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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 16:32:49 GMT
To be fair there vote is rock solid so a chimp could lead the party and they would still sweep Scotland. The rise of the SNP has and will lead to hung parliaments from now on the "big" two are over. Agree totally, which is why ultimately we are heading for a Tory/Labour Super Coalition. Already gathering steam, maybe not now, but certainly in the future. It works in Germany, so why not here.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 16:36:05 GMT
After the SNP lost the independence referendum her main aim ahead of the next one appears to be to extort as much money as possible from the treasury and have it sent up to Scotland. The SNP tail wagging the UK dog with Ed Milliband notionally at the helm is a terrifying prospect to me. that was pretty much their plan even if they HAD gained independence wasn't it? "We want no connection with Great Britain at all...well, apart from keeping your NHS, your currency and not having to pay back any of our share of the national debt" They can sod off when we've extracted the last drop of oil and the last lobster , good riddance
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Post by Billybigbollox on Apr 17, 2015 22:48:01 GMT
I'd shag her. To be quite frank I think she'd like it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 23:26:32 GMT
I'd shag her. To be quite frank I think she'd like it. You are most definitely a connoisseur Bill.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 19:54:19 GMT
I don't think so, unless you can find me evidecne otherwise, in which case fair enough. To me she came across as very pro-Scottish, very anti-Tory and very anti-Westminster political ruling class but not especially anti-English. Maybe I missed it? So Pro Scottish, Anti Tory, Anti Westminster having a say in Scottish issues, but seemingly heading for No 10 in a coalition...NO THANK YOU. The fact that she bangs on about Westminster should butt out of Scotland says to me she belongs north of the border and NOT IN WESTMINSTER. We all know the Scottish vote for non independence was such a flimsy majority that it is inevitable that it will happen again, and that they will almost certainly vote yes, so what then, surely any coalition with the SNP would be completely null and void. But, that is a consequence of the current way our two countries work, Shanghai! Two parliaments, with the larger one sat over the top of the smaller! As I said, either have independence or don't, not this half arsed arrangement we've got now where you inevitably get the kind of set up you're talking about. And while she's leader of a UK parliamentary party with representation in the UK parliament she's more than entitled to bang on about whatever she likes north or south of the border whether you or I like it or not!
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Post by zeroprobe on Apr 18, 2015 20:14:21 GMT
More reason to vote UKIP in areas where Conservatives have no chance.
ie Stoke for one.
Vote UKIP, I for one want to see an end to the Scottish getting everything free and more so if the SNP get a deal with Labour.
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:19:51 GMT
More reason to vote UKIP in areas where Conservatives have no chance. ie Stoke for one. Vote UKIP, I for one want to see an end to the Scottish getting everything free and more so if the SNP get a deal with Labour. Just a bunch of ex tories though aren't they? Why would a working class man vote for a party of ex-conservatives pretending they are the voice of the people? Nah. Fuck ukip.
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Post by DansViews on Apr 18, 2015 20:25:19 GMT
Why would a working class man vote for anyone these days ? Who is the party for the working class?
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Post by zeroprobe on Apr 18, 2015 20:32:08 GMT
I'm working class and support conservatives.
If I was on Job seekers, I would still support conservatives. On Job seekers I wouldn't expect benefits to cover new TV's, holidays etc.
I don't understand why working class shouldn't vote conservative? What is wrong with work hard play hard?
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:35:55 GMT
I'm working class and support conservatives. If I was on Job seekers, I would still support conservatives. On Job seekers I wouldn't expect benefits to cover new TV's, holidays etc. I don't understand why working class shouldn't vote conservative? What is wrong with work hard play hard? You are a moron. Debate would be pointless.
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:38:06 GMT
Why would a working class man vote for anyone these days ? Who is the party for the working class? Anti austerity, free education, opposed to the creeping privatisation of the NHS, anti Trident............ The SNP it seems.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2015 20:42:49 GMT
Why would a working class man vote for anyone these days ? Who is the party for the working class? Anti austerity, free education, opposed to the creeping privatisation of the NHS, anti Trident............ The SNP it seems. I thought you had to live in Scotland to vote for the SNP .
