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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 27, 2015 16:05:46 GMT
My info says that Fulham are all ready in talks for him and are favourites Always doubted you, looks like you might be ITK afterall, although there is a chance he might not be going anywhere..... How do you mean not going anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 16:14:53 GMT
I hope he does well somewhere, always gave his all and will always feel cheated that Ronaldo wasn't sent off for lashing out against him in the manure match.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 27, 2015 17:03:03 GMT
My info says that Fulham are all ready in talks for him and are favourites Always doubted you, looks like you might be ITK afterall, although there is a chance he might not be going anywhere..... I don't make things up
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Post by Stokeontrent on Apr 27, 2015 17:31:08 GMT
Always doubted you, looks like you might be ITK afterall, although there is a chance he might not be going anywhere..... How do you mean not going anywhere? Hes out injured at the minute and its not looking to good for him to be honest
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 27, 2015 18:03:25 GMT
How do you mean not going anywhere? Hes out injured at the minute and its not looking to good for him to be honest Surely his contract is up.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 27, 2015 18:07:11 GMT
Wherever he goes, I wish him well. This ^^^ One of our own on the epic journey we have had in the last several years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 18:25:12 GMT
Crikey, it's hardly a major issue is it? He was handed a one year contract with the option of another year last spring. It was the right and decent thing for the club to do, especially as he'd just had a pretty bad injury - just as it was the right and decent thing to do with Rory Delap and will be with Peter Odemwingie. The club aren't going to give him the twelve month option and he'll be off. He's been a great player for us and served us well for fifteen years. When you think about some of the rank bluffers we've pissed money away on during that time, the extra twelve months he's had isn't worth losing any sleep over. I think it is. He should never have been given an extension. Like I said I love him and I'd play him over the two current incumbents but we don't and never did need a third choice right back as experienced as Wilko. It never made any sense, it still doesn't because it's clear the manager thinks he's not good enough.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 27, 2015 18:29:53 GMT
Wherever he goes, I wish him well. This ^^^ One of our own on the epic journey we have had in the last several years.
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Post by Davef on Apr 27, 2015 18:41:03 GMT
Crikey, it's hardly a major issue is it? He was handed a one year contract with the option of another year last spring. It was the right and decent thing for the club to do, especially as he'd just had a pretty bad injury - just as it was the right and decent thing to do with Rory Delap and will be with Peter Odemwingie. The club aren't going to give him the twelve month option and he'll be off. He's been a great player for us and served us well for fifteen years. When you think about some of the rank bluffers we've pissed money away on during that time, the extra twelve months he's had isn't worth losing any sleep over. I think it is. I'm sure you'll get over it at some stage.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 18:50:58 GMT
I'm sure you'll get over it at some stage. I'm sure I will but again it's something TP was chastised for, so I don't get why Hughes shouldn't be tbh. I just hope Crouch isn't the same tbh. Sidwell I would argue is, pointless signing then, pointless now. All managers do it but and it's well worth a discussion for me, especially when it's so obviously a poor decision like the Wilko one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 27, 2015 19:06:17 GMT
I'm sure you'll get over it at some stage. I'm sure I will but again it's something TP was chastised for, so I don't get why Hughes shouldn't be tbh. I just hope Crouch isn't the same tbh. Sidwell I would argue is, pointless signing then, pointless now. All managers do it but and it's well worth a discussion for me, especially when it's so obviously a poor decision like the Wilko one. It's probably cost us 1/50th of Palacios's 4 year deal to get a body in the 25 with nearly a hundred Premier League appearences who could help out in a crisis. I think it stands up as a 12 month deal by every measure.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Apr 27, 2015 19:10:35 GMT
Hes out injured at the minute and its not looking to good for him to be honest Surely his contract is up. Yeah it is, he may not go to another club
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 19:11:42 GMT
I'm sure I will but again it's something TP was chastised for, so I don't get why Hughes shouldn't be tbh. I just hope Crouch isn't the same tbh. Sidwell I would argue is, pointless signing then, pointless now. All managers do it but and it's well worth a discussion for me, especially when it's so obviously a poor decision like the Wilko one. It's probably cost us 1/50th of Palacios's 4 year deal to get a body in the 25 with nearly a hundred Premier League appearences who could help out in a crisis. I think it stands up as a 12 month deal by every measure. I think the stick over Palacios is pretty harsh tbh. We were all creaming ourselves over him signing, more so than Crouch. Questions certainly need to be asked of our medical staff over that one though. I just aren't a fan of charity when it comes to football, Wilko should never have had his contract renewed. We didn't need a body (as it's been shown even in a crisis), we don't need 3 experienced right backs, that's just plain idiotic. We need to fuck 2 right backs off and get one in.
