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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 11:04:35 GMT
Breaking news just coming through on Reuters a German plane en route to spain has crashed in the Alps. 140 on board. Always very sad news,
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2015 11:07:53 GMT
Sad news.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 24, 2015 11:42:46 GMT
I still shite mesen every time I fly, is it any wonder why, you just never know. RIP to those who died.
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Post by craig67 on Mar 24, 2015 11:45:47 GMT
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Mar 24, 2015 15:39:31 GMT
R.I.P.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 24, 2015 15:46:53 GMT
Poor folks , hope it was quick
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Post by Northy on Mar 24, 2015 17:25:38 GMT
RIP to all of them, school children on board as well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 22:08:34 GMT
I still shite mesen every time I fly, is it any wonder why, you just never know. RIP to those who died. Me too,I hate flying with a passion and crashing is always on my mind when I'm on a plane. RIP to all those who have lost their lives today.
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Post by prudhoe on Mar 25, 2015 19:46:33 GMT
I still shite mesen every time I fly, is it any wonder why, you just never know. RIP to those who died. Me too,I hate flying with a passion and crashing is always on my mind when I'm on a plane. RIP to all those who have lost their lives today. Is crashing always on your mind when your in a car? Your alot more likely to be killed on a car crash. Flying is the safest form of transport.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:20:05 GMT
Me too,I hate flying with a passion and crashing is always on my mind when I'm on a plane. RIP to all those who have lost their lives today. Is crashing always on your mind when your in a car? Your alot more likely to be killed on a car crash. Flying is the safest form of transport. I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:40:53 GMT
Is crashing always on your mind when your in a car? Your alot more likely to be killed on a car crash. Flying is the safest form of transport. I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. It's strange, but i love the flying part of a holiday and being so high up looking at the sky/ground, i love a window seat too. the take off is the iffy part for me, but i still like looking out of the window all the same. I'm nearly giving my age away here, but i remember flying every year to Alicante in Spain with my parents from 6 up until 17 years, and my Dad could smoke in the cabin & i could go and see the pilots & sit on their knee whilst watching what they did, I even had control of the wheel at one point & the plane dipped slightly, so mum & dad told me..those were great flying days with ORION Air i seem to remember. TEST
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Post by prudhoe on Mar 25, 2015 21:36:25 GMT
Is crashing always on your mind when your in a car? Your alot more likely to be killed on a car crash. Flying is the safest form of transport. I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. That fucker flying the plane is alot more competant than you are in control of your own car. Pilots undergo a hell of alot of training. They are tested on emergency situations in a simulator twice a year. Fail and they lose their license. You can pass a driving test at 17 and no one ever checks if your competant to drive again! The Air Traffic Controllers undergo regular training, as do the engineers maintaining the aircraft. When you are in the sky your life is in the hands of the most highly trained, highly skilled professionals there is. There is zero chance of some piss head drink driver crashing into you up there isn't there! And as for surviving plane crashes, here is a statistic that will suprise you. Between 1983 and 2000 statistic show that of all the people involved in a plane crash 95.7% survived. 95.7%!!! It really is a myth that if your in a plane crash its going be game over. Of course there will always be unsurvivable accidents like this one. But they are extremely rare and make up a small percentage of all plane crashes. Im an aviation enthusiast, to me flying IS the most natural thing in the world. Its my passion and my life. I couldn't even contemplate life without flying. I fly regularly. I fly on day trips to Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, etc. for no other reason than just for the flight. Anywhere just to get my fix of flying. I would fly every day if i could. I really can't understand it when i see grown men looking terrified on a plane. Its such an irational phobia. Death can get you anywhere. You are far from in anymore danger of it when your on a plane. I feel much more uneasy in a car driving down the M6. Is there ever a day that goes by where no one dies on there? Doesn't seem to be many.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 25, 2015 21:58:46 GMT
