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Post by Pugsley on Apr 18, 2015 17:38:07 GMT
Are you American or an ex-pat? Ex-pat... Does that mean I know fuck all about football if I were American??? Because the American in our side today had the most tackles for Stoke... Not at all. It seems Americans like their stats and a lot of the sport over there appears to be dominated by statistics. You keep mentioning stats in a lot of your posts so I was wondering if you were a sceptic. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I say what I see with my own eyes, and Cameron was very poor, stats or not.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 18, 2015 17:39:07 GMT
Let's not beat around the bush. Cameron was utter shit (along with a few others). I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 17:39:12 GMT
Why was Whelan taken off when he was clearly MoM yet again by a country mile? He saved us from conceding time and time again. Guess who's back? Back again. Marchys back. Tell your friends. Guess who's back,guess who's back......
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 17:40:28 GMT
That midfield in the first half was diabolical. Whelan and Ireland need their wages stopping and Nzonzi can kiss goodbye to any top side coming in for him. A dreadful, gutless performance. Ireland was clearly injured, AGAIN, from a pretty shocking challenge. I thought he started the game really brightly until that challenge. Whelan was shocking with the ball but excellent without it, plugging practically every gap in the process including a stint in goal when Bego inexplicably went wandering. I thought N'zonzi was excellent and presumably he is being slaughtered for a few minute spell when he was absolutely shattered and seemed like he could barely put one foot in front of the other. He got his breath back and played exellently thereafter. Cameron was woeful. Really woeful. I would say that is as bad as we've played at home but we won so all is well and is credit to the team for digging in really. My other overriding observation from today is that Diouf must tear his fucking hair out playing up front in front of our midfield, who for all their qualities, don't have an ounce of vision between them. He must have made 100 runs today and he didn't get the ball once despite it being obvious he'd got the beating of their centre halves after less than 5 minutes. The Midfield was our problem today... Utter woeful... Never seen defenders have more possession and passing accuracy than 3/4th our midfield... Glenn was a joke the first half with possession and passing and the second half he was a plug and pushed so far back he might as well been a defender.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 17:43:10 GMT
Let's not beat around the bush. Cameron was utter shit (along with a few others). I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named? He wasn't The Glenda thread was deleted... as the unmentionable god that he is cannot be criticized but we can get a 15+ page one for a US player who was our best defender statistically today and had the most tackles and a 77% passing accuracy going forward... more than half the midfield... it's the oatcake...
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 18, 2015 17:44:40 GMT
That midfield in the first half was diabolical. Whelan and Ireland need their wages stopping and Nzonzi can kiss goodbye to any top side coming in for him. A dreadful, gutless performance. Ireland was clearly injured, AGAIN, from a pretty shocking challenge. I thought he started the game really brightly until that challenge. Whelan was shocking with the ball but excellent without it, plugging practically every gap in the process including a stint in goal when Bego inexplicably went wandering. I thought N'zonzi was excellent and presumably he is being slaughtered for a few minute spell when he was absolutely shattered and seemed like he could barely put one foot in front of the other. He got his breath back and played exellently thereafter. Cameron was woeful. Really woeful. I would say that is as bad as we've played at home but we won so all is well and is credit to the team for digging in really. My other overriding observation from today is that Diouf must tear his fucking hair out playing up front in front of our midfield, who for all their qualities, don't have an ounce of vision between them. He must have made 100 runs today and he didn't get the ball once despite it being obvious he'd got the beating of their centre halves after less than 5 minutes. Your last paragraph could be key to next season. Doesn't tie in with your comments on N'Zonzi though.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 17:47:06 GMT
Let's not beat around the bush. Cameron was utter shit (along with a few others). I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named? Because it's a thread about right backs maybe? Perhaps I've misunderstood the thread. I have named and shamed plenty more on WD's thread (as I alluded to by saying he wasn't the only one if you notice). I don't rate Cameron much, he runs down blind alleys and is weak in the challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 17:47:39 GMT
Geoff Cameron was absolutely awful today but to be fair he wasn't the only one. Shawcross was bloody awful as well. Whelan was at his imperious worst but I will say one thing for him he never hides. A strange game but a welcome three points we move on.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 17:49:59 GMT
I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named? He wasn't The Glenda thread was deleted... as the unmentionable god that he is cannot be criticized but we can get a 15+ page one for a US player who was our best defender statistically today and had the most tackles and a 77% passing accuracy going forward... more than half the midfield... it's the oatcake... So he had a good game did he? I don't care what stats there are, he (along with others for the Cameron police) was utter gash and offered nothing. If that's not what happened today then I reckon I'd better get to Specsavers tomorrow.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 18, 2015 17:50:20 GMT
I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named? He wasn't The Glenda thread was deleted... as the unmentionable god that he is cannot be criticized but we can get a 15+ page one for a US player who was our best defender statistically today and had the most tackles and a 77% passing accuracy going forward... more than half the midfield... it's the oatcake... Considering Cameron doesn't attempt to pass the ball more than 5 yards, 77% passing accuracy is a bit of a joke really. You do know the saying about stats don't you?