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Post by liathroid on Apr 27, 2015 19:14:20 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2015 20:21:46 GMT
I'm sure you'll get over it at some stage. I'm sure I will but again it's something TP was chastised for, so I don't get why Hughes shouldn't be tbh. I just hope Crouch isn't the same tbh. Sidwell I would argue is, pointless signing then, pointless now. All managers do it but and it's well worth a discussion for me, especially when it's so obviously a poor decision like the Wilko one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Coates pushing for it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 20:26:05 GMT
I'm sure I will but again it's something TP was chastised for, so I don't get why Hughes shouldn't be tbh. I just hope Crouch isn't the same tbh. Sidwell I would argue is, pointless signing then, pointless now. All managers do it but and it's well worth a discussion for me, especially when it's so obviously a poor decision like the Wilko one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Coates pushing for it. Again if that's the case I don't like it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2015 20:31:24 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Coates pushing for it. Again if that's the case I don't like it. No its not great but I don't think its a big problem, didn't we do the same with Mama?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 20:38:31 GMT
Again if that's the case I don't like it. No its not great but I don't think its a big problem, didn't we do the same with Mama? Yup, I disagreed with that too. I hate it.
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Post by albertcamel on Apr 27, 2015 21:35:15 GMT
A reward for his service and commitment to the club. If that is the reason, it's not a very good one. Saint Peter has gone on record as stating Wilco is his favourite Stoke player. As Davef says I think the Club wanted to do the best they could by him. Good to have a local lad and fan of the Club in the in the squad. Time for Wilco to move on. Best wishes to him
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 21:37:47 GMT
If that is the reason, it's not a very good one. Saint Peter has gone on record as stating Wilco is his favourite Stoke player. As Davef says I think the Club wanted to do the best they could by him. Good to have a local lad and fan of the Club in the in the squad. Time for Wilco to move on. Best wishes to him They should have let him move, he'd have got a club easily, I really can't see how this was that good of a thing to do. If anything it's denied him a year playing regular football (injuries permitted).
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Post by albertcamel on Apr 27, 2015 22:02:00 GMT
Saint Peter has gone on record as stating Wilco is his favourite Stoke player. As Davef says I think the Club wanted to do the best they could by him. Good to have a local lad and fan of the Club in the in the squad. Time for Wilco to move on. Best wishes to him They should have let him move, he'd have got a club easily, I really can't see how this was that good of a thing to do. If anything it's denied him a year playing regular football (injuries permitted). Agree in hindsight. It's probably been a bit of a wasted season for the player but I think he has also suffered from his reoccurring back injury. i know sentiment does not play a large part in modern football but I like the way Stoke try to stand by players who are committed to the club. Look how we treated Delap and hopefully will do the same with Wingy. The way Stoke treat players probably has a lot to do with the fact that Peter Coates is a life long fan and not a MIke Ashley type owner. Long may it continue. We all know football is a business but I like the fact our club has a bit more soul than many others.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 22:05:41 GMT
They should have let him move, he'd have got a club easily, I really can't see how this was that good of a thing to do. If anything it's denied him a year playing regular football (injuries permitted). Agree in hindsight. It's probably been a bit of a wasted season for the player but I think he has also suffered from his reoccurring back injury. i know sentiment does not play a large part in modern football but I like the way Stoke try to stand by players who are committed to the club. Look how we treated Delap and hopefully will do the same with Wingy. The way Stoke treat players probably has a lot to do with the fact that Peter Coates is a life long fan and not a MIke Ashley type owner. Long may it continue. We all know football is a business but I like the fact our club has a bit more soul than many others. Is it hindsight though? It was almost certain once announced Hughes wasn't really going to fancy Wilko and that was confirmed throughout that season. He would have got a club easily, he's a fine player imo and like I said I'd still fancy him over the current two right backs but his contract extension didn't make any sense. You can have soul (we will with Wingie) but I just don't see how that comes into it with Wilko tbh.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 27, 2015 22:46:21 GMT
No its not great but I don't think its a big problem, didn't we do the same with Mama? Yup, I disagreed with that too. I hate it. Didn't think you would
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 28, 2015 16:35:26 GMT
