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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 3, 2015 23:50:45 GMT
What don't Inter see in Shaqiri?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 3, 2015 23:53:38 GMT
It's like being mauled by hinge and bracket grow a pair I'm off for a break so hopefully when i get back you will have manned up a bit m Wind your neck in indeed See you in August Or you could bugger off and let the rest of us enjoy the most exciting times since the mid seventies. Your call sad one..................
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 4, 2015 0:02:53 GMT
All these reports stating he doesn't want to join are nonsense and just guesswork by the media based on rehashed quotes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:04:39 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving.
Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best.
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Post by usapotter on Jul 4, 2015 0:08:38 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. While it has been underwhelming we also have 2 months left and technically the window just opened on July 1st. June doesn't necessarily mean that the club will be working very hard to make signings. Since the window is now officially open I think we'll see a few deals. We don't have to sign a ton of players to have a successful window
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 4, 2015 0:11:50 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. I share your concern but it's early days and I doubt Hughes will let all that happen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:12:36 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. While it has been underwhelming we also have 2 months left and technically the window just opened on July 1st. June doesn't necessarily mean that the club will be working very hard to make signings. Since the window is now officially open I think we'll see a few deals. We don't have to sign a ton of players to have a successful window I know but this optimism about it I don't overly get because there's nothing tangible to back it up. I think we'll sign some players but nothing major. And agreed but the three we've signed I don't think are needed at all. I would have been happy with Moses, a right winger and a right back and that's it. We still need those three now.
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Post by spitshaw on Jul 4, 2015 0:12:59 GMT
What don't Inter see in Shaqiri? too small? Mancini feels emasculated by his massive leg muscles?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:13:19 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. I share your concern but it's early days and I doubt Hughes will let all that happen. Hughes doesn't worry me!
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Post by usapotter on Jul 4, 2015 0:17:28 GMT
While it has been underwhelming we also have 2 months left and technically the window just opened on July 1st. June doesn't necessarily mean that the club will be working very hard to make signings. Since the window is now officially open I think we'll see a few deals. We don't have to sign a ton of players to have a successful window I know but this optimism about it I don't overly get because there's nothing tangible to back it up. I think we'll sign some players but nothing major. And agreed but the three we've signed I don't think are needed at all. I would have been happy with Moses, a right winger and a right back and that's it. We still need those three now. The keeper, if/when Bego leaves we need back up. Wolly, back up for Muni who has lots of injuries and Shawcross. I think he's a better CB than Wilson but that's my opinion. Joselu, competition for Mame? Not 100% sure about this one. Haven't seen a video or anything about him so I'm not sure. Maybe a Crouch type replacement. (Potentially) Shaqiri a right winger who has an impressive left boot. Definitely need to strengthen our right side of the field. They are sensible to me and none of the broke the bank so we can look for signings like Shaqiri but at the same time they add depth to our squad
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:23:09 GMT
I know but this optimism about it I don't overly get because there's nothing tangible to back it up. I think we'll sign some players but nothing major. And agreed but the three we've signed I don't think are needed at all. I would have been happy with Moses, a right winger and a right back and that's it. We still need those three now. The keeper, if/when Bego leaves we need back up. Wolly, back up for Muni who has lots of injuries and Shawcross. I think he's a better CB than Wilson but that's my opinion. Joselu, competition for Mame? Not 100% sure about this one. Haven't seen a video or anything about him so I'm not sure. Maybe a Crouch type replacement. (Potentially) Shaqiri a right winger who has an impressive left boot. Definitely need to strengthen our right side of the field. They are sensible to me and none of the broke the bank so we can look for signings like Shaqiri but at the same time they add depth to our squad If the 'keeper is Butland's back up then I hope he's better than what his careers suggests. We still need to sign a 'keeper if/when Bego leaves. I prefer Wilson and Huth is miles better. We've just signed Crouch to a 2 year deal do we need another front line striker for that? I don't think we do especially when we need a right winger and our current are actually strikers and can supplement the strikers. He seems a decent player tbh but I can't see the logic behind having 3 strikers for 1 spot, all of whom will want to be starting and on decent money.