I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. That fucker flying the plane is alot more competant than you are in control of your own car. Pilots undergo a hell of alot of training. They are tested on emergency situations in a simulator twice a year. Fail and they lose their license. You can pass a driving test at 17 and no one ever checks if your competant to drive again! The Air Traffic Controllers undergo regular training, as do the engineers maintaining the aircraft. When you are in the sky your life is in the hands of the most highly trained, highly skilled professionals there is. There is zero chance of some piss head drink driver crashing into you up there isn't there! And as for surviving plane crashes, here is a statistic that will suprise you. Between 1983 and 2000 statistic show that of all the people involved in a plane crash 95.7% survived. 95.7%!!! It really is a myth that if your in a plane crash its going be game over. Of course there will always be unsurvivable accidents like this one. But they are extremely rare and make up a small percentage of all plane crashes. Im an aviation enthusiast, to me flying IS the most natural thing in the world. Its my passion and my life. I couldn't even contemplate life without flying. I fly regularly. I fly on day trips to Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, etc. for no other reason than just for the flight. Anywhere just to get my fix of flying. I would fly every day if i could. I really can't understand it when i see grown men looking terrified on a plane. Its such an irational phobia. Death can get you anywhere. You are far from in anymore danger of it when your on a plane. I feel much more uneasy in a car driving down the M6. Is there ever a day that goes by where no one dies on there? Doesn't seem to be many. You're a flying train spotter?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 25, 2015 22:04:28 GMT
Is crashing always on your mind when your in a car? Your alot more likely to be killed on a car crash. Flying is the safest form of transport. I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. Good luck Sid ,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 22:18:54 GMT
I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. That fucker flying the plane is alot more competant than you are in control of your own car. Pilots undergo a hell of alot of training. They are tested on emergency situations in a simulator twice a year. Fail and they lose their license. You can pass a driving test at 17 and no one ever checks if your competant to drive again! The Air Traffic Controllers undergo regular training, as do the engineers maintaining the aircraft. When you are in the sky your life is in the hands of the most highly trained, highly skilled professionals there is. There is zero chance of some piss head drink driver crashing into you up there isn't there! And as for surviving plane crashes, here is a statistic that will suprise you. Between 1983 and 2000 statistic show that of all the people involved in a plane crash 95.7% survived. 95.7%!!! It really is a myth that if your in a plane crash its going be game over. Of course there will always be unsurvivable accidents like this one. But they are extremely rare and make up a small percentage of all plane crashes. Im an aviation enthusiast, to me flying IS the most natural thing in the world. Its my passion and my life. I couldn't even contemplate life without flying. I fly regularly. I fly on day trips to Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, etc. for no other reason than just for the flight. Anywhere just to get my fix of flying. I would fly every day if i could. I really can't understand it when i see grown men looking terrified on a plane. Its such an irational phobia. Death can get you anywhere. You are far from in anymore danger of it when your on a plane. I feel much more uneasy in a car driving down the M6. Is there ever a day that goes by where no one dies on there? Doesn't seem to be many. Flying isn't natural to us,if it was then we would have wings and feathers. My fear of flying isn't irrational I can explain it completely,although my fear of Cucumber is totally irrational
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 22:20:07 GMT
I hate it when people trot that line out. Flying may be statistically the safest for of transport but the fact that I am sitting in a giant metal tube 33,000 feet in the air just freaks me out,and the fact that I'm trusting some fucker who I've never even seen before to fly me somewhere just doesn't feel natural to me at all. We weren't made to fly and we inevitably die when we crash whilst sitting in an aeroplane. I have crashed a car before and survived whereas I very much doubt I'd survive in a plane that plummets to the earth from that high up. I'm flying in two weeks time and this is when the fear starts setting in all over again. Good luck Sid , I see another one has had to have an emergency landing today in Russia because one of its engines failed
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 25, 2015 22:23:27 GMT
Good luck Sid , I see another one has had to have an emergency landing today in Russia because one of its engines failed It is irrational, I don't mind flying at all but I brick it if I'm on a tall building or bridge
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Post by greenhoff74 on Mar 26, 2015 8:02:04 GMT
Anonymous source in New York Times quoted as evidence from Black box suggests that one of the pilots is locked out of cockpit and unable to get in, at first there are light knocks on door then banging followed by attempts to kick the door in, there no answer from inside the cockpit, there is never an answer from inside.
