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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:30:30 GMT
conservative,,doing a good job despite the mess they inherited,ive got about 9 years to go before i can think of retiring from my current job i seriously think that would be in jeopardy if god forbid labour get in,the thought of milliband leading the country sends shivers down my spine. So were you employed by that same good company whilst the Labour Party were in power and secondly did you negotiate your own salary to go with it ?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Apr 1, 2015 23:14:54 GMT
The tories don't want to leave Europe, non of the parties want to do that,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 23:15:20 GMT
I thought we were going to "Build Jerusalem" here not bloody invite them all over for free education and health care along with the whole of Eastern Europe and half of Asia. I thought the Labour Party was Founded By The People, Represented The People and Fought For The People, Not Sold Us Down The Suwannee and got into bed with Europe and the Rich Elite to gain power and position. I thought the Tories were a bunch of rich twats that wanted cheap labour for their factory sweat shops and to let people go to hell when their usefulness was gone. Bugger me I was right on one at least. I'm 54, I can never turn back the clock and learn from my idealistic mistakes of the past. NOW is the time to vote them all out. May I remind you the place to start is right here in Sunny Stoke-on-Trent, get rid of this useless Labour Council , it's crap education, shit roads, scandalous parking charges , pathetic speed cameras, ZERO policing etc. UKIP for me is the only chance to get rid of them. I'm not saying they will win this election or the next but a strong UKIP vote will make them who have better lives , shit their pants and think about the crap policies they try to peddle to us. Austerity for the poor, Caviar for the rich. Sorry cave door is wide open this week =) Me too, but to quote the Who "won't get fooled again". They are all political pigs with their snouts in the trough filled by the taxes levied on the ordinary folk. We all know about the corrupt tories and labour party, liberal democrats throw their lot in with who ever and forget about their policies for a their few minutes of phoney media fame. UKIP like turkeys voting for Christmas, they keep taking their wages and expenses from Europe, but campaign for us to leave. Bleak prognosis. But my solution is don't vote it only encourages the buggers.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 2, 2015 0:54:56 GMT
The very same 'fairies' that presided over a decade of continued growth .....then game the World Banking collapse . Then you decide .... Bail out the banks ...or let them go bust ? What what would you have done ? Kiss goodbye to your savings in the 'Sprogitt and Sylvester' off shore account , or dip into the coffers and save them ? I think we all know the answer to that one . So ....lets just see if the zero hours contract continue Eh ? The banking collapse would have been far easier in the UK if Brown had managed the finances properly in the good times rather than seen it as an opportunity to extract unsustainable growth.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 3:42:13 GMT
The very same 'fairies' that presided over a decade of continued growth .....then game the World Banking collapse . Then you decide .... Bail out the banks ...or let them go bust ? What what would you have done ? Kiss goodbye to your savings in the 'Sprogitt and Sylvester' off shore account , or dip into the coffers and save them ? I think we all know the answer to that one . So ....lets just see if the zero hours contract continue Eh ? So th growth was a labour achievement and the crash was a global phenomenon, ? Labours record on jobs during the growth decade was also less than impressive , unemployment rose steadily and was considerably higher when they left office than when they took over , youth unemployment rose 45% under labour , labour have never reduced unemployment during any term in office . There economic policies have always worked against the working class despite all of their good intentions . Growth and prosperity creat jobs not borrow, tax, and spend
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 3:56:44 GMT
Labour or Tory .what does that mean anymore and who really cares It's Osborne or Balls who can pay the bills ? Who can you trust ?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 2, 2015 5:43:41 GMT
The tories don't want to leave Europe, non of the parties want to do that, There is one. :)
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 2, 2015 6:28:58 GMT
The very same 'fairies' that presided over a decade of continued growth .....then game the World Banking collapse . Then you decide .... Bail out the banks ...or let them go bust ? What what would you have done ? Kiss goodbye to your savings in the 'Sprogitt and Sylvester' off shore account , or dip into the coffers and save them ? I think we all know the answer to that one . So ....lets just see if the zero hours contract continue Eh ? The banking collapse would have been far easier in the UK if Brown had managed the finances properly in the good times rather than seen it as an opportunity to extract unsustainable growth. Labour oversaw huge changes in the world during their tenure. Dot com revolution, Bosnia, 9/11, the World banking collapse. Big changes, big decisions. WTF Has Iggle Piggle been doing for the past 5yrs,..