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Post by prettything on Jul 4, 2015 0:30:43 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. I actually like what the management team are doing. They understand that the team has had a fantastic last couple of seasons, know that some key players will leave for bigger teams, and are dealing with the issue, They have a replacement lined up for Nzonzi, and are going for the next level players, because that's what's needed . As a safety clause, at this stage of the window, they are actively recruiting players that can hopefully get into the first team, in the next few years. The second/third choice wingers and fullbacks can be hunted for, next month. All is well .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 0:31:20 GMT
The keeper, if/when Bego leaves we need back up. Wolly, back up for Muni who has lots of injuries and Shawcross. I think he's a better CB than Wilson but that's my opinion. Joselu, competition for Mame? Not 100% sure about this one. Haven't seen a video or anything about him so I'm not sure. Maybe a Crouch type replacement. (Potentially) Shaqiri a right winger who has an impressive left boot. Definitely need to strengthen our right side of the field. They are sensible to me and none of the broke the bank so we can look for signings like Shaqiri but at the same time they add depth to our squad If the 'keeper is Butland's back up then I hope he's better than what his careers suggests. We still need to sign a 'keeper if/when Bego leaves. I prefer Wilson and Huth is miles better. We've just signed Crouch to a 2 year deal do we need another front line striker for that? I don't think we do especially when we need a right winger and our current are actually strikers and can supplement the strikers. He seems a decent player tbh but I can't see the logic behind having 3 strikers for 1 spot, all of whom will want to be starting and on decent money. I get the feeling there will be a lot more rotation next season, give one man (i assume Diouf) the spot to lose, then when his form deteriorates put one of the others in and repeat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:35:12 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. I actually like what the management team are doing. They understand that the team has had a fantastic last couple of seasons, know that some key players will leave for bigger teams, and are dealing with the issue, They have a replacement lined up for Nzonzi, and are going for the next level players, because that's what's needed . As a safety clause, at this stage of the window, they are actively recruiting players that can hopefully get into the first team, in the next few years. The second/third choice wingers and fullbacks can be hunted for, next month. All is well . We have a replacement who I don't think will move until at least January and won't be at Fonzy's level for 2/3 years and that better clubs than us will want (sound familiar). We've signed a 'keeper who will probably never make it, a horrible defender and a striker I think will be alright actually. They key areas that needed addressing from last season haven't been addressed. We need a new starting right hand side sharpish, it's the one weak area in the team for me. Good back ups but no more.
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Jul 4, 2015 0:35:02 GMT
All these reports stating he doesn't want to join are nonsense and just guesswork by the media based on rehashed quotes. Since be your itk when can we expect a good development?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:37:20 GMT
If the 'keeper is Butland's back up then I hope he's better than what his careers suggests. We still need to sign a 'keeper if/when Bego leaves. I prefer Wilson and Huth is miles better. We've just signed Crouch to a 2 year deal do we need another front line striker for that? I don't think we do especially when we need a right winger and our current are actually strikers and can supplement the strikers. He seems a decent player tbh but I can't see the logic behind having 3 strikers for 1 spot, all of whom will want to be starting and on decent money. I get the feeling there will be a lot more rotation next season, give one man (i assume Diouf) the spot to lose, then when his form deteriorates put one of the others in and repeat. Why rotate though? Rotation especially at the back is what lost us so many points we should have won the season just gone. Diouf needs a good run of games up front, something he never got last season.
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Post by prettything on Jul 4, 2015 0:43:09 GMT
I actually like what the management team are doing. They understand that the team has had a fantastic last couple of seasons, know that some key players will leave for bigger teams, and are dealing with the issue, They have a replacement lined up for Nzonzi, and are going for the next level players, because that's what's needed . As a safety clause, at this stage of the window, they are actively recruiting players that can hopefully get into the first team, in the next few years. The second/third choice wingers and fullbacks can be hunted for, next month. All is well . We have a replacement who I don't think will move until at least January and won't be at Fonzy's level for 2/3 years and that better clubs than us will want (sound familiar). We've signed a 'keeper who will probably never make it, a horrible defender and a striker I think will be alright actually. They key areas that needed addressing from last season haven't been addressed. We need a new starting right hand side sharpish, it's the one weak area in the team for me. Good back ups but no more. Nzonzi and Bego haven't moved yet. Both are replaceable, it may take time, but that's reality for clubs like us. This will be the norm,if we have a better season than last. Buying into the youth, safeguards, and motivates the first team, to make this season better than the one before. PS. we currently have two premiership standard right backs, which is better than the year before and all the seasons before it. Can we improve? Of course!! But I can't fault the strategy in concentrating on the u21 and first choice inclusions, first. It's the beginning of July.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 0:47:53 GMT
We have a replacement who I don't think will move until at least January and won't be at Fonzy's level for 2/3 years and that better clubs than us will want (sound familiar). We've signed a 'keeper who will probably never make it, a horrible defender and a striker I think will be alright actually. They key areas that needed addressing from last season haven't been addressed. We need a new starting right hand side sharpish, it's the one weak area in the team for me. Good back ups but no more. Nzonzi and Bego haven't moved yet. Both are replaceable, it may take time, but that's reality for clubs like us. This will be the norm,if we have a better season than last. Buying into the youth, safeguards, and motivates the first team, to make this season better than the one before. PS. we currently have two premiership standard right backs, which is better than the year before and all the seasons before it. Can we improve? Of course!! But I can't fault the strategy in concentrating on the u21 and first choice inclusions, first. It's the beginning of July. I still have a feint hope with Fonz but for he's our best player (been saying it for 3 seasons now) I think he'll be very hard to replace, he's our one real calm player with the ball and is for me what allowed the transition to go so well. Bardsley for me has never been Premier League standard, Geoff was in his first year here just but since has become tiresome. I can't abide the pair of them. I can find lots of fault with the U21 strategy tbh but it's got little to do with the current regime but we are bringing a higher class of reject in to the U-21's which is good. It is and I'm not that worried but it could easily go tits up from here, far too easily. That worries me.
