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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 18:01:12 GMT
So he's deliberately crashed the plane, with the intention of destroying it, according to Sky News. Shit a brick.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 26, 2015 18:14:10 GMT
I thought that if one of the pilots left the cabin, one of the stewards went in till they came back, I have noticed that happens on Ryanair. Some of the airlines do this, others don't. Unfortunately, in this day and age the airlines are trying so forcefully to reduce costs and increase revenue that a member of cabin crew sat in the flight deck waiting for one of the pilot's to use the toilet is one less person to do the service and therefore make money. As for the coded door, there IS a code. However, entering the correct code doesn't guarantee access. If the remaining pilot decides to select 'Lock' then the door will remain locked for a period of 5-20minutes (determined by the airline) before another attempt can be made. Sounds like you are absolutely correct. Cabin door has a lock on it (to prevent terrorism). the pilots know the code, but the man (woman) in the cabin can override the code (effectively seal the door completely shut), for 20 minutes, if the CCTV shows the person outside cabin is under duress. So if the co pilot fainted or summat while on his own then the pilot could easily unlock the toilet when he returns from the loo. A very good system designed to ensure plane safety against terrorism and also foreseeable situations (ie decompression, pilot has heart attack or whatever, when he is the only 1 in cockpit). Tragically, this system can't cope with the suicidal pilot. Sounds like a system where there always has to be 2 in the cockpit at all times (even if one is cabin crew, who can use radio and keep plane airborne), but then you'll end up with crazy pilot attacking the cabin crew and again you have 1 in the cabin. Seems like 3 in the cabin at all times should be the rule.
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Post by RWChris on Mar 26, 2015 18:22:19 GMT
Yeah basingstokie, most of that is spot on.
The pre-determined time that the flight deck door is locked for, if the person in the flight deck chooses to deny access, is chosen by the airline (anything from 5-20 minutes). At our airline, it's 5 minutes.
In case of no answer from the remaining pilot or if both pilots become incapacitated, if the cabin crew punched in the correct unlock code then the system waits for 30s and if no response unlocks the door.
The suicidal pilot issue is a very difficult one to tackle you're right. There are clearly much wider issues that are going to have to be addressed here...
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 26, 2015 18:33:08 GMT
Shit a brick indeed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2015 18:55:17 GMT
The aviation expert on the Beeb called this the other night, absolutely frightening.
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Post by 2004 on Mar 26, 2015 20:41:26 GMT
So he's deliberately crashed the plane, with the intention of destroying it, according to Sky News. Shit a brick.
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Post by scfctilidie on Mar 26, 2015 21:02:14 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.htmlVery detailed article surrounding the horrific event here. Also offers an explanation as to how the lock system worked on the plane in question. Terrible if it was a suicide mission when the opportunity arose (alone in the cockpit) and he decided to take 150 innocent people with him. It is being well documented that he has suffered mental health problems and was depressed but either way, to involve other people, never mind 150, is horrendous. Disturbing if he boarded the plane with the sole purpose of killing everyone on board. Apparently German police have found some significant evidence at his apartment that could offer an explanation into what happened. Absolutely tragic. Rest in peace to those poor souls who never stood a chance.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2015 22:59:25 GMT
And this whole thing is tragic but it does show a plane can hit the ground and disintegrate into nothing more than little bits which pisses on the bonfire of some 9/11 conspiracies.
