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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 22:00:26 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 27, 2015 22:07:04 GMT
Makes me wonder how long Coates and family will want to hang on to us.
It'll be a sad day if we are sold to foreign investors again.
Feels almost patriotic to have an English man owning the club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 22:12:45 GMT
Makes me wonder how long Coates and family will want to hang on to us. It'll be a sad day if we are sold to foreign investors again. Feels almost patriotic to have an English man owning the club. It'll be interesting if they do. The football club don't actually own the training ground or stadium...... |
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 27, 2015 22:22:51 GMT
First thing they will say is they want to bring vibrant, attacking football to the hawthorns. Tp had may aswell hand his notice in now
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Post by albertcamel on Apr 27, 2015 22:33:44 GMT
Not difficult to envisage a lot of potential owners from abroad attracted by the TV revenues in the Premiership. Most clubs will be able to turn a profit so long as all the cash does not find it's way into players and agents pockets
There is bound to be speculation about Stoke at some point shortly. Hopefully the Coates family will tell any potential suitors where to go
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 27, 2015 22:54:58 GMT
Makes me wonder how long Coates and family will want to hang on to us. It'll be a sad day if we are sold to foreign investors again. Feels almost patriotic to have an English man owning the club. It'll be interesting if they do. The football club don't actually own the training ground or stadium...... Really? Who owns them then? I thought Scfc owned the Brit at least or have I just assumed this? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 23:02:36 GMT
It'll be interesting if they do. The football club don't actually own the training ground or stadium...... Really? Who owns them then? I thought Scfc owned the Brit at least or have I just assumed this? Bet365 own the lot. But within that (I'm 99% sure this is right) the club and the ground/training ground are owned by two separate companies. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2015 23:05:31 GMT
I'm guessing they don't want Villa anymore then (the far east lot)?
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Post by prudhoe on Apr 28, 2015 1:14:17 GMT
Wonder what odds i can get on TP ending up at Bournemouth before next season is over!  |
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 28, 2015 1:36:42 GMT
Really? Who owns them then? I thought Scfc owned the Brit at least or have I just assumed this? Bet365 own the lot. But within that (I'm 99% sure this is right) the club and the ground/training ground are owned by two separate companies. Wonder if they have done this to protect the club from FFP? Would investment in ground expansion and training facilities be under scrutiny from that? Makes no sense the Coates' would short change the club? |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 28, 2015 7:19:50 GMT
If Labour get into power they are promising that 20% of shares will be offered to supporters in the event of a sale of club.
With this possible change in legislation on the horizon will mean a LOT of clubs being sold in the short-term before Labour can get it pushed through.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 28, 2015 9:59:08 GMT
£150M for West Brom.
Bearing in mind that includes the value of the squad, Stoke must be worth more.
Regarding the ownership of SCFC, the Brit and Clayton Woods - they might have different legal owners, but aren't they all ultimately owned by the Coates family?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2015 10:01:38 GMT
£150M for West Brom. Bearing in mind that includes the value of the squad, Stoke must be worth more. Regarding the ownership of SCFC, the Brit and Clayton Woods - they might have different legal owners, but aren't they all ultimately owned by the Coates family? They are, which is fine as things stand but I'd feel a little bit better if they were tied in to one company tbh so the club has the control of it. |
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Post by obhstokie on Apr 28, 2015 11:37:41 GMT
What happened to that Russian guy who was supposedly buying Stoke a couple of months back? I guess it was just a made up rumour.
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Post by stokiesteve on Apr 28, 2015 12:00:09 GMT
I don't see the Coates family parting with Stoke.
At least not for the foreseeable.
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Post by dadofsam on Apr 28, 2015 12:24:53 GMT
Whoever buys them may think they've got a pile of cash, but just wait til Tone's had the chequebook for a couple of windows
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Post by george2again on Apr 28, 2015 12:35:06 GMT
The days of ploughing millions in to the club are over unless the turnover allows you to do so. So unless someone gives WBA for example a 50 million sponsorship deal they are tied to what they can spend regardless of how much money the owners have. Hull being an example. There will be loopholes no doubt. Why do you think the big boys look for global appeal, more money , more spending.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 28, 2015 12:42:55 GMT
Actually with FFP in place and a 30% increase in revenue due from next year then Premier League clubs are looking a lot more profitable than we have seen previously.
A rich guy can buy West Brom for 150m with annual revenue of around 100m and make annual profits of 10-20m a year you would think.
Given that the clubs assets will continue to appreciate, plus the media exposure the owner gets from running an EPL club it all of a sudden looks like a good investment.
Which isnt good news for the fans of course as they are continually squeezed for every penny.