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 2, 2015 6:46:26 GMT
The banking collapse would have been far easier in the UK if Brown had managed the finances properly in the good times rather than seen it as an opportunity to extract unsustainable growth. Labour oversaw huge changes in the world during their tenure. Dot com revolution, Bosnia, 9/11, the World banking collapse. Big changes, big decisions. WTF Has Iggle Piggle been doing for the past 5yrs,.. Are you trying to say Bosnia, 9/11, the world banking collapse and the dot com bubble were Labour achievements? I can see the election broadcasts now, vote Ed as last time Labour were in power we had endless wars and a banking crisis- but at least we can now all shop online. Let the good times roll.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:00:18 GMT
Genuinely torn. Couldn't stand Milliband running this country but would tear my balls off before voting for Cameron. I can't take UKIP seriously. OK then. Serious question. Is a 'protest vote' for UKIP in effect a vote for Labour, as SuperDave suggests?? Could possibly be so. For me there are two serious parties and we have a choice to make. Cameron or Milliband? Christ I'm depressed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:19:22 GMT
It's like choosing your favoured STD.
I feel better off now than I probably ever have done, despite being 'squeezed more' but I'm not convinced at all that it's in any way down to the Conservatives.
I earn a bit more & so does the Mrs....so I'm tempted to go with today's status quo, but it will kill me to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:20:13 GMT
conservative,,doing a good job despite the mess they inherited,ive got about 9 years to go before i can think of retiring from my current job i seriously think that would be in jeopardy if god forbid labour get in,the thought of milliband leading the country sends shivers down my spine. A £90 billion deficit in the final year of this Parliament represents a massive failure. it only took the tories 5yrs to do what labour did in 13yrs when they came to power they "promised" yes that word he likes to use "promised" to get rid of it by the end of his 5yr stint bit like his "promise" on getting immigration down to tens of thousands when it actually rose by hundreds of thousands or his "promise" of a cast iron guarantee on a referendum as soon as he's in power or kick him out our armed forces are now a laughing stock of the world families living from food banks are rising but hey his best buddies in big business and the media are telling us things are great yes, he's done a good job mate
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 2, 2015 7:25:48 GMT
The banking collapse would have been far easier in the UK if Brown had managed the finances properly in the good times rather than seen it as an opportunity to extract unsustainable growth. Labour oversaw huge changes in the world during their tenure. Dot com revolution, Bosnia, 9/11, the World banking collapse. Big changes, big decisions. WTF Has Iggle Piggle been doing for the past 5yrs,.. What on earth did Labour have to do with the dot com revolution??? Bosnia was a NATO exercise. Blair's lobbying to send ground troops to war shocked even the Americans. Thankfully they said no. 9/11 was nothing to do with us until Blair decided to commit us to a war noone wanted for the next 15 years, costing untold billions and hundreds of lives. The banking collapse was made far worse than it could have been by Brown. If all that is on offer again i think ill take doing nothing!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 2, 2015 7:34:39 GMT
The tories don't want to leave Europe, non of the parties want to do that, None of the leaders want to do that but an awful lot of rank and file in the parties do, particularly in the Tory party . The one positive of this election if the Tories win, will be to watch them tear themselves in to tiny pieces when a referendum does come about. Cameron will either have to a) convince people that Europe has reformed and campaign to stay in (I can hear France and Germany laughing now) or b) admit he failed to get reform, and become the little Englander campaigning for our exit. The blood letting in that horrible party will provide exquisite sport
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 2, 2015 7:53:26 GMT
This will be a good election to lose, the fact most Global economies including ours are in a worse position than in 2008 will become pretty obvious anytime soon, significant numbers of people have no idea of the problems we are about to face.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 2, 2015 7:54:11 GMT
Labour oversaw huge changes in the world during their tenure. Dot com revolution, Bosnia, 9/11, the World banking collapse. Big changes, big decisions. WTF Has Iggle Piggle been doing for the past 5yrs,.. What on earth did Labour have to do with the dot com revolution??? Bosnia was a NATO exercise. Blair's lobbying to send ground troops to war shocked even the Americans. Thankfully they said no. 9/11 was nothing to do with us until Blair decided to commit us to a war noone wanted for the next 15 years, costing untold billions and hundreds of lives. The banking collapse was made far worse than it could have been by Brown. If all that is on offer again i think ill take doing nothing! Well that's what you'll get, Nothing...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:59:02 GMT
The tories don't want to leave Europe, non of the parties want to do that, None of the leaders want to do that but an awful lot of rank and file in the parties do, particularly in the Tory party . The one positive of this election if the Tories win, will be to watch them tear themselves in to tiny pieces when a referendum does come about. Cameron will either have to a) convince people that Europe has reformed and campaign to stay in (I can hear France and Germany laughing now) or b) admit he failed to get reform, and become the little Englander campaigning for our exit. The blood letting in that horrible party will provide exquisite sport He will also give 16yr olds and eu immigrants a vote.....as there is no way any of the major parties are going to allow an out vote
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 2, 2015 8:13:11 GMT
None of the leaders want to do that but an awful lot of rank and file in the parties do, particularly in the Tory party . The one positive of this election if the Tories win, will be to watch them tear themselves in to tiny pieces when a referendum does come about. Cameron will either have to a) convince people that Europe has reformed and campaign to stay in (I can hear France and Germany laughing now) or b) admit he failed to get reform, and become the little Englander campaigning for our exit. The blood letting in that horrible party will provide exquisite sport He will also give 16yr olds and eu immigrants a vote.....as there is no way any of the major parties are going to allow an out vote That's the mess Cameron's in isn't it. Does he whip the whole party into an 'in' vote. That will never work in a million years. More defections to UKIP and a party in utter turmoil. Giving them a free vote will see him campaigning with about a third of his party. The Tories really are fucked on this one.