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Post by prettything on Jul 4, 2015 0:56:41 GMT
We may see a domino effect, if the Shaq signs. Key players will sign new contracts .
Don't worry about the lack first team signings, however . This recruitment team know what they're doing.
If Bego leaves, then there are a lot of keeper out there to replace. Cardiff keeper?
If Nzonzi leaves, big blow, but we will deal with it.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 4, 2015 1:00:15 GMT
So Bayern, since you seem to have a high opinion of the manager, how do you reconcile the fact that he apparently thinks that Wolly is just fine. Perhaps he knows him better than you do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 1:04:50 GMT
We may see a domino effect, if the Shaq signs. Key players will sign new contracts . Don't worry about the lack first team signings, however . This recruitment team know what they're doing. If Bego leaves, then there are a lot of keeper out there to replace. Cardiff keeper? If Nzonzi leaves, big blow, but we will deal with it. That's a massive if though. He's ok and will be decent back up I guess. How much would they want for him though? I'm not sure we will. I think it'll be Adam and Cameron......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 1:07:39 GMT
So Bayern, since you seem to have a high opinion of the manager, how do you reconcile the fact that he apparently thinks that Wolly is just fine. Perhaps he knows him better than you do. We all make mistakes. He showed enough in the games that he can't be trusted, heck even the manager bought Wilson on instead of him near the end which imo was a kick in his balls. I can only assume we had to sign him because he was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 1:09:46 GMT
I get the feeling there will be a lot more rotation next season, give one man (i assume Diouf) the spot to lose, then when his form deteriorates put one of the others in and repeat. Why rotate though? Rotation especially at the back is what lost us so many points we should have won the season just gone. Diouf needs a good run of games up front, something he never got last season. I agree I would hope it didn't happen at the back, but I can understand it further up the pitch, it did wonders for SJW and Bojan to have a spell on the bench, and even to an extent you could possibly include Arnie. Plus it's not quite as big a blow when you have more backup than just Crouch and Ireland.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 1:14:49 GMT
Why rotate though? Rotation especially at the back is what lost us so many points we should have won the season just gone. Diouf needs a good run of games up front, something he never got last season. I agree I would hope it didn't happen at the back, but I can understand it further up the pitch, it did wonders for SJW and Bojan to have a spell on the bench, and even to an extent you could possibly include Arnie. Plus it's not quite as big a blow when you have more backup than just Crouch and Ireland. Of course some players need dropping but not just for the sake of it. Bojan was dropped because he started horribly. Walters because he should be a player not guaranteed his place and is someone who performs better when he is well rested. We've got Wingie, Walters, Crouch, Diouf, Joselu, Bojan, Ireland, Arnie. So that's Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf With Wingie, Joselu, Crouch and Ireland to get on the bench as well as the right winger we need and hopefully Moses. They're going to be hard to please! Or we'll have to stick with that lot, which are good but it's a downgrade from last season without Moses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 1:21:36 GMT
I agree I would hope it didn't happen at the back, but I can understand it further up the pitch, it did wonders for SJW and Bojan to have a spell on the bench, and even to an extent you could possibly include Arnie. Plus it's not quite as big a blow when you have more backup than just Crouch and Ireland. Of course some players need dropping but not just for the sake of it. Bojan was dropped because he started horribly. Walters because he should be a player not guaranteed his place and is someone who performs better when he is well rested. We've got Wingie, Walters, Crouch, Diouf, Joselu, Bojan, Ireland, Arnie. So that's Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf With Wingie, Joselu, Crouch and Ireland to get on the bench as well as the right winger we need and hopefully Moses. They're going to be hard to please! Or we'll have to stick with that lot, which are good but it's a downgrade from last season without Moses. That's what I'm saying, if a player's form drops, we now have more backup to drop them. As opposed to keeping them in the XI because they're all we have. Perhaps 'rotation' wasn't the correct term, more better backup to those out of form. Which I think would've been more prevalent last season but the injuries prevented it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 1:24:28 GMT