Terrorism or pilot unable to respond?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 26, 2015 8:09:32 GMT
Anonymous source in New York Times quoted as evidence from Black box suggests that one of the pilots is locked out of cockpit and unable to get in, at first there are light knocks on door then banging followed by attempts to kick the door in, there no answer from inside the cockpit, there is never an answer from inside. Terrorism or pilot unable to respond? Seeing that airliners usually use autopilot, this is sounding increasingly sinister.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Mar 26, 2015 9:05:46 GMT
Anonymous source in New York Times quoted as evidence from Black box suggests that one of the pilots is locked out of cockpit and unable to get in, at first there are light knocks on door then banging followed by attempts to kick the door in, there no answer from inside the cockpit, there is never an answer from inside. Terrorism or pilot unable to respond? Seeing that airliners usually use autopilot, this is sounding increasingly sinister. Or the pilot tending the controls is incapacitated some how, the planes are made now with secure cockpits after 9/11.
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Post by scfctilidie on Mar 26, 2015 12:11:42 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 26, 2015 12:45:02 GMT
all seems a bit strange at the moment, hopefully a sound reason can come out of it and better processes to stop it happeneing again. The pilot should have been able to get back into the cockpit via a coded lock or something.
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 26, 2015 12:49:59 GMT
Seeing that airliners usually use autopilot, this is sounding increasingly sinister. Or the pilot tending the controls is incapacitated some how, the planes are made now with secure cockpits after 9/11. Airbus sticks are forward and to the side. It would take incredible luck to fall directly forward on it. You then have the overspeed protection which would have pitched the aircraft up unless disabled.
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Post by lordb on Mar 26, 2015 13:08:07 GMT
All pointing to suicide by pilot
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 26, 2015 13:13:43 GMT
all seems a bit strange at the moment, hopefully a sound reason can come out of it and better processes to stop it happeneing again. The pilot should have been able to get back into the cockpit via a coded lock or something. They have a coded lock for exactly that purpose. The pilot can override it though and keep someone locked out.
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Post by RWChris on Mar 26, 2015 13:15:18 GMT
The pilot who had nipped out of the flight deck to use the loo would've pressed a button to gain access back in to the flight deck. The remaining pilot then looks at the CCTV to see who is at the door and presses a switch to unlock the door.
Unfortunately the first officer decided to not let the captain back in.
And there's no way you could initiate the descent by falling on the controls. With the autopilot in the switch needed to start the descent is an arms length away in the 10 o'clock position...certainly not something you could fall forward and knock.
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Post by ST1 Stokie on Mar 26, 2015 14:41:10 GMT
Jesus those poor people what last moments they had. how can this sort of thing be stopped? Coded doors? so that if one of the pilots leaves it can be opened using a code.Maybe the door opening outward as opposed to inward. This could happen anywhere at anytime
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 26, 2015 15:24:10 GMT
I thought that if one of the pilots left the cabin, one of the stewards went in till they came back, I have noticed that happens on Ryanair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 15:48:17 GMT
I thought that if one of the pilots left the cabin, one of the stewards went in till they came back, I have noticed that happens on Ryanair. You'd think that was on Page 1 of the procedures manual??
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Post by RWChris on Mar 26, 2015 16:04:25 GMT
I thought that if one of the pilots left the cabin, one of the stewards went in till they came back, I have noticed that happens on Ryanair. Some of the airlines do this, others don't. Unfortunately, in this day and age the airlines are trying so forcefully to reduce costs and increase revenue that a member of cabin crew sat in the flight deck waiting for one of the pilot's to use the toilet is one less person to do the service and therefore make money. As for the coded door, there IS a code. However, entering the correct code doesn't guarantee access. If the remaining pilot decides to select 'Lock' then the door will remain locked for a period of 5-20minutes (determined by the airline) before another attempt can be made.
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