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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 27, 2015 21:27:02 GMT
The SNP thing is all just baseless scaremongering though, isn't it?
The SNP have categorically ruled out doing anything that would prop up a Conservative government. They are interested in nothing but keeping the Conservatives out of Government and putting Labour there. If they did end up doing anything to support the Conservatives, they'd be wiped out even more quickly than the Lib Dems. They won't be in a formal coalition with Labour (probably to the benefit of both parties), so they won't be represented in the cabinet. They can't vote against the Queen's speech because that would let the Conservatives in, so Labour have no need to allow them to have any input on that or the budget. They might have a lot of MPs in Parliament that bring up Scotland quite a lot (shock! horror! the Scottish have elected representatives that will try to represent Scotland in parliament!), but the only power that the party will have is to prevent the Conservatives forming a Government.
In fact, if the Conservatives were really concerned only for the welfare of the country, they could always agree to abstain on the Queen's speech so that the approval of the SNP didn't come into it at all. I bet they wouldn't, though.
Frankly, the stench of hypocrisy from the Conservatives is sickening. If they want to go on about undemocratic coalitions, how about they try to estimate how many Conservative voters would have supported a coalition with the Lib Dems and vice versa.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 27, 2015 22:08:56 GMT
One thing to look forward to is if Farage gets elected as an mp then the parliament show on tv will certainly become alot more entertaining and will certainly give the public who have not heard his speeches in the eu parliament a chance to see him make the main two complete idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 7:42:15 GMT
The SNP thing is all just baseless scaremongering though, isn't it? The SNP have categorically ruled out doing anything that would prop up a Conservative government. They are interested in nothing but keeping the Conservatives out of Government and putting Labour there. If they did end up doing anything to support the Conservatives, they'd be wiped out even more quickly than the Lib Dems. They won't be in a formal coalition with Labour (probably to the benefit of both parties), so they won't be represented in the cabinet. They can't vote against the Queen's speech because that would let the Conservatives in, so Labour have no need to allow them to have any input on that or the budget. They might have a lot of MPs in Parliament that bring up Scotland quite a lot (shock! horror! the Scottish have elected representatives that will try to represent Scotland in parliament!), but the only power that the party will have is to prevent the Conservatives forming a Government. In fact, if the Conservatives were really concerned only for the welfare of the country, they could always agree to abstain on the Queen's speech so that the approval of the SNP didn't come into it at all. I bet they wouldn't, though. Frankly, the stench of hypocrisy from the Conservatives is sickening. If they want to go on about undemocratic coalitions, how about they try to estimate how many Conservative voters would have supported a coalition with the Lib Dems and vice versa. Totally agree 100 %. !
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Post by mcf on Apr 28, 2015 7:57:25 GMT
The SNP thing is all just baseless scaremongering though, isn't it? The SNP have categorically ruled out doing anything that would prop up a Conservative government. They are interested in nothing but keeping the Conservatives out of Government and putting Labour there. If they did end up doing anything to support the Conservatives, they'd be wiped out even more quickly than the Lib Dems. They won't be in a formal coalition with Labour (probably to the benefit of both parties), so they won't be represented in the cabinet. They can't vote against the Queen's speech because that would let the Conservatives in, so Labour have no need to allow them to have any input on that or the budget. They might have a lot of MPs in Parliament that bring up Scotland quite a lot (shock! horror! the Scottish have elected representatives that will try to represent Scotland in parliament!), but the only power that the party will have is to prevent the Conservatives forming a Government. In fact, if the Conservatives were really concerned only for the welfare of the country, they could always agree to abstain on the Queen's speech so that the approval of the SNP didn't come into it at all. I bet they wouldn't, though. Frankly, the stench of hypocrisy from the Conservatives is sickening. If they want to go on about undemocratic coalitions, how about they try to estimate how many Conservative voters would have supported a coalition with the Lib Dems and vice versa. What hypocrisy is there? Like most conservatives, if it was to be coalition between Labour and the SNP then I would hate it but would accept it. That hatred is less intense on the basis that I won't have to be here to watch it mind. Given that the Tories didn't win a majority last time out, I was reasonably happy that the Lib Dems did go into coalition with them...certainly better than many of the alternatives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 8:18:47 GMT
The SNP thing is all just baseless scaremongering though, isn't it? The SNP have categorically ruled out doing anything that would prop up a Conservative government. They are interested in nothing but keeping the Conservatives out of Government and putting Labour there. If they did end up doing anything to support the Conservatives, they'd be wiped out even more quickly than the Lib Dems. They won't be in a formal coalition with Labour (probably to the benefit of both parties), so they won't be represented in the cabinet. They can't vote against the Queen's speech because that would let the Conservatives in, so Labour have no need to allow them to have any input on that or the budget. They might have a lot of MPs in Parliament that bring up Scotland quite a lot (shock! horror! the Scottish have elected representatives that will try to represent Scotland in parliament!), but the only power that the party will have is to prevent the Conservatives forming a Government. In fact, if the Conservatives were really concerned only for the welfare of the country, they could always agree to abstain on the Queen's speech so that the approval of the SNP didn't come into it at all. I bet they wouldn't, though. Frankly, the stench of hypocrisy from the Conservatives is sickening. If they want to go on about undemocratic coalitions, how about they try to estimate how many Conservative voters would have supported a coalition with the Lib Dems and vice versa. Totally agree 100 %. ! There is plenty of hypocrisy flying around at the moment ....and by no means is it all eminating from the Conservative corner !