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 17:51:27 GMT
He wasn't The Glenda thread was deleted... as the unmentionable god that he is cannot be criticized but we can get a 15+ page one for a US player who was our best defender statistically today and had the most tackles and a 77% passing accuracy going forward... more than half the midfield... it's the oatcake... So he had a good game did he? I don't care what stats there are, he (along with others for the Cameron police) was utter gash and offered nothing. If that's not what happened today then I reckon I'd better get to Specsavers tomorrow. He was defensively sound and went forward when available... so now it's he doesn't offer anything... You lot change your tune to often.. lol Most tackles for a stoke player...
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 18, 2015 17:51:36 GMT
I mean, come on, we have just won the game against a team competing for Champions League. And if so, why is Cameron the only one named? Because it's a thread about right backs maybe? Perhaps I've misunderstood the thread. I have named and shamed plenty more on WD's thread (as I alluded to by saying he wasn't the only one if you notice). I don't rate Cameron much, he runs down blind alleys and is weak in the challenge. Fair enough, my angst is against the thread as a whole. Just noticed someone had the balls to mention Shawcross.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 17:53:05 GMT
Because it's a thread about right backs maybe? Perhaps I've misunderstood the thread. I have named and shamed plenty more on WD's thread (as I alluded to by saying he wasn't the only one if you notice). I don't rate Cameron much, he runs down blind alleys and is weak in the challenge. Fair enough, my angst is against the thread as a whole. Just noticed someone had the balls to mention Shawcross. I have on the other thread. Ryan had possibly his worst game in a Stoke shirt and I think he's catching Wolly's risk taking.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 17:53:47 GMT
So he had a good game did he? I don't care what stats there are, he (along with others for the Cameron police) was utter gash and offered nothing. If that's not what happened today then I reckon I'd better get to Specsavers tomorrow. He was defensively sound and went forward when available... so now it's he doesn't offer anything... You lot change your tune to often.. lol Most tackles for a stoke player... So I ask again, did he play well?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2015 17:53:59 GMT
I thought he was orate defensively.
But with the ball he was useless.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 17:54:12 GMT
He wasn't The Glenda thread was deleted... as the unmentionable god that he is cannot be criticized but we can get a 15+ page one for a US player who was our best defender statistically today and had the most tackles and a 77% passing accuracy going forward... more than half the midfield... it's the oatcake... Considering Cameron doesn't attempt to pass the ball more than 5 yards, 77% passing accuracy is a bit of a joke really. You do know the saying about stats don't you? I know the key stats are used to evaluate a players worth... and the last few games Cameron's worth has gone up. Besides... those more than 5 yard passes are more than Glenn could do all match, had to bypass him at times dribble up to Walters he was that bad the first half. He couldn't string a 1 yard pass.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 17:55:54 GMT
I thought he was orate defensively. But with the ball he was useless. Yep, his problems came when he was in possession which I keep getting told is his forte.
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Post by trigger on Apr 18, 2015 17:56:32 GMT
It was a toss up between Whelan and Cameron who was the biggest con artists in the first half, Whelan was an embarrassment whilst Cameron was without their best player.