It's probably cost us 1/50th of Palacios's 4 year deal to get a body in the 25 with nearly a hundred Premier League appearences who could help out in a crisis. I think it stands up as a 12 month deal by every measure. I think the stick over Palacios is pretty harsh tbh. We were all creaming ourselves over him signing, more so than Crouch. Questions certainly need to be asked of our medical staff over that one though. I just aren't a fan of charity when it comes to football, Wilko should never have had his contract renewed. We didn't need a body (as it's been shown even in a crisis), we don't need 3 experienced right backs, that's just plain idiotic. We need to fuck 2 right backs off and get one in. I think it's pretty much accepted wisdom that to get through a Premiership season you need 2 options for every position, perhaps 3 for keepers. Defender wise we had:- Wilko Bardsley Cameron Huth (injured) Wilson Shawcross Pieters Muniesa It made absolutely perfect sense to keep one of Wilko or Shotton here as cover, considering Huth's fitness issues and the fact we may have needed Cameron to cover either centre-back or midfield at some point. Squads will often have players on low wages who'll make less than 5 appearances for the first team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2015 16:43:31 GMT
I think the stick over Palacios is pretty harsh tbh. We were all creaming ourselves over him signing, more so than Crouch. Questions certainly need to be asked of our medical staff over that one though. I just aren't a fan of charity when it comes to football, Wilko should never have had his contract renewed. We didn't need a body (as it's been shown even in a crisis), we don't need 3 experienced right backs, that's just plain idiotic. We need to fuck 2 right backs off and get one in. I think it's pretty much accepted wisdom that to get through a Premiership season you need 2 options for every position, perhaps 3 for keepers. Defender wise we had:- Wilko Bardsley Cameron Huth (injured) Wilson Shawcross Pieters Muniesa It made absolutely perfect sense to keep one of Wilko or Shotton here as cover, considering Huth's fitness issues and the fact we may have needed Cameron to cover either centre-back or midfield at some point. Squads will often have players on low wages who'll make less than 5 appearances for the first team. Cameron Shawcross Wilson Pieters Bardsley Huth Tex Muni Was more than enough, with the prospect that Tex was never going to play (he has done over Wilko, which says a lot because Tex imo is like that lad Soton signed). 3 right backs is overkill especially when you have so many defenders that cover various positions (Cameron-CB, Bardo-LB, Muni-CB, Wilson LB/RB). Wilko will be on 15/20k......I'd like to think that'd go a long way to a decent right back.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 28, 2015 16:52:23 GMT
I think it's pretty much accepted wisdom that to get through a Premiership season you need 2 options for every position, perhaps 3 for keepers. Defender wise we had:- Wilko Bardsley Cameron Huth (injured) Wilson Shawcross Pieters Muniesa It made absolutely perfect sense to keep one of Wilko or Shotton here as cover, considering Huth's fitness issues and the fact we may have needed Cameron to cover either centre-back or midfield at some point. Squads will often have players on low wages who'll make less than 5 appearances for the first team. Cameron Shawcross Wilson Pieters Bardsley Huth Tex Muni Was more than enough, with the prospect that Tex was never going to play (he has done over Wilko, which says a lot because Tex imo is like that lad Soton signed). 3 right backs is overkill especially when you have so many defenders that cover various positions (Cameron-CB, Bardo-LB, Muni-CB, Wilson LB/RB). Wilko will be on 15/20k......I'd like to think that'd go a long way to a decent right back. Tex was too much of a gamble to be included as a genuine first team squad option. He'd have probably been sent on loan had he not been injured, and had we not had a defensive crisis for a few months. We knew what Wilko could do and he deserved a bit of loyalty. Giving him 12 months at that time was the right thing to do- as is releasing him now as he's clearly deteriorated a bit due to age and injuries.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 28, 2015 16:55:28 GMT
The answer to this 'mystery' might be much more simple. Remember how utterly incredulous we all were that Tonge got a further year on his 4 year contract? That, I believe came about because his original contract which we offered when we were trying to attract him here, contained an option for a further year which he was able to exercise. It could well be that Wilco's original contract (when he WAS in favour) contained a similar clause........just a thought.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2015 16:58:08 GMT
Cameron Shawcross Wilson Pieters Bardsley Huth Tex Muni Was more than enough, with the prospect that Tex was never going to play (he has done over Wilko, which says a lot because Tex imo is like that lad Soton signed). 3 right backs is overkill especially when you have so many defenders that cover various positions (Cameron-CB, Bardo-LB, Muni-CB, Wilson LB/RB). Wilko will be on 15/20k......I'd like to think that'd go a long way to a decent right back. Tex was too much of a gamble to be included as a genuine first team squad option. He'd have probably been sent on loan had he not been injured, and had we not had a defensive crisis for a few months. We knew what Wilko could do and he deserved a bit of loyalty. Giving him 12 months at that time was the right thing to do- as is releasing him now as he's clearly deteriorated a bit due to age and injuries. I disagree, he's a 21/22 year old, players like that should be ready or close to or not signed for me. He wasn't injured for the first part of the season, I have no idea why he wasn't loaned then other than no bugger wanted him after watching him play....I wouldn't blame them. And it definitely wasn't, the manager clearly thinks he's not very good, how he ever got I contract I don't know. Yeah we've done marvellously for him there......
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Post by apb1 on Apr 29, 2015 13:21:55 GMT
Will he get on the bench for the final home game? Shame he's injured so might miss out, I still dream of him getting a goal some day in our colours...
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