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2015 6:15:07 GMT
Some of the airlines do this, others don't. Unfortunately, in this day and age the airlines are trying so forcefully to reduce costs and increase revenue that a member of cabin crew sat in the flight deck waiting for one of the pilot's to use the toilet is one less person to do the service and therefore make money. As for the coded door, there IS a code. However, entering the correct code doesn't guarantee access. If the remaining pilot decides to select 'Lock' then the door will remain locked for a period of 5-20minutes (determined by the airline) before another attempt can be made. Sounds like you are absolutely correct. Cabin door has a lock on it (to prevent terrorism). the pilots know the code, but the man (woman) in the cabin can override the code (effectively seal the door completely shut), for 20 minutes, if the CCTV shows the person outside cabin is under duress. So if the co pilot fainted or summat while on his own then the pilot could easily unlock the toilet when he returns from the loo. A very good system designed to ensure plane safety against terrorism and also foreseeable situations (ie decompression, pilot has heart attack or whatever, when he is the only 1 in cockpit). Tragically, this system can't cope with the suicidal pilot. Sounds like a system where there always has to be 2 in the cockpit at all times (even if one is cabin crew, who can use radio and keep plane airborne), but then you'll end up with crazy pilot attacking the cabin crew and again you have 1 in the cabin. Seems like 3 in the cabin at all times should be the rule. What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave
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Post by greenhoff74 on Mar 27, 2015 9:57:26 GMT
What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave What if the pilot hijacks the plane with the intention of flying it into a CAVE eek!
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 27, 2015 10:21:44 GMT
Sounds like you are absolutely correct. Cabin door has a lock on it (to prevent terrorism). the pilots know the code, but the man (woman) in the cabin can override the code (effectively seal the door completely shut), for 20 minutes, if the CCTV shows the person outside cabin is under duress. So if the co pilot fainted or summat while on his own then the pilot could easily unlock the toilet when he returns from the loo. A very good system designed to ensure plane safety against terrorism and also foreseeable situations (ie decompression, pilot has heart attack or whatever, when he is the only 1 in cockpit). Tragically, this system can't cope with the suicidal pilot. Sounds like a system where there always has to be 2 in the cockpit at all times (even if one is cabin crew, who can use radio and keep plane airborne), but then you'll end up with crazy pilot attacking the cabin crew and again you have 1 in the cabin. Seems like 3 in the cabin at all times should be the rule. What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave You were lucky to av a cave
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 10:27:01 GMT
Sounds like you are absolutely correct. Cabin door has a lock on it (to prevent terrorism). the pilots know the code, but the man (woman) in the cabin can override the code (effectively seal the door completely shut), for 20 minutes, if the CCTV shows the person outside cabin is under duress. So if the co pilot fainted or summat while on his own then the pilot could easily unlock the toilet when he returns from the loo. A very good system designed to ensure plane safety against terrorism and also foreseeable situations (ie decompression, pilot has heart attack or whatever, when he is the only 1 in cockpit). Tragically, this system can't cope with the suicidal pilot. Sounds like a system where there always has to be 2 in the cockpit at all times (even if one is cabin crew, who can use radio and keep plane airborne), but then you'll end up with crazy pilot attacking the cabin crew and again you have 1 in the cabin. Seems like 3 in the cabin at all times should be the rule. What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave I'm pretty sure even Mrs Salop couldn't take three in her cockpit
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Post by salopstick on Mar 27, 2015 11:00:12 GMT
What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave I'm pretty sure even Mrs Salop couldn't take three in her cockpit Mrs orbs however.
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2015 13:00:25 GMT
What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave What if the pilot hijacks the plane with the intention of flying it into a CAVE eek! oh bugger hadn't thought of that
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2015 13:01:53 GMT
What happens if the co pilot and an air crew member are in collusion and hijack the plane, we'd need 3 in the cockpit all the time, fook it, I'm going to live in a cave You were lucky to av a cave My Mrs. is developing a questionaire for the crew for our flight to Barca, 'plane delayed whilst crazy passenger analyses crews state of mind'
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 27, 2015 13:12:13 GMT
You were lucky to av a cave My Mrs. is developing a questionaire for the crew for our flight to Barca, 'plane delayed whilst crazy passenger analyses crews state of mind' 1/2 a dozen vodka tonics usually does the trick
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Mar 28, 2015 0:52:09 GMT
And this whole thing is tragic but it does show a plane can hit the ground and disintegrate into nothing more than little bits which pisses on the bonfire of some 9/11 conspiracies. Any comment regarding this 9.11 conspiracy ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2015 1:42:07 GMT
There's nothing there, I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 9:00:17 GMT
Like I said earlier in the thread.... You're putting your life in the hands of some fucker that you have never even seen before,and that's all part of why I hate flying.
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