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Post by zeroprobe on Apr 18, 2015 20:44:10 GMT
Free free free, gimme gimme gimme.
Oh **** were like Greece now.
One day Labour supporters.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2015 20:53:14 GMT
I'm working class and support conservatives. If I was on Job seekers, I would still support conservatives. On Job seekers I wouldn't expect benefits to cover new TV's, holidays etc. I don't understand why working class shouldn't vote conservative? What is wrong with work hard play hard? Historically I would agree with you, however the Labour party in my opinion no longer reflects the needs of true working class people, they are also the party that is chiefly at fault for the mass immigration that we have in this country, I have always voted Labour in the past I will not be voting Labour again until they return to their grass roots, a vote for Labour at the moment would just about kill the country in my opinion that is of course. The tories are the party of the rich/middle class wannabes who have failed in most of the pledges they made before the last election. For that reason I will either abstain or vote for the party that appears to have one firm objective, I feel it is the one issue that needs addressing immediately the country is full to bursting point, we can not cope with the numbers of low skilled low payed migrant workers we are admitting at the moment it has to stop.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 18, 2015 20:53:29 GMT
Why would a working class man vote for anyone these days ? Who is the party for the working class? Anti austerity, free education, opposed to the creeping privatisation of the NHS, anti Trident............ The SNP it seems. Who in Engalnd though? Certainly not Labour: Free education? Labour introduced tuition fees, and now want to limit them to the bargain £6k per year; Privaitisation of the NHS, currently 6% of the NHS budget but was 4% after 13 years of Labour rule; Trident, Labour are commited to Trident; Anti austerity, who knows, Ed Balls despite helping cause the massive deficit now knows how to balance the books and increase spending! Nah, they're not for me, I'll stick with UKIP.
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:54:05 GMT
Quite right, why should education and health care be free............
Bloody dirty commies
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:56:14 GMT
Anti austerity, free education, opposed to the creeping privatisation of the NHS, anti Trident............ The SNP it seems. Who in Engalnd though? Certainly not Labour: Free education? Labour introduced tuition fees, and now want to limit them to the bargain £6k per year; Privaitisation of the NHS, currently 6% of the NHS budget but was 4% after 13 years of Labour rule; Trident, Labour are commited to Trident; Anti austerity, who knows, Ed Balls despite helping cause the massive deficit now knows how to balance the books and increase spending! Nah, they're not for me, I'll stick with UKIP. Can't remember mentioning Labour but hey ho..........Thanks for the reply???
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2015 20:57:20 GMT
Quite right, why should education and health care be free............ Bloody dirty commies Are the SNP communist then, that could be why they feel the Labour party would be a good bed fellow
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 20:58:24 GMT
Quite right, why should education and health care be free............ Bloody dirty commies Are the SNP communist then, that could be why they feel the Labour party would be a good bed fellow Pisser you are. But what the fuck you on about?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 18, 2015 21:00:35 GMT
Who in Engalnd though? Certainly not Labour: Free education? Labour introduced tuition fees, and now want to limit them to the bargain £6k per year; Privaitisation of the NHS, currently 6% of the NHS budget but was 4% after 13 years of Labour rule; Trident, Labour are commited to Trident; Anti austerity, who knows, Ed Balls despite helping cause the massive deficit now knows how to balance the books and increase spending! Nah, they're not for me, I'll stick with UKIP. Can't remember mentioning Labour but hey ho..........Thanks for the reply??? No problem mate, but I never said you did. Just thought that seeing as I can't vote SNP, I'd try to work out who the working man in ENGLAND should vote for, as I said in the opening sentance, Doh.
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Post by kbillyh on Apr 18, 2015 21:08:03 GMT
Can't remember mentioning Labour but hey ho..........Thanks for the reply??? No problem mate, but I never said you did. Just thought that seeing as I can't vote SNP, I'd try to work out who the working man in ENGLAND should vote for, as I said in the opening sentance, Doh. You've already decided, don't pretend you haven't. You want to vote for a bunch of ex-conservatives.....go for it. Debate is pointless.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 18, 2015 21:12:23 GMT
Are the SNP communist then, that could be why they feel the Labour party would be a good bed fellow Pisser you are. But what the fuck you on about? Ta Duck.
