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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 10:54:25 GMT
Immigrants are good.....100's of 1000's are bad Tzc
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 10:57:26 GMT
Are you fucking thick or just daft? A bit of both - but at least I know I am.
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 10:59:23 GMT
Immigrants are good.....100's of 1000's are bad Tzc So what number is a 'good' number then? 2,500 - 5,000 - 25,000 - 100,000?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:02:34 GMT
Immigrants are good.....100's of 1000's are bad Tzc So what number is a 'good' number then? 2,500 - 5,000 - 25,000 - 100,000? The number we could accommodate without having a negative affect on citizens already here 25k per yr sounds great to me or a bit more
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 17, 2015 11:05:44 GMT
Immigrants are good.....100's of 1000's are bad Tzc At least Farage has stuck to his guns on the subject. All the other parties on the debate last night attacked him for his stance, but he is right: we are already seeing the effects of mass immigration and the other parties are to scared to admit it. Labour won't because they encouraged one and all to come here. Of course the audience was handpicked last night as it is on Question Time every week; I can't believe anyone can claim otherwise.
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 11:09:05 GMT
So what number is a 'good' number then? 2,500 - 5,000 - 25,000 - 100,000? The number we could accommodate without having a negative affect on citizens already here 25k per yr sounds great to me or a bit more So that's 0.04% of an increase on the current population then? (That's if no-one leaves here)
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 11:11:24 GMT
What does the future hold for kippers if farage loses his seat I dont think he will Harry this could be just the start for them. Neil Hamilton could take over
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:13:10 GMT
I dont think he will Harry this could be just the start for them. Neil Hamilton could take over What a pisser that could be
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 11:15:40 GMT
Neil Hamilton could take over What a pisser that could be He could be deputy PM
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Post by countofmontecristo on Apr 17, 2015 11:16:51 GMT
I agree totally, great program and after last night I have also ruled out a tory win www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=farageIronically Nigel's family history shows his ancestors could well have originated from Ireland, Syria, France or Cuba. Immigrants eh? JFHC. Farage himself has spoken openly of his Huguenot heritage. This coupled with the fact that he married a German would suggest to neutral observers that he is unlikely to be either anti-immigration or anti-European. If you have a pre-conceived agenda though.........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:18:48 GMT
What a pisser that could be He could be deputy PM I would much rather it be Nigel can you imagine him overseas it would a laugh if nothing else.
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 11:19:03 GMT
Farage himself has spoken openly of his Huguenot heritage. This coupled with the fact that he married a German would suggest to neutral observers that he is unlikely to be either anti-immigration or anti-European. If you have a pre-conceived agenda though......... I heard him say this morning he wants us out of Europe - how more anti-Europe would you like?
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Post by countofmontecristo on Apr 17, 2015 11:23:16 GMT
Farage himself has spoken openly of his Huguenot heritage. This coupled with the fact that he married a German would suggest to neutral observers that he is unlikely to be either anti-immigration or anti-European. If you have a pre-conceived agenda though......... I heard him say this morning he wants us out of Europe - how more anti-Europe would you like? Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it?
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 11:25:36 GMT
I heard him say this morning he wants us out of Europe - how more anti-Europe would you like? Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it? It's the wrong kind of Europeans as he said a while ago
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 11:29:12 GMT
He could be deputy PM I would much rather it be Nigel can you imagine him overseas it would a laugh if nothing else. Nigel outside NO10 having a fag
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 11:42:04 GMT
I heard him say this morning he wants us out of Europe - how more anti-Europe would you like? Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it? There's no need to be so rude. In 2 replies you've accused me of having a "pre-conceived agenda" and that a Federalist Union shouldn't be "that difficult to understand." Taking us out of Europe seems pretty anti-European to me. UKIP = UK Independence Party - are they not Eurosceptics?