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Post by kinetic on Apr 2, 2015 8:17:56 GMT
All I know is there are 1400 reasons in Rotherham not to vote Labour. Vote Labour = I support child rape.
In hindsight hey Harriet. WTF is she on about the Mail printing pics of teenage girls ?? Off her head.
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Post by slother on Apr 2, 2015 8:21:30 GMT
Too be honest, they're all a waiste of time but this time I will be voting solely because I'm sick of; 1) Immigration- full stop! , my grandfather didn't fight in the war for this country to see this (see below) 2) sick of watching crime watch seeing that 80% of people on there are foreigners or immigrants 3) sick of my friend keeping telling me how she waistes 60% of her working week up the UHNS trying to arrange translators for immigrants and health tourists who have never contributed a penny for the excellent service they get. 4) sick of picking the news paper up daily reading about camps in France and watching videos on line of people trying to get here to take money that me and many other hard working British have worked hard for 5) sick of present and previous governments fleecing the working class and upping the retirement age solely to pay for 1) 6) sick of visiting those once lovely places such as towns in Lancashire and the big city feeling like I'm in some remote outpost in a foreign land I could go on and on and on .......... So let's give Nigel a chance UKIP Pretty sure your grandfather *did* fight in the war against the blaming of defenceless minority sections of society for the nation's ills. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 8:28:44 GMT
Labour oversaw huge changes in the world during their tenure. Dot com revolution, Bosnia, 9/11, the World banking collapse. Big changes, big decisions. WTF Has Iggle Piggle been doing for the past 5yrs,.. What on earth did Labour have to do with the dot com revolution??? Bosnia was a NATO exercise. Blair's lobbying to send ground troops to war shocked even the Americans. Thankfully they said no. 9/11 was nothing to do with us until Blair decided to commit us to a war noone wanted for the next 15 years, costing untold billions and hundreds of lives. The banking collapse was made far worse than it could have been by Brown. If all that is on offer again i think ill take doing nothing! Much as I hate to admit it Browns only achievement was to lead the way within G7 to stop the real possibity of a complete collapse in the banking system
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Post by kinetic on Apr 2, 2015 8:31:46 GMT
At least he's got his priority's right he's now at war with the Sport. He's gunning for the Beano next. Oh dear Ed Like reading a Sport article isn't bad enough does the thick fucker know there is no such language as Belgian A true Statesman in the making.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 8:34:51 GMT
The very same 'fairies' that presided over a decade of continued growth .....then game the World Banking collapse . Then you decide .... Bail out the banks ...or let them go bust ? What what would you have done ? Kiss goodbye to your savings in the 'Sprogitt and Sylvester' off shore account , or dip into the coffers and save them ? I think we all know the answer to that one . So ....lets just see if the zero hours contract continue Eh ? It emerged today that labour local authorities up and down the country have been happily using zero hours contracts for thousands of workers , sort that out milibland , I think they are appalling by the way and was never tempted to use them ever
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 2, 2015 8:39:28 GMT
2008 was the warning that the Global economy was a ponzi scheme in danger of collapse. The political elite in the US/UK/Europe instead of fixing the real problems have continued with the same ones and now Global debt is much worse.
They all decided the way to fix debt was to increase it, what a load of buffoons.
