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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 20:35:43 GMT
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Post by kinetic on Apr 1, 2015 12:40:13 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 1, 2015 13:02:24 GMT
This is the same 'lie' that Camerom engaged in, in 2010.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 1, 2015 19:37:48 GMT
This is the same 'lie' that Camerom engaged in, in 2010. Indeed it is, and if the Tories can't deliver on it anyone who thinks Ed Miliband can is clearly insane. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 1, 2015 20:00:10 GMT
This is the same 'lie' that Camerom engaged in, in 2010. Indeed it is, and if the Tories can't deliver on it anyone who thinks Ed Miliband can is clearly insane. . It's more about restricting what immigrants can get rather than actually stopping them isn't it, this new game they're playing? What I want to know is if we do pull out of Europe, will they act reciprocally and boot out the legions of right wing Daily Mail reading ex pats from their little English conclave dotted all around the Med? Hope so. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 1, 2015 21:11:37 GMT
Indeed it is, and if the Tories can't deliver on it anyone who thinks Ed Miliband can is clearly insane. . It's more about restricting what immigrants can get rather than actually stopping them isn't it, this new game they're playing? What I want to know is if we do pull out of Europe, will they act reciprocally and boot out the legions of right wing Daily Mail reading ex pats from their little English conclave dotted all around the Med? Hope so. Who knows? The one thing I do know is that uncontrolled immigration has been a complete disaster for 99% of the British public. It's lead to lower wages for many, poorer health provision for everyone who uses the NHS, higher house prices and rents and more congestion on our roads and railways. I'm struggling to think of a single positive. I don't blame the migrants who come here, I generally find them decent hard working people. I blame our lying politicians and think anyone who votes for any of the main parties is extremely gullible and must be extremely happy with how we are governed. |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 1, 2015 21:23:30 GMT
. It's more about restricting what immigrants can get rather than actually stopping them isn't it, this new game they're playing? What I want to know is if we do pull out of Europe, will they act reciprocally and boot out the legions of right wing Daily Mail reading ex pats from their little English conclave dotted all around the Med? Hope so. Who knows? The one thing I do know is that uncontrolled immigration has been a complete disaster for 99% of the British public. It's lead to lower wages for many, poorer health provision for everyone who uses the NHS, higher house prices and rents and more congestion on our roads and railways. I'm struggling to think of a single positive. I don't blame the migrants who come here, I generally find them decent hard working people. I blame our lying politicians and think anyone who votes for any of the main parties is extremely gullible and must be extremely happy with how we are governed. Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess.  |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 1, 2015 21:47:36 GMT
Who knows? The one thing I do know is that uncontrolled immigration has been a complete disaster for 99% of the British public. It's lead to lower wages for many, poorer health provision for everyone who uses the NHS, higher house prices and rents and more congestion on our roads and railways. I'm struggling to think of a single positive. I don't blame the migrants who come here, I generally find them decent hard working people. I blame our lying politicians and think anyone who votes for any of the main parties is extremely gullible and must be extremely happy with how we are governed. Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess. So what is controlled about our immigration policy (or rather non poilicy). You might think immigration of 500,000+ a year is a positive, I don't. If you don't think allowing millions of mainly unskilled workers to enter the UK has dragged down wages, made it harder to get in to see your GP, driven up housing costs, etc (before we get to the billions we pay out to the EU) every year. Then fair enough but I believe that you are wrong. Neither am I taken in by the lying politicians telling us that to leave the EU would lead to armageden. I remember them telling us similar when they wanted us to join the Euro and look how thats panned out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:01:54 GMT
Who knows? The one thing I do know is that uncontrolled immigration has been a complete disaster for 99% of the British public. It's lead to lower wages for many, poorer health provision for everyone who uses the NHS, higher house prices and rents and more congestion on our roads and railways. I'm struggling to think of a single positive. I don't blame the migrants who come here, I generally find them decent hard working people. I blame our lying politicians and think anyone who votes for any of the main parties is extremely gullible and must be extremely happy with how we are governed. Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess. You seemed alarmed ...even shocked by the word 'uncontrolled" . You obviously weren't aware of the estimated 250,000 immigrants that entered into the country unchecked . This was under Theresa May and in this period of government . So yes ...'uncontrolled' is bang on ... |
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Post by kinetic on Apr 1, 2015 22:09:56 GMT
Calm down the Border Agency have it all under control. Created on Aprils fools day that lot and I am sure that wasn't by accident.