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 11:48:30 GMT
Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it? There's no need to be so rude. In 2 replies you've accused me of having a "pre-conceived agenda" and that a Federalist Union shouldn't be "that difficult to understand." Taking us out of Europe seems pretty anti-European to me. UKIP = UK Independence Party - are they not Eurosceptics? It should be UK ISOLATION PARTY
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:50:24 GMT
The number we could accommodate without having a negative affect on citizens already here 25k per yr sounds great to me or a bit more So that's 0.04% of an increase on the current population then? (That's if no-one leaves here) To be fair Where you live you won't see much of the problem caused by MASS immigration will you? It's quantity and quality that needs reviewing and that can't and won't be done because our leaders are weak 30 - 50k per yr is what it was before Blair......that was manageable ......Cameron has no choice but to continue with open door as that is European law and he is the uk manager that has to do what he is told by our real leaders in Brussels So Back to your first stupid post....ukip are only against UNCONTROLLED immigration......common fucking sense surely?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:53:29 GMT
Farage himself has spoken openly of his Huguenot heritage. This coupled with the fact that he married a German would suggest to neutral observers that he is unlikely to be either anti-immigration or anti-European. If you have a pre-conceived agenda though......... I heard him say this morning he wants us out of Europe - how more anti-Europe would you like? You are doing what lefties do... just listening to what you want to listen to...... Yes he wants us out......but also wants us to trade and be friendly neighbours without political union....why is that anti Europe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:54:22 GMT
If this government and future governments used the £120 Billion that we have spent over the last 17 years training our own kids into becoming nurses and doctors then to a great extent we would not be in this mess . But , that is just the tip f the iceberg . The same could be said about engineering , pharmaceuticals and other professional jobs .
The problem has arisen by lack of investment by successive governments who have allowed market forces and public opinion to alienate those industries which we have in the past invested in . This ideology started in the main under Margaret Thatcher and has led us the the situation we now face .
The selling off of council houses also has had a dramatic impact too. A new house has to be built every 7 minutes just to satisfy the current housing shortfall , but most young people simply could not afford to buy them anyway. At the moment there is 300,000 immigrants coming into the country and all our resources are being stretched to breaking point. That breaking point is less than 5 years time in my view . Once the elastic band snaps , the whole damn lot will collapse around our feet . When this does happen , emergency legislation will have to be enforced . I am talking about drastic measures to curb immigration . We have already witnessed big increases in hospital waiting times , and also shortage of school places and London is likely to be the worst affected area . Make sure you have tuned up your TV for sky news as the riots start in and around Londons Ghetto areas.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Apr 17, 2015 11:56:21 GMT
Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it? There's no need to be so rude. In 2 replies you've accused me of having a "pre-conceived agenda" and that a Federalist Union shouldn't be "that difficult to understand." Taking us out of Europe seems pretty anti-European to me. UKIP = UK Independence Party - are they not Eurosceptics? Apologies if you think that's being rude. Being a Eurosceptic is NOT being anti-european. It's being anti-EU. There is a world of difference between the two.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:56:36 GMT
Wanting out of a Federalist union that no-one voted for is NOT Anti-European. It's Anti-Federalist state! It's not that difficult to understand is it? It's the wrong kind of Europeans as he said a while ago Left you you the uk would be a gypo site then? Oops nearly there
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 11:59:34 GMT
If this government and future governments used the £120 Billion that we have spent over the last 17 years training our own kids into becoming nurses and doctors then to a great extent we would not be in this mess . But , that is just the tip f the iceberg . The same could be said about engineering , pharmaceuticals and other professional jobs . The problem has arisen by lack of investment by successive governments who have allowed market forces and public opinion to alienate those industries which we have in the past invested in . This ideology started in the main under Margaret Thatcher and has led us the the situation we now face . The selling off of council houses also has had a dramatic impact too. A new house has to be built every 7 minutes just to satisfy the current housing shortfall , but most young people simply could not afford to buy them anyway. At the moment there is 300,000 immigrants coming into the country and all our resources are being stretched to breaking point. That breaking point is less than 5 years time in my view . Once the elastic band snaps , the whole damn lot will collapse around our feet . When this does happen , emergency legislation will have to be enforced . I am talking about drastic measures to curb immigration . We have already witnessed big increases in hospital waiting times , and also shortage of school places and London is likely to be the worst affected area . Make sure you have tuned up your TV for sky news as the riots start in and around Londons Ghetto areas. Agree