I hope to God that Hughes will strengthen both positions in the coming months
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 17:59:30 GMT
He was defensively sound and went forward when available... so now it's he doesn't offer anything... You lot change your tune to often.. lol Most tackles for a stoke player... So I ask again, did he play well? Defensively yes, as he was a fullback. Did he concede a goal opportunity? No, did he get a card? No, did he tackle and intercept the ball? Yes (most for a stoke player) Did he go forward on the counter? Yes. Did he have a good passing day? Yes 77% Did he attempt crosses? Yes Where they successful? No. 1 bad thing out of a overall good performance from a defender... Yes, he had a good day as a fullback and defender.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:00:31 GMT
So I ask again, did he play well? Defensively yes, as he was a fullback. Did he concede a goal opportunity? No, did he get a card? No, did he tackle and intercept the ball? Yes (most for a stoke player) Did he go forward on the counter? Yes. Did he have a good passing day? Yes 77% Did he attempt crosses? Yes Where they successful? No. 1 bad thing out of a overall good performance from a defender... Yes, he had a good day as a fullback and defender. Ok we'll leave it at that. You think he's Roberto Carlos reborn and I don't.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 18:00:50 GMT
I thought he was orate defensively. But with the ball he was useless. Yep, his problems came when he was in possession which I keep getting told is his forte. Actually his possession was quite good. it was his crossing which was dire. Only Nzonzi and Arnie had higher possession. I don't think you saw how often he brought the ball up to the forwards.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 18, 2015 18:10:35 GMT
In answer to the original post no we don't need Wilko back at all BUT why the hell Bardsley isn't playing is beyond me.Yes he gave the goal away at West Brom but for me he's head and shoulders better than Cameron at full back who is like Wilson an accident waiting to happen. Also like has been said Ryan was poor today and for me since the injury he's not been on his game.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:11:52 GMT
In answer to the original post no we don't need Wilko back at all BUT why the hell Bardsley isn't playing is beyond me.Yes he gave the goal away at West Brom but for me he's head and shoulders better than Cameron at full back who is like Wilson an accident waiting to happen. Also like has been said Ryan was poor today and for me since the injury he's not been on his game. One of Ryan's worst ever showings for me, mate. He's caught Wolly's risk taking tendencies!
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 18, 2015 18:14:19 GMT
Ryan was shocking at times and better up at there end. Weird performance from him. Must keep playing full 90's
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 18, 2015 18:14:53 GMT
In answer to the original post no we don't need Wilko back at all BUT why the hell Bardsley isn't playing is beyond me.Yes he gave the goal away at West Brom but for me he's head and shoulders better than Cameron at full back who is like Wilson an accident waiting to happen. Also like has been said Ryan was poor today and for me since the injury he's not been on his game. One of Ryan's worst ever showings for me, mate. He's caught Wolly's risk taking tendencies! He seems to have done Jamo and as a partnership they look suspect for me.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:17:31 GMT
One of Ryan's worst ever showings for me, mate. He's caught Wolly's risk taking tendencies! He seems to have done Jamo and as a partnership they look suspect for me. I keep getting shouted down on Twitter that Wolly is the answer to all our prayers but I haven't see it at all yet and still wouldn't be fussed if we decided against signing him to be honest.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 18, 2015 18:25:55 GMT
He seems to have done Jamo and as a partnership they look suspect for me. I keep getting shouted down on Twitter that Wolly is the answer to all our prayers but I haven't see it at all yet and still wouldn't be fussed if we decided against signing him to be honest. Huth is a better defender mate and i nothing will change my mind on that.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 18, 2015 18:30:40 GMT
I keep getting shouted down on Twitter that Wolly is the answer to all our prayers but I haven't see it at all yet and still wouldn't be fussed if we decided against signing him to be honest. Huth is a better defender mate and i nothing will change my mind on that. The it I don't get is when people talk about how much better he is in possession. Clearly he is but given how deep Glenn and N'Zonzi come to receive the ball our defenders don't need to be that good just play simple 5 yard passes that I know for a fact Huth can play. Wolly takes too many risks and isn't physical enough for me but that's my personal opinion. I like defenders to defend first and foremost as that's what gets you clean sheets.
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Post by march4 on Apr 18, 2015 18:32:02 GMT
Huth is a better defender mate and i nothing will change my mind on that. The it I don't get is when people talk about how much better he is in possession. Clearly he is but given how deep Glenn and N'Zonzi come to receive the ball our defenders don't need to be that good just play simple 5 yard passes that I know for a fact Huth can play. Wolly takes too many risks and isn't physical enough for me but that's my personal opinion. I like defenders to defend first and foremost as that's what gets you clean sheets. Huth is easily superior to Wolly. Look at how Leicester's results have improved since Huth has been a settled part of their team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 18:32:43 GMT
Even Shotton, anyone but Cameron at right back. Probably the worst performance ever seen in the top flight by a Stoke City full back. Bardsley MUST play. Special mention to Glenn Whelan as well who, in the first half especially, gave a masterclass in how not to play football. To be honest we were poor all over but great win. Weren't you around when we had Danny Collins
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