M20 last Saturday a few Syrians getting used to their surroundings. Syria ISIS and we conna even keep them out. Its uncontrolled all right.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 2, 2015 5:44:37 GMT
Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess. You seemed alarmed ...even shocked by the word 'uncontrolled" . You obviously weren't aware of the estimated 250,000 immigrants that entered into the country unchecked . This was under Theresa May and in this period of government . So yes ...'uncontrolled' is bang on ... Not alarmed. Or even shocked. Cynically amused is more like it. You're playing the same game of lies, distortion and exageration that UKIP play with tedious effect on the subject of immigration. For example, to say the UK has uncontrolled immigration is a lie. An untruth. A falsehood. Of course immigration is controlled. You could argue about how effective it is - from both an operational perspective as well as a policy one. But to describe it as uncontrolled is wrong. It's the same pish as that dreadful alarmist scare mongering poster about 26 million people looking at your job. Just absurd. Lies and exageration. Like saying 99% of people think this or that. More exaggerated pish. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 2, 2015 6:06:01 GMT
You seemed alarmed ...even shocked by the word 'uncontrolled" . You obviously weren't aware of the estimated 250,000 immigrants that entered into the country unchecked . This was under Theresa May and in this period of government . So yes ...'uncontrolled' is bang on ... Not alarmed. Or even shocked. Cynically amused is more like it. You're playing the same game of lies, distortion and exageration that UKIP play with tedious effect on the subject of immigration. For example, to say the UK has uncontrolled immigration is a lie. An untruth. A falsehood. Of course immigration is controlled. You could argue about how effective it is - from both an operational perspective as well as a policy one. But to describe it as uncontrolled is wrong. It's the same pish as that dreadful alarmist scare mongering poster about 26 million people looking at your job. Just absurd. Lies and exageration. Like saying 99% of people think this or that. More exaggerated pish. Working by that logic, you could say an alcoholic is in control of their drinking, just badly in control. I'd say though that their drinking is out of control i.e uncontrolled, a bit like the UK's immmigration policy. Moving away from the use of the word uncontrolled, what is your view on the current levels of immigration and which party do you believe has the best policy on improving the controlling of immigration (if you believe it needs improving)? |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 2, 2015 8:04:54 GMT
Not alarmed. Or even shocked. Cynically amused is more like it. You're playing the same game of lies, distortion and exageration that UKIP play with tedious effect on the subject of immigration. For example, to say the UK has uncontrolled immigration is a lie. An untruth. A falsehood. Of course immigration is controlled. You could argue about how effective it is - from both an operational perspective as well as a policy one. But to describe it as uncontrolled is wrong. It's the same pish as that dreadful alarmist scare mongering poster about 26 million people looking at your job. Just absurd. Lies and exageration. Like saying 99% of people think this or that. More exaggerated pish. Working by that logic, you could say an alcoholic is in control of their drinking, just badly in control. I'd say though that their drinking is out of control i.e uncontrolled, a bit like the UK's immmigration policy. Moving away from the use of the word uncontrolled, what is your view on the current levels of immigration and which party do you believe has the best policy on improving the controlling of immigration (if you believe it needs improving)? All the parties have pretty much the same policies on immigration with a couple of exceptions; basically for non-EU immigrants; better enforcement, for EU citizens controls on benefit claimants. UKIP differ only in that they want to treat EU and non-EU the same. All parties are keen to bring in immigrants with skills the country needs. So, hard to chose whose policy is best. I'm in favour of being in the EU so UKIP is clearly out but of course there is work to be done to address issues within Europe on people movement. So not a simple answer to your question - other than to say it isn't UKIP. (Edit; I don't accept the analogy you gave. It's not credible. But it is typical of the sort of contorted tortuous thinking I see in much of UKIP. That poster being a particularly heinous example). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 8:31:59 GMT
You seemed alarmed ...even shocked by the word 'uncontrolled" . You obviously weren't aware of the estimated 250,000 immigrants that entered into the country unchecked . This was under Theresa May and in this period of government . So yes ...'uncontrolled' is bang on ... Not alarmed. Or even shocked. Cynically amused is more like it. You're playing the same game of lies, distortion and exageration that UKIP play with tedious effect on the subject of immigration. For example, to say the UK has uncontrolled immigration is a lie. An untruth. A falsehood. Of course immigration is controlled. You could argue about how effective it is - from both an operational perspective as well as a policy one. But to describe it as uncontrolled is wrong. It's the same pish as that dreadful alarmist scare mongering poster about 26 million people looking at your job. Just absurd. Lies and exageration. Like saying 99% of people think this or that. More exaggerated pish. I don't deal in lies ...the figures were the Governments own admission . Many put the figure far higher , which given the incompetence of the bitch is not surprising . If you think it's distorted or exaggerated , then you need to take the matter up with the party you support. No one could claim that it was controlled by any stroke of the imagination , unless of course you think walking in a straight line is 'controlled ' |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 2, 2015 8:49:10 GMT
Working by that logic, you could say an alcoholic is in control of their drinking, just badly in control. I'd say though that their drinking is out of control i.e uncontrolled, a bit like the UK's immmigration policy. Moving away from the use of the word uncontrolled, what is your view on the current levels of immigration and which party do you believe has the best policy on improving the controlling of immigration (if you believe it needs improving)? All the parties have pretty much the same policies on immigration with a couple of exceptions; basically for non-EU immigrants; better enforcement, for EU citizens controls on benefit claimants. UKIP differ only in that they want to treat EU and non-EU the same. All parties are keen to bring in immigrants with skills the country needs. So, hard to chose whose policy is best. I'm in favour of being in the EU so UKIP is clearly out but of course there is work to be done to address issues within Europe on people movement. So not a simple answer to your question - other than to say it isn't UKIP. (Edit; I don't accept the analogy you gave. It's not credible. But it is typical of the sort of contorted tortuous thinking I see in much of UKIP. That poster being a particularly heinous example). Why isn't it credible? It's entirely credible, anyone who thinks the UK's immigration policy is controlled is in a very small club indeed. You are quite right all of the main parties agree on immigration. They all practically agree on everything. Labour talk of saving the NHS, when their spending plans are tenths of a per cent different than the Tories. The Tories promised to eliminate the deficit in this parliament and they've basically done what Alistar Darling said Labour would do before the last election. Best not to mention the Liberals and tuition fees. Basically they are all liars and during this election will again tell the gullible what they want to be told. Anyone who believes them needs to wake up. Not sure what you mean with the heinous comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:08:27 GMT
Who knows? The one thing I do know is that uncontrolled immigration has been a complete disaster for 99% of the British public. It's lead to lower wages for many, poorer health provision for everyone who uses the NHS, higher house prices and rents and more congestion on our roads and railways. I'm struggling to think of a single positive. I don't blame the migrants who come here, I generally find them decent hard working people. I blame our lying politicians and think anyone who votes for any of the main parties is extremely gullible and must be extremely happy with how we are governed. Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess. Have a look at the immigration figures have a look at education places. Have a look at nhs ......then say ukip are exaggerating Cameron promised to get those figures down to the 10's of thousands.....they are in the 100's of thousands and rising Why are they all talking of redusing if it's all hunkydory? Ukip are spot on |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 9:10:36 GMT
Uncontrolled? 99%? You're following a fine tradition of exaggeration and partial truths. Not to say, of course UKIP are alone among political parties in this, just that they bang the same single drum over and over. Out of interest, how many of the 26 million came over? Somewhat less than 26 million I'd hazard a guess. Have a look at the immigration figures have a look at education places. Have a look at nhs ......then say ukip are exaggerating Cameron promised to get those figures down to the 10's of thousands.....they are in the 100's of thousands and rising Why are they all talking of redusing if it's all hunkydory? Ukip are spot on Reducing Cunt !! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:11:54 GMT
Have a look at the immigration figures have a look at education places. Have a look at nhs ......then say ukip are exaggerating Cameron promised to get those figures down to the 10's of thousands.....they are in the 100's of thousands and rising Why are they all talking of redusing if it's all hunkydory? Ukip are spot on Reducing Cunt !! I was in a rush  |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 2, 2015 9:17:13 GMT
I was in a rush Why aren't you a member of your local party , opportunities for a seat at Westminster must be tempting , UKIP seam to have a few ragamuffins in there ranks |
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Post by thevoid on Apr 2, 2015 10:50:06 GMT
Indeed it is, and if the Tories can't deliver on it anyone who thinks Ed Miliband can is clearly insane. . It's more about restricting what immigrants can get rather than actually stopping them isn't it, this new game they're playing? What I want to know is if we do pull out of Europe, will they act reciprocally and boot out the legions of right wing Daily Mail reading ex pats from their little English conclave dotted all around the Med? Hope so. How many of these ex-pats are claiming benefits from the Spanish government? |
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Post by kinetic on Apr 2, 2015 11:11:45 GMT
. It's more about restricting what immigrants can get rather than actually stopping them isn't it, this new game they're playing? What I want to know is if we do pull out of Europe, will they act reciprocally and boot out the legions of right wing Daily Mail reading ex pats from their little English conclave dotted all around the Med? Hope so. How many of these ex-pats are claiming benefits from the Spanish government? Depends if they have held a job whilst in Spain. Unlike the UK where you can just turn up and claim. You have to have contributed to the Spanish system. Not to worry if you haven't though say you are ill and you can still claim from the DWP even though ya don't live in the fucking country  |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 2, 2015 11:46:00 GMT
Not alarmed. Or even shocked. Cynically amused is more like it. You're playing the same game of lies, distortion and exageration that UKIP play with tedious effect on the subject of immigration. For example, to say the UK has uncontrolled immigration is a lie. An untruth. A falsehood. Of course immigration is controlled. You could argue about how effective it is - from both an operational perspective as well as a policy one. But to describe it as uncontrolled is wrong. It's the same pish as that dreadful alarmist scare mongering poster about 26 million people looking at your job. Just absurd. Lies and exageration. Like saying 99% of people think this or that. More exaggerated pish. I don't deal in lies ...the figures were the Governments own admission . Many put the figure far higher , which given the incompetence of the bitch is not surprising . If you think it's distorted or exaggerated , then you need to take the matter up with the party you support. No one could claim that it was controlled by any stroke of the imagination , unless of course you think walking in a straight line is 'controlled ' UKIP deals in absurd distortion and lies. BTW - how many Romanians and Bulgarians came to the UK. It wasn't the 26 million number UKIP used in that poster, or the 1.5 million predicted in this UKIP post. It was 32,000 - this is ONS data ( link). As to saying we have uncontrolled immigration - that is simply untrue. You may think it ineffective - but we do not have an open door policy. Lies, distortion and exageration. The hallmark of UKIP. |
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