Of course some players need dropping but not just for the sake of it. Bojan was dropped because he started horribly. Walters because he should be a player not guaranteed his place and is someone who performs better when he is well rested. We've got Wingie, Walters, Crouch, Diouf, Joselu, Bojan, Ireland, Arnie. So that's Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf With Wingie, Joselu, Crouch and Ireland to get on the bench as well as the right winger we need and hopefully Moses. They're going to be hard to please! Or we'll have to stick with that lot, which are good but it's a downgrade from last season without Moses. That's what I'm saying, if a player's form drops, we now have more backup to drop them. As opposed to keeping them in the XI because they're all we have. Perhaps 'rotation' wasn't the correct term, more better backup to those out of form. Which I think would've been more prevalent last season but the injuries prevented it. You've got to keep that back up happy and every single one of those players named will want to be starting. At least one, probably two won't be in the matchday squad for a good chunk of the time. We aren't Chelsea, we aren't in Europe, we have no real means of keeping them all happy barring a host of them being shit (God forbid) or another injury plague (God forbid). Of course you need back up but we're getting to the point where people want expensive back up for the back up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 1:32:13 GMT
That's what I'm saying, if a player's form drops, we now have more backup to drop them. As opposed to keeping them in the XI because they're all we have. Perhaps 'rotation' wasn't the correct term, more better backup to those out of form. Which I think would've been more prevalent last season but the injuries prevented it. You've got to keep that back up happy and every single one of those players named will want to be starting. At least one, probably two won't be in the matchday squad for a good chunk of the time. We aren't Chelsea, we aren't in Europe, we have no real means of keeping them all happy barring a host of them being shit (God forbid) or another injury plague (God forbid). Of course you need back up but we're getting to the point where people want expensive back up for the back up. True, I suppose it all depends how we start, if we get off to a flier theyll just have to wait their turn, hopefully MH is a decent enough man-manager to work something out. We saw it last year where Jones scored that hattrick in the cup after a few games out, and was given the chance in the 1st XI straight after. He didn't take it but the thought process was right IMO
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2015 1:34:28 GMT
You've got to keep that back up happy and every single one of those players named will want to be starting. At least one, probably two won't be in the matchday squad for a good chunk of the time. We aren't Chelsea, we aren't in Europe, we have no real means of keeping them all happy barring a host of them being shit (God forbid) or another injury plague (God forbid). Of course you need back up but we're getting to the point where people want expensive back up for the back up. True, I suppose it all depends how we start, if we get off to a flier theyll just have to wait their turn, hopefully MH is a decent enough man-manager to work something out. We saw it last year where Jones scored that hattrick in the cup after a few games out, and was given the chance in the 1st XI straight after. He didn't take it but the thought process was right IMO And again I have no issue with that. Sometimes though sticking with a settled XI is the best way forward, sometimes it isn't.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 4, 2015 2:17:29 GMT
We have a replacement who I don't think will move until at least January and won't be at Fonzy's level for 2/3 years and that better clubs than us will want (sound familiar). We've signed a 'keeper who will probably never make it, a horrible defender and a striker I think will be alright actually. They key areas that needed addressing from last season haven't been addressed. We need a new starting right hand side sharpish, it's the one weak area in the team for me. Good back ups but no more. Nzonzi and Bego haven't moved yet. Both are replaceable, it may take time, but that's reality for clubs like us. This will be the norm,if we have a better season than last. Buying into the youth, safeguards, and motivates the first team, to make this season better than the one before. PS. we currently have two premiership standard right backs, which is better than the year before and all the seasons before it. Can we improve? Of course!! But I can't fault the strategy in concentrating on the u21 and first choice inclusions, first. It's the beginning of July. Cameron isn't a right back at any standard, by his own admission he isn't one, we need better than a CB/midfield wanna be, Bardsley is good enough back up to a first teamer.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 4, 2015 2:35:11 GMT
We could easily have a window though where we don't improve the areas we need to (right back and right wing-we already have 4 players signed up for 2 positions), lose our best player and not replace him adequately. On top of our best goalie leaving. Signing someone like Shaqiri then almost becomes key to stem the tide because so far the window has been underwhelming at best. I share your concern but it's early days and I doubt Hughes will let all that happen. Still confident Hackett?
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