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 11:59:40 GMT
So that's 0.04% of an increase on the current population then? (That's if no-one leaves here) To be fair Where you live you won't see much of the problem caused by MASS immigration will you? It's quantity and quality that needs reviewing and that can't and won't be done because our leaders are weak 30 - 50k per yr is what it was before Blair......that was manageable ......Cameron has no choice but to continue with open door as that is European law and he is the uk manager that has to do what he is told by our real leaders in Brussels So Back to your first stupid post....ukip are only against UNCONTROLLED immigration......common fucking sense surely? I'm interested in what 'controlled' means. I'm all for people who make a positive contribution to our society by working (pay their taxes etc) living here. Please don't swear either - there's no need for it. YFTBC
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Post by countofmontecristo on Apr 17, 2015 12:03:37 GMT
There's no need to be so rude. In 2 replies you've accused me of having a "pre-conceived agenda" and that a Federalist Union shouldn't be "that difficult to understand." Taking us out of Europe seems pretty anti-European to me. UKIP = UK Independence Party - are they not Eurosceptics? It should be UK ISOLATION PARTY Isolation is what North Korea does. Independance is what Norway does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:04:31 GMT
To be fair Where you live you won't see much of the problem caused by MASS immigration will you? It's quantity and quality that needs reviewing and that can't and won't be done because our leaders are weak 30 - 50k per yr is what it was before Blair......that was manageable ......Cameron has no choice but to continue with open door as that is European law and he is the uk manager that has to do what he is told by our real leaders in Brussels So Back to your first stupid post....ukip are only against UNCONTROLLED immigration......common fucking sense surely? I'm interested in what 'controlled' means. I'm all for people who make a positive contribution to our society by working (pay their taxes etc) living here. Please don't swear either - there's no need for it. YFTBC Sorry .....fuckface "Controlled" point system same as Australia .....also no previous convicted criminals
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 17, 2015 12:05:02 GMT
The big issue I have with UKIP is this . nobody can argue with 90% of what farage says , immigration needs to be reduced , our armed forces need proper funding , nhs for UK taxpayers , foreign aid needs to be better targeted , euro federalism needs to be stopped nobody from left or right could sensibly argue against any of it for me any talk of a withdrawal from the EU leaves UKIP dead in the water all of his policies stem from this , if it ever happens you will see a flight of capital and jobs over to mainland Europe that will cripple this country
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Post by Orbs on Apr 17, 2015 12:05:19 GMT
There's no need to be so rude. In 2 replies you've accused me of having a "pre-conceived agenda" and that a Federalist Union shouldn't be "that difficult to understand." Taking us out of Europe seems pretty anti-European to me. UKIP = UK Independence Party - are they not Eurosceptics? Apologies if you think that's being rude. Being a Eurosceptic is NOT being anti-european. It's being anti-EU. There is a world of difference between the two. That's OK. I would be worried that pulling us out of the EU would lead to a decrease in trade between us and the other European countries. Maybe a gamble not worth taking despite the money paid to Brussels.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:06:38 GMT
" controlled " in my view means ....
Where any job cannot be sourced or funded internally by those people already living here.
They must have a PROFESSIONAL JOB to go to.
If they haven't or have gained entry illegally , then they should face immediate deportation using commissioned merchant navy ships and aircraft where possible.
It might be expensive , but nowhere near as expensive as keeping them here for the next 5 years arguing the toss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:13:28 GMT
The big issue I have with UKIP is this . nobody can argue with 90% of what farage says , immigration needs to be reduced , our armed forces need proper funding , nhs for UK taxpayers , foreign aid needs to be better targeted , euro federalism needs to be stopped nobody from left or right could sensibly argue against any of it for me any talk of a withdrawal from the EU leaves UKIP dead in the water all of his policies stem from this , if it ever happens you will see a flight of capital and jobs over to mainland Europe that will cripple this country So you are saying immigration needs dealing with Then say we shouldn't leave the EU We would have to leave to be able to sort immigration Oh and leaving the eu would not necassarilly see jobs go....scaremongering Big companies kind of lean that way to keep the status quo.....bluffing Can't you see the lies and faults with labour and conservatives?.......do you not have problems believing an ounce of their promises ? How could you vote for more of that?
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