are top of the league by 7 points and have a couple hundred million worth of talent on the pitch then you should be able to muster a few shots at the oppositions goal. Chelsea will rightly become League Champions but based on the last 2 months alone they wont be remembered as a particularly great team. his job isn't to create a team that are remembered as greats though is it? indeed, hardly any managers that have won the Prem have managed that.....it's simply to win the Prem and he knows just how to do that! if he'd be playing against Burnley then i'd see your point but when you're this close to the title and playing against your major rivals for the trophy (let's face it Man City won't get second), why would anyone risk leaving gaps at the back when you have no need whatsoever to win the game? the season is a marathon not a sprint and all that and that 1 game doesn't negate some absolutely superb performances by Chelsea this year IMO. it's extremely efficient man management as it mitigates Arsenal's chances of opening up Chelsea's defence whilst at the same time lessening the chance of injuries to major talents like Hazard for the run in (let's remember that both Costa and Drogba got injured just a couple of weeks back against us). extremely sensible tactics at this stage of the season when you come up a very good side (which Arsenal have been for a while now). would Chelsea fans have been happier to go gung ho, leave holes at the back and lose the game with 5 games left to go just so they could be remembered as being slightly greater than they will be now? when we got promoted, did you give a shit that we'd just played a bore draw at home when we could have gone out for the glory of winning it well in our last home game on the last day? i know i didn't! it's wise sometimes to remember that football is, at times, as much about safety play as snooker is..it's not all pot black doubling balls off the cushions and exhibition shots! |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Apr 28, 2015 16:24:42 GMT
Chelsea's first half demolition of Swansea earlier this season is probably some of the most scintillating football played all season.Their attacking movement smacks of intelligence,and the ability to smother teams and effectively 'kill' games when necessary is a skill that all great League winning teams have possessed.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 28, 2015 16:28:59 GMT
Fuck both of these footballing geniuses who have the astounding ability to sign some of the world's best footballers and manage to get them to win football matches. Neither of the fuckers would have achieved what Eddie Howe has IMO.
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Post by onionman on Apr 28, 2015 16:56:52 GMT
The biggest irony of all is that Arsenal were the most boring, metronomic, predictable and ugly side in the country during the George Graham era. In fact, very similar to the Chelsea of today with poorer players. The chant "1-0 to the Arsenal" was born at this time. I can only presume that some Arsenal fans were supporting Liverpool back in those days. They were a million times more boring than this Chelsea team. Your last sentence might actually explain a lot. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 28, 2015 18:48:36 GMT
Really, Wenger over-achieved when he first arrived in England. He of course, won the cup double in 1998 when really Man Utd were miles ahead in the league. He then had his invincibles which rode their luck beyond rational belief. He's since been elected a god-like figure by their masses of Indian fans who now won't have a word said against their messiah. It's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy beyond belief. to be fair to Arsenal (5 words i never thought i'd hear myself say!) to say that "The invincibles rode their luck beyond rational belief" is very harsh on that particular side. still to this day the best footballing side i've seen play in the Prem; they were phenomenal not just in terms of the success they achieved at going the entire season unbeaten but also in the style of football they played, it was an absolute joy to watch. Any team with Kolo Toure as a fixture at centre back is pushing it's luck.  |
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Apr 29, 2015 15:57:44 GMT
I thought Chelsea up Stoke were phenomenal that day. They easily soaked up any pressure, took out Bojan by double marking him and hitting us with two great counters. Arsenal were lucky they weren't tonked on the day here, United scrapped a point. The only team I've been impressed against us was Citeh's second half demolition job. If we look at those games, the only reason Citeh aren't deserving of the title is the lack of consistency, Chelsea have been just that
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Post by metalhead on Apr 29, 2015 16:04:57 GMT
I thought Chelsea up Stoke were phenomenal that day. They easily soaked up any pressure, took out Bojan by double marking him and hitting us with two great counters. Arsenal were lucky they weren't tonked on the day here, United scrapped a point. The only team I've been impressed against us was Citeh's second half demolition job. If we look at those games, the only reason Citeh aren't deserving of the title is the lack of consistency, Chelsea have been just that If it hadn't been for the referee, we could have beaten Arsenal 4 or 5 nil. You know for a fact if Bojan had scored the 4th, they'd have genuinely fallen apart. Instead, revitalized by such a dreadful decision, they went down the other end and got a fucking awful penalty. Yet, if you read any of their forums, they unsurprisingly play the victim, because Chambers was (rightly) sent off. |
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Post by potterspele on Apr 29, 2015 19:04:34 GMT
I think Mourinho has a talent to get all his players to buy into those tactics when they need to and manage big egos in the process.
I reckon if someone went into arsenal and bought some decent defenders they would be able to craft a better team than Wenger has.
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