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Post by mcf on Apr 28, 2015 9:19:55 GMT
There is plenty of hypocrisy flying around at the moment ....and by no means is it all eminating from the Conservative corner ! we can live with Labour hypocrisy though...just not their stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 9:22:05 GMT
There is plenty of hypocrisy flying around at the moment ....and by no means is it all eminating from the Conservative corner ! we can live with Labour hypocrisy though...just not their stupidity. Unfortunately , we may have no option .
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 28, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
The SNP thing is all just baseless scaremongering though, isn't it? The SNP have categorically ruled out doing anything that would prop up a Conservative government. They are interested in nothing but keeping the Conservatives out of Government and putting Labour there. If they did end up doing anything to support the Conservatives, they'd be wiped out even more quickly than the Lib Dems. They won't be in a formal coalition with Labour (probably to the benefit of both parties), so they won't be represented in the cabinet. They can't vote against the Queen's speech because that would let the Conservatives in, so Labour have no need to allow them to have any input on that or the budget. They might have a lot of MPs in Parliament that bring up Scotland quite a lot (shock! horror! the Scottish have elected representatives that will try to represent Scotland in parliament!), but the only power that the party will have is to prevent the Conservatives forming a Government. In fact, if the Conservatives were really concerned only for the welfare of the country, they could always agree to abstain on the Queen's speech so that the approval of the SNP didn't come into it at all. I bet they wouldn't, though. Frankly, the stench of hypocrisy from the Conservatives is sickening. If they want to go on about undemocratic coalitions, how about they try to estimate how many Conservative voters would have supported a coalition with the Lib Dems and vice versa. What hypocrisy is there? Like most conservatives, if it was to be coalition between Labour and the SNP then I would hate it but would accept it. That hatred is less intense on the basis that I won't have to be here to watch it mind. Given that the Tories didn't win a majority last time out, I was reasonably happy that the Lib Dems did go into coalition with them...certainly better than many of the alternatives. It's hypocritical because there's a lot of hysteria and screaming coming out of the Conservative camp about the dangers of the SNP being in Parliament and in particular about how it's all so undemocratic, when the reality is that we've just come off the back of a coalition that had (comparatively) no mandate to govern the country.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 28, 2015 21:34:48 GMT
What hypocrisy is there? Like most conservatives, if it was to be coalition between Labour and the SNP then I would hate it but would accept it. That hatred is less intense on the basis that I won't have to be here to watch it mind. Given that the Tories didn't win a majority last time out, I was reasonably happy that the Lib Dems did go into coalition with them...certainly better than many of the alternatives. It's hypocritical because there's a lot of hysteria and screaming coming out of the Conservative camp about the dangers of the SNP being in Parliament and in particular about how it's all so undemocratic, when the reality is that we've just come off the back of a coalition that had (comparatively) no mandate to govern the country. they did though because our system allows the party with the most MPs to try and form a government with help from other parties. The coalition had more MPs than any other group so has that mandate.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 28, 2015 21:47:03 GMT
What hypocrisy is there? Like most conservatives, if it was to be coalition between Labour and the SNP then I would hate it but would accept it. That hatred is less intense on the basis that I won't have to be here to watch it mind. Given that the Tories didn't win a majority last time out, I was reasonably happy that the Lib Dems did go into coalition with them...certainly better than many of the alternatives. It's hypocritical because there's a lot of hysteria and screaming coming out of the Conservative camp about the dangers of the SNP being in Parliament and in particular about how it's all so undemocratic, when the reality is that we've just come off the back of a coalition that had (comparatively) no mandate to govern the country. It is undemocratic when its the leader who isnt even standing for election threatens to pull the strings
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Post by mcf on Apr 29, 2015 6:36:10 GMT
What hypocrisy is there? Like most conservatives, if it was to be coalition between Labour and the SNP then I would hate it but would accept it. That hatred is less intense on the basis that I won't have to be here to watch it mind. Given that the Tories didn't win a majority last time out, I was reasonably happy that the Lib Dems did go into coalition with them...certainly better than many of the alternatives. It's hypocritical because there's a lot of hysteria and screaming coming out of the Conservative camp about the dangers of the SNP being in Parliament and in particular about how it's all so undemocratic, when the reality is that we've just come off the back of a coalition that had (comparatively) no mandate to govern the country. I think the circumstances are very much different given one of the parties wants to 'supposedly' do the best for Scotland and Scotland alone - they are not bothered that other UK taxpayers subsidize them - they will simply do what's best for Scottish people. This was simply not the case for the Lib Dems. It's about fairness and consistency in relation to English votes for English laws and simple fear about what a Labour/SNP alliance could do.
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