Free education , prescriptions etc Scotland.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 18, 2015 21:19:03 GMT
No problem mate, but I never said you did. Just thought that seeing as I can't vote SNP, I'd try to work out who the working man in ENGLAND should vote for, as I said in the opening sentance, Doh. You've already decided, don't pretend you haven't. You want to vote for a bunch of ex-conservatives.....go for it. Debate is pointless. Your quite right I have. I am interested though in who old school Labour supporters are now going to vote for. In Scotland they've clearly jumped ship to the SNP. In England though they seem to be sticking with Tory Lite and voting for Ed. I've more respect for the Jocks to be honest who are at least principled and not pretending that Labour are in any way the party of the working man. Scroungers yes, working man not a chance.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Apr 18, 2015 22:07:29 GMT
Why would a working class man vote for anyone these days ? Who is the party for the working class? Whatever is left of the genuine working class is over 40. I don't know how the sociologists rate the poor these days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 22:13:48 GMT
You've already decided, don't pretend you haven't. You want to vote for a bunch of ex-conservatives.....go for it. Debate is pointless. Your quite right I have. I am interested though in who old school Labour supporters are now going to vote for. In Scotland they've clearly jumped ship to the SNP. In England though they seem to be sticking with Tory Lite and voting for Ed. I've more respect for the Jocks to be honest who are at least principled and not pretending that Labour are in any way the party of the working man. Scroungers yes, working man not a chance. Good point .....and in answer to you .... I don't know. I haven't changed , but the party has .
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 19, 2015 12:13:50 GMT
You've already decided, don't pretend you haven't. You want to vote for a bunch of ex-conservatives.....go for it. Debate is pointless. Your quite right I have. I am interested though in who old school Labour supporters are now going to vote for. In Scotland they've clearly jumped ship to the SNP. In England though they seem to be sticking with Tory Lite and voting for Ed. I've more respect for the Jocks to be honest who are at least principled and not pretending that Labour are in any way the party of the working man. Scroungers yes, working man not a chance. It's hard to figure what is the biggest factor in driving Labour voters to the SNP; I'm not sure it's just because of their flagship leftish policies, because their administration has, like most others, sat in the middle ground focussing as much on wealth creation (where they behave pretty much as Tories) as on spending money (free tuition, prescriptions etc). There are three other factors that I reckon are important and, in part, quite specific to Scotland. 1) yes labour voters at last year's referendum deciding to stay with the Independence Party 2) talent gap - Labour's bright young things go to Westminster, the SNP's stay at home. Meaning there us a gulf in class between the Labour MSPs and the SNP ones, particular in the leaders. Salmond and Sturgeon are top notch politicians, their Labour equivalents have been conference standard 3) Labour have run large parts of Scotland for decades. Folk are getting a big bored! Questioning why, for example, Glasgow has so many long standing issues. Devolution means Westminster can no longer be blamed, so the focus is on labour. Above all, the SNP are perceived (fairly IMO) to have run a competent administration for the past few years. And they are being rewarded for that. BTW - I don't see this as a mandate for another referendum in the immediate future. The SNP need to be careful with that as they could drive away supporters - you can see their nervousness on this topic in the recent Scottish TV leader debates.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Apr 19, 2015 15:04:07 GMT
I'd shag her. To be quite frank I think she'd like it. You are most definitely a connoisseur Bill. Anyone who says they wouldn't is a fibber Bish. :-)
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Post by Nick1984 on Apr 19, 2015 15:06:47 GMT
Miliband will have to make a deal with her whether he likes it or not.
And after Ed Balls plunges us back into recession she'll get her second referendum and her Yes vote.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:24:38 GMT
You are most definitely a connoisseur Bill. Anyone who says they wouldn't is a fibber Bish. :-) I'll take your word for it Bill ....
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 19, 2015 18:18:38 GMT
Is it true she isn't even standing in the election?
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