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 2, 2015 9:12:28 GMT
You want to grow fucking up I think you need to read zalem's post above this one to see what you've turned yourself into. Congratulations. So what was in Zalem's post that was racist then?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 2, 2015 9:20:47 GMT
Too be honest, they're all a waiste of time but this time I will be voting solely because I'm sick of; 1) Immigration- full stop! , my grandfather didn't fight in the war for this country to see this (see below) 2) sick of watching crime watch seeing that 80% of people on there are foreigners or immigrants 3) sick of my friend keeping telling me how she waistes 60% of her working week up the UHNS trying to arrange translators for immigrants and health tourists who have never contributed a penny for the excellent service they get. 4) sick of picking the news paper up daily reading about camps in France and watching videos on line of people trying to get here to take money that me and many other hard working British have worked hard for 5) sick of present and previous governments fleecing the working class and upping the retirement age solely to pay for 1) 6) sick of visiting those once lovely places such as towns in Lancashire and the big city feeling like I'm in some remote outpost in a foreign land I could go on and on and on .......... So let's give Nigel a chance UKIP Pretty sure your grandfather *did* fight in the war against the blaming of defenceless minority sections of society for the nation's ills. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards I think he has far more idea of what his grandfather fought for than you, me or anyone elese on here. I believe my grandfather fought to protect his country from foreign aggressors and to hopefully provide his children with a better future. I don't think he fought to liberate Europe, so that all of Europe had the right to become his next door neighbour.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 2, 2015 9:29:50 GMT
I think you need to read zalem's post above this one to see what you've turned yourself into. Congratulations. So what was in Zalem's post that was racist then? 1) Equating immigration with something that we fought wars against (when quite the opposite is true). Racist. 2) Completely made up figures aligned with racist stereotyping. Racist. 3) Completely made up bollocks on the hearsay of a 'friend'. What are the actual figures for health tourism. Perhaps if you fall in a foreign country a doctor should only treat you if you are fluent in the local language? . Racist. 4) Daily Mail racisim 5) 'Solely' my fucking arse. Racist. 6 If you don't think that's racist then you need your fucking head testing. Immigration in this country is completely in line with other prosperous European nations such as Germany, France and Italy and not one mention of the undoubted advantages of immigration. So, in short, racist bollocks spouted by a presumed racist who is supporting party that is chock full of racists.
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 2, 2015 9:48:37 GMT
So what was in Zalem's post that was racist then? 1) Equating immigration with something that we fought wars against (when quite the opposite is true). Racist. 2) Completely made up figures aligned with racist stereotyping. Racist. 3) Completely made up bollocks on the hearsay of a 'friend'. What are the actual figures for health tourism. Perhaps if you fall in a foreign country a doctor should only treat you if you are fluent in the local language? . Racist. 4) Daily Mail racisim 5) 'Solely' my fucking arse. Racist. 6 If you don't think that's racist then you need your fucking head testing. Immigration in this country is completely in line with other prosperous European nations such as Germany, France and Italy and not one mention of the undoubted advantages of immigration. So, in short, racist bollocks spouted by a presumed racist who is supporting party that is chock full of racists. So in short: (1) It's your attitude which has stopped any debate on these issues. Have left many many people feeling disenfranchised. Any talk on immigration is labelled "racist". There is nothing racist about being unhappy with the levels of immigration that we have and are experiencing over the last decade or so. Keep sticking your head in the sand. This country has seen a marked change in it's demographic. It's been too big and far too quick. It's not about race at all. (2) This is exactly the response that allowed Rotherham to happened. And Derby. And Oxford. And Bristol. And Telford. And Rochdale. People too scared to comment on the affects of some immigration due to the fear of being labelled a racist. I'm assuming you missed Sir Trevor Philips documentary the other night on Channel 4? He was happy to highlight these type of things.
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Post by kinetic on Apr 2, 2015 10:19:29 GMT
So what was in Zalem's post that was racist then? I think the general consensus is Britain went to war to fight fascism. 70yr later we got muslim mainly imigrants openly airing fascist views across the land. Immigrant prison population has doubled in ten years 15%. Clearly something's wrong I though we only had Imigrants that the Country needed Aye I find it best never listen to someone who does the job. What would they know. You don't get treated in a foreign country btw well ya don't in Spain you get patched up and thrown straight back at the NHS. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-favourable-benefits-magnet-violent-4525569No one knows where it goes. That includes you but if you think Abdul getting his Cousin over here to marry and make baby's, whilst she cannot even speak the language of the host country is somehow beneficial for the country well ?? Italy prosperous ? 2 bailouts from the EU. Speaking of the advantages of immigration isn't that what UKIP want to introduce a points based scheme like Aus. So we do get immigration that benefits the UK.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 2, 2015 10:33:18 GMT
So what was in Zalem's post that was racist then? 1) Equating immigration with something that we fought wars against (when quite the opposite is true). Racist. 2) Completely made up figures aligned with racist stereotyping. Racist. 3) Completely made up bollocks on the hearsay of a 'friend'. What are the actual figures for health tourism. Perhaps if you fall in a foreign country a doctor should only treat you if you are fluent in the local language? . Racist. 4) Daily Mail racisim 5) 'Solely' my fucking arse. Racist. 6 If you don't think that's racist then you need your fucking head testing. Immigration in this country is completely in line with other prosperous European nations such as Germany, France and Italy and not one mention of the undoubted advantages of immigration. So, in short, racist bollocks spouted by a presumed racist who is supporting party that is chock full of racists. Christ, no wonder the UK is going to shit if people think like you. Thats an insult to those who worked and gave their lives to eradicate real racism. Truly depressing.
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