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Post by kinetic on Mar 24, 2015 14:56:10 GMT
The sentence does not fit the crime either debatable if it even was a crime. All he did was lie on his brother in laws mortgage application stating he earned more PA than he actually did. I dare to say a few posters on here will have done it especially before 2008 when brokers were giving out 100% mortgages no deposit needed. Like say no body lost any money its a nothing crime. yet you got this fella a million pound stolen from mortgage company's. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101009/Conman-dubbed-Del-Boy-ran-1m-mortgage-scam-council-lock-garage.htmlSame sentence 18mth only his was suspend so no jail. Tommy spent his 18mth in jail on solitary confinement !!against the law that is btw. Supposedly. 1) That isn't all he did at all (you can't just make shit up kinetic). He made loans to people wanting to buy property and then gave them the details of a phoney mortgage broker who helped to secure fake payslips and pay details. he was attempting to obtain 2 mortgages worth over £160k.... a bit different to just adding an extra "0" to your income information! 2) the reason his sentence wasn't suspended is they don't tend to suspend sentences for people who've already been to prison on several occasions already 3) the reason he was in solitary is because HE feared for his life in prison and his own barrister recommended it. he'd made enemies within the EDL (which by then he'd left) and because he was on the wanted list by Al-Shabab. at least try to tell some of the truth kinetic instead of just intentionally omitting important facts just to suit your own argument! Jesus hates Christ! Like wise if your going copy and paste from the BBC site at least copy it all ?? Oh and where does it say his barrister asked for Tommy to go into solitary confinement. Someone needs read a bit slower. Sounds to me more like his barrister was trying get him a suspended sentence with regards jail not being safe for him. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838The last paragraph about fake wage slips ?? Again why the bail conditions of no contact with the edl. Don't add up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 15:16:17 GMT
1) That isn't all he did at all (you can't just make shit up kinetic). He made loans to people wanting to buy property and then gave them the details of a phoney mortgage broker who helped to secure fake payslips and pay details. he was attempting to obtain 2 mortgages worth over £160k.... a bit different to just adding an extra "0" to your income information! 2) the reason his sentence wasn't suspended is they don't tend to suspend sentences for people who've already been to prison on several occasions already 3) the reason he was in solitary is because HE feared for his life in prison and his own barrister recommended it. he'd made enemies within the EDL (which by then he'd left) and because he was on the wanted list by Al-Shabab. at least try to tell some of the truth kinetic instead of just intentionally omitting important facts just to suit your own argument! Jesus hates Christ! Like wise if your going copy and paste from the BBC site at least copy it all ?? Oh and where does it say his barrister asked for Tommy to go into solitary confinement. Someone needs read a bit slower. Sounds to me more like his barrister was trying get him a suspended sentence with regards jail not being safe for him. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838The last paragraph about fake wage slips ?? Again why the bail conditions of no contact with the edl. Don't add up. i didn't look at any BBC sites mate...it's a matter of public record so court facts are easy to find. no need for media sites whatsoever
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 15:27:14 GMT
Like wise if your going copy and paste from the BBC site at least copy it all ?? Oh and where does it say his barrister asked for Tommy to go into solitary confinement. Someone needs read a bit slower. Sounds to me