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Post by skip on Apr 28, 2015 13:12:21 GMT
I don't see the Coates family parting with Stoke. At least not for the foreseeable. Not if they have any sense. Bet365 owning Stoke, two local companies, one a traditional mainstay of the area and the other a significant employer is superb PR for the company and mutually beneficial to the whole area. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:20:45 GMT
Whoever buys them may think they've got a pile of cash, but just wait til Tone's had the chequebook for a couple of windows Don't know what you mean mate. When we bid 12M for this guy a few years ago, I don't know why Pete didn't up it to the 15M West Ham wanted. More to the point, I don't know why West Ham didn't rip our hands of for 12!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:50:27 GMT
Actually with FFP in place and a 30% increase in revenue due from next year then Premier League clubs are looking a lot more profitable than we have seen previously. A rich guy can buy West Brom for 150m with annual revenue of around 100m and make annual profits of 10-20m a year you would think. Given that the clubs assets will continue to appreciate, plus the media exposure the owner gets from running an EPL club it all of a sudden looks like a good investment. Which isnt good news for the fans of course as they are continually squeezed for every penny. I have never bought into that, the annual profits view. Stoke, like West Brom, are loss making businesses, we don't generate enough to pay our own bills, if we do, its near the knuckle breakeven. I can't see anyone (outside of a Man Utd with a worldwide brand) wanting a football club to make money. If you had £150 million, would you really care about making £10 million a year that much? One relegation and the players values tumble, attendances fall, advertising collapses, and its a world of pain. A 5% return on £150 million invested is £7.5 million a year...without any of the shit or risk that goes with it! Maybe the media exposure does help owners though in other areas, I suppose Coates gets a spike in exposure for bet365 with being an owner of a Premier League football club. Maybe that is worth Millions in additional turnover that you never get to see. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 28, 2015 15:48:12 GMT
Actually with FFP in place and a 30% increase in revenue due from next year then Premier League clubs are looking a lot more profitable than we have seen previously. A rich guy can buy West Brom for 150m with annual revenue of around 100m and make annual profits of 10-20m a year you would think. Given that the clubs assets will continue to appreciate, plus the media exposure the owner gets from running an EPL club it all of a sudden looks like a good investment. Which isnt good news for the fans of course as they are continually squeezed for every penny. I have never bought into that, the annual profits view. Stoke, like West Brom, are loss making businesses, we don't generate enough to pay our own bills, if we do, its near the knuckle breakeven. I can't see anyone (outside of a Man Utd with a worldwide brand) wanting a football club to make money. If you had £150 million, would you really care about making £10 million a year that much? One relegation and the players values tumble, attendances fall, advertising collapses, and its a world of pain. A 5% return on £150 million invested is £7.5 million a year...without any of the shit or risk that goes with it! Maybe the media exposure does help owners though in other areas, I suppose Coates gets a spike in exposure for bet365 with being an owner of a Premier League football club. Maybe that is worth Millions in additional turnover that you never get to see. Agree it has always been a loss making exercise in the past but I think times are a-changing. Look at the likes of Liverpool, Aston Villa, Newcastle, as well as Man United and Arsenal. The owners are involved to primarily make money on their investment and not rich benefactors who see it as an egotistical write-off. All the new Asian owners and anyone from the US is investing in the Premier League to make a good return. Whilst FFP is bringing a much needed sense of balance to a sport that was heading towards self-destruct, the main beneficiaries will be the owners and not supporters |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 19:40:58 GMT
I have never bought into that, the annual profits view. Stoke, like West Brom, are loss making businesses, we don't generate enough to pay our own bills, if we do, its near the knuckle breakeven. I can't see anyone (outside of a Man Utd with a worldwide brand) wanting a football club to make money. If you had £150 million, would you really care about making £10 million a year that much? One relegation and the players values tumble, attendances fall, advertising collapses, and its a world of pain. A 5% return on £150 million invested is £7.5 million a year...without any of the shit or risk that goes with it! Maybe the media exposure does help owners though in other areas, I suppose Coates gets a spike in exposure for bet365 with being an owner of a Premier League football club. Maybe that is worth Millions in additional turnover that you never get to see. Agree it has always been a loss making exercise in the past but I think times are a-changing. Look at the likes of Liverpool, Aston Villa, Newcastle, as well as Man United and Arsenal. The owners are involved to primarily make money on their investment and not rich benefactors who see it as an egotistical write-off. All the new Asian owners and anyone from the US is investing in the Premier League to make a good return. Whilst FFP is bringing a much needed sense of balance to a sport that was heading towards self-destruct, the main beneficiaries will be the owners and not supporters Yeah, maybe your right. I think the "brands", like the ones you mention may be able to turn a profit. I have no idea what you could do with a west from / stoke / hull (etc...) though, attendances are what they are and all these clubs are a relegation away from financial disaster for an investor. |
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