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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 9:16:54 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 29, 2015 9:44:44 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. But SOT is the size of Plymouth.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 29, 2015 9:46:48 GMT
What a mistake Bil Bell made when he sacked John Rudge, that's football Chairman for you. It was the only good thing he ever did.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 29, 2015 9:49:25 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. Can Stoke-on-Trent afford to have a club that constantly needs to be bailed out by tax payers money ?.
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Post by watcher on Mar 29, 2015 9:50:22 GMT
The fact is that they hate us even more now than they ever did. Despite us not playing them for years I hope good old smurf runs them into oblivion.
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 29, 2015 9:53:58 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. Looks at the size of the cities with 2 clubs both in league football. Stoke is by far the smallest and a city that can not afford to keep two. Unfortunately for Vale, Stoke's increasing size as a club will only do the opposing to vale. Vale need a billionaire to buy it one that is not bothered about losing money, this ain't going to happen and I can only see vale going one way
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 29, 2015 10:05:56 GMT
George Andrews 'Theyre doing the Bogie boogie' fucking Piss off. George bastard Andrews.. "Nippy Naylor's nipped in and nailed 'em" Bastards. Here's another George Andrews classic. "Low and hard.......Oooh,just over the bar"
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 29, 2015 10:15:07 GMT
I got suspended from school the morning after that autoglass defeat. Proper naughty lad? Not really. Got into a fight with a mad keen fail fan who ironically I now see at stoke games regularly. Tosspot.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 29, 2015 10:20:12 GMT
Not really. Got into a fight with a mad keen fail fan who ironically I now see at stoke games regularly. Tosspot. Civil War...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 29, 2015 10:20:59 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. Port vale is nothing more than a drain on the city's finances and a stain on the map of Stoke on Trent. The bulk of their supporters hate Stoke City more than they love their own club and when the club were on its arse and needed a crowd to save them, less than 5000 turned up. The sooner they disappear into oblivion the better it will be for Stoke City.
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Post by LDE76 on Mar 29, 2015 11:05:29 GMT
George bastard Andrews.. "Nippy Naylor's nipped in and nailed 'em" Bastards. Here's another George Andrews classic. "Low and hard.......Oooh,just over the bar" Or, more appropriately: "The roof's fell in!"
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 11:34:59 GMT
Stoke on Trent is a real football area where interest from fans should be able to support two clubs. If for instance Leeds United were in the PL they would likely average gates of around 35,000 which would be under 5% of their population size. Currently with Vale struggling in League 1 and Stoke doing well in the PL the percentage of fans attending games in relation to population is over 13%. It is not simply population size that dictates attendances but also other sports that are in direct competition.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2015 11:37:38 GMT
Is Stoke-on-Trent a real footballing area?
I don't think it is.
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 29, 2015 11:39:20 GMT
Is Stoke-on-Trent a real footballing area? I don't think it is. I get what he is on about, Stoke is 100% football, we have no other sports to compete with unlike Bristol which has everything
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2015 11:43:04 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. But SOT is the size of Plymouth. Leeds has a population of 720,000 and one football club. Stoke on Trent is the smallest city in the country with 2 league clubs. There is no longer any rivalry just an unhealthy jealousy and hatred in some parts of Burslem. We don't even sing the 'shoot the vale scum' song any more. They are an irrelevance to us now but they are a drain on our potential support. That wasn't always the case. When I was a kid I knew loads of Fail fans who used to alternate Stoke and Vale matches. I suppose affordability is an issue now but there is also the seething hatred and resentment amongst a large section of the unwashed which means they would never support Stoke even if the Fail go bust. Clubs like Derby, Plymouth and Leeds don't have these leeches sucking the life out of part of our city and limiting the potential of our club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 29, 2015 11:48:36 GMT
Is Stoke-on-Trent a real footballing area? I don't think it is. I get what he is on about, Stoke is 100% football, we have no other sports to compete with unlike Bristol which has everything All true but I don't think the people are footballing people tbh. It's not like Derby or Leeds whereby if we went the majority stay loyal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:57:07 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. Port vale is nothing more than a drain on the city's finances and a stain on the map of Stoke on Trent. The bulk of their supporters hate Stoke City more than they love their own club and when the club were on its arse and needed a crowd to save them, less than 5000 turned up. The sooner they disappear into oblivion the better it will be for Stoke City. If that happened, and 500 or so of the 'less hardcore' decided that they wanted to watch/support Stoke in the PL, would we welcome them???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:58:24 GMT
out of business and bulldozed flat - would be the very best thing for S.O.T
talk about flogging a dead horse ' if Vale had any pedigree whatosever - they would have be put out of their misery years ago
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Post by mystokebadge on Mar 29, 2015 12:09:25 GMT
I don't think vale will go down this season,however I do not think this is the issue with the vale.Since we have been in the prem they have lost a generation of support there are kids walking around Longport,Middleport,Tunstall with stoke tops on,this will have a massive impact on their club in the coming years unless they can bring down the age of their ageing fanbase.Their gates are nothing like the break even point they need I think 5500 {although you have to blame smurf for that as other clubs in that division seem to do alright on smaller budgets} Port vale no longer own their ground smurf does with a private company and in theory he could sell the club and charge rent to any new owners.If they go into administration again by law there could be no council bail out.Their chairman has put in a extra £500,000 this season to what the club can afford that is roughly £10,000 per week or £1500 per day that will not continue.At the beginning of the season there was a article in the sentinel about vale and smurf he spent some time saying that he thought that STOKE CITY had gone as far as they could,well smurf the two things are connected you are right on that account,in terms of support,However you really should concentrate on improving the port vale experience on match days,now that's something you can influence.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 12:18:36 GMT
I think the bottom line here is that whether people support Hartlepool United, Dover, Crewe etc, other football fans should not be wishing for their demise in my opinion.
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Post by onionman on Mar 29, 2015 12:29:20 GMT
What about the time George Andrews was commentating on Stoke away at Portsmouth, supposedly as Radio Stoke's Stoke correspondent, but spent the whole game openly rooting for Portsmouth and screaming with excitement every time they approached Stoke's goal, before falling into a sulky silence when Carl Beeston scored a late winner.
That summed up the Port Vale approach to football for me. Existing purely to hope another team loses.
Didn't the pubs in Burslem make a big deal out of backing Man City in the cup final in 2011?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 12:31:39 GMT
I think I would normally agree Geoff except, Vale Are very definitely holding My own clubs development back
i.e. Stoke City because in SOT - Vale are a divisive drain on the entire areas footballing interest
a drain for the local people
a drain on the local council
and a drain on the local economy
and lets face reality - a hopeless embarressing even, waste of time of a football club
(unless of course we add Wigan Athletic in there too) (for oh so many reasons I need not specify)
Sooner they're non league the better also
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Post by onionman on Mar 29, 2015 12:34:41 GMT
Some of my very worst experiences watching my beloved Stoke were against that rabble from the north of the city. From turgid 0-0's to 12 seconds Tony Naylor winners to 97th minute Lee Mills equalisers to totally unexpected and undeserved losses to Robin bloody Van der Laan to freak crosses looping over Ronnie Sinclair's head to Dave Regis losing all his manly strength in an instant to totally unjustified accusations of thuggery by Leigh Palin against Neil Aspin, I've seen 'em all and hope never, ever to see another one. Luckily I doubt whether they'll ever be another league encounter anyway. Don't forget Peschisolido hitting the post only to see the ball trickle across the line, hit the other post and somehow stay out. That was the match when Foyle scored the jammy header. Foyle had earlier got Ian Cranson sent off by feigning injury long before Arsene Wenger made that tactic popular in the English game.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 29, 2015 12:41:24 GMT
Most of the great footballing Cities have two team rivalry, the more competitive that rivalry the better for the City, Stoke on Trent should be no different. Stoke has less than half the population of Sheffield, Liverpool, Birmingham, Bristol. It's fractionally less Nottingham too! Stoke's different because the pop. and wealth of the area is far less!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 29, 2015 12:43:20 GMT
Port vale is nothing more than a drain on the city's finances and a stain on the map of Stoke on Trent. The bulk of their supporters hate Stoke City more than they love their own club and when the club were on its arse and needed a crowd to save them, less than 5000 turned up. The sooner they disappear into oblivion the better it will be for Stoke City. If that happened, and 500 or so of the 'less hardcore' decided that they wanted to watch/support Stoke in the PL, would we welcome them??? It wouldn't make much difference now but in generations to come it would make a monumental difference to the levels of our support. The fail probably take away 20000+ supporters from our local supporter base.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 12:44:59 GMT
Not really. Got into a fight with a mad keen fail fan who ironically I now see at stoke games regularly. Tosspot. Yeah, funny that isn't it, 25 years ago when a student, I shared a house with a Vale fan who took great delight in defacing any Stoke material I put up. Roll forward two and a half decades and he's now got our crest on his FB page! Glory-hunting Vale fans turning to Stoke, whatever next! I hope the Vale go out of existence. Not living in Stoke I don't care about them one way or the other really and I suppose they'd come back as a supporter owned AFC Wimbledon type thing so we'd never be truly free of them. But I suspect if we did lose them and got a solid extra 5,000 fans following Stoke once the initial "I'll never support them" lot had died off, it'd make quite a difference to us as a club.
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Post by LDE76 on Mar 29, 2015 13:00:47 GMT
What about the time George Andrews was commentating on Stoke away at Portsmouth, supposedly as Radio Stoke's Stoke correspondent, but spent the whole game openly rooting for Portsmouth and screaming with excitement every time they approached Stoke's goal, before falling into a sulky silence when Carl Beeston scored a late winner. That summed up the Port Vale approach to football for me. Existing purely to hope another team loses. Didn't the pubs in Burslem make a big deal out of backing Man City in the cup final in 2011? I remember that very well. "Beeston shoots. Goal." "McLoughlin shoots...GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA...over the bar."
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 29, 2015 13:02:40 GMT
What about the time George Andrews was commentating on Stoke away at Portsmouth, supposedly as Radio Stoke's Stoke correspondent, but spent the whole game openly rooting for Portsmouth and screaming with excitement every time they approached Stoke's goal, before falling into a sulky silence when Carl Beeston scored a late winner. That summed up the Port Vale approach to football for me. Existing purely to hope another team loses. Didn't the pubs in Burslem make a big deal out of backing Man City in the cup final in 2011? The commentary for that game went something along the lines of...beeston, shot from just inside his own half, goal, 1-0 to Stoke. All said very quietly without a hint of excitement. Late on, Pompey attacked and the commentary style changed. Pompey on the attack, cross goes in, its a goal, GOAL POMPEY HAVE EQUALISED....OH NO, IT'S OVER THE BAR.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 29, 2015 13:27:27 GMT
Not really. Got into a fight with a mad keen fail fan who ironically I now see at stoke games regularly. Tosspot. I know a few of them myself mate.
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Post by onionman on Mar 29, 2015 13:32:46 GMT
What about the time George Andrews was commentating on Stoke away at Portsmouth, supposedly as Radio Stoke's Stoke correspondent, but spent the whole game openly rooting for Portsmouth and screaming with excitement every time they approached Stoke's goal, before falling into a sulky silence when Carl Beeston scored a late winner. That summed up the Port Vale approach to football for me. Existing purely to hope another team loses. Didn't the pubs in Burslem make a big deal out of backing Man City in the cup final in 2011? The commentary for that game went something along the lines of...beeston, shot from just inside his own half, goal, 1-0 to Stoke. All said very quietly without a hint of excitement. Late on, Pompey attacked and the commentary style changed. Pompey on the attack, cross goes in, its a goal, GOAL POMPEY HAVE EQUALISED....OH NO, IT'S OVER THE BAR. I think the description of the Beeston goal went no further than a flat, sorrowful "Goal" which was the exact apologetic way Andrews announced any goal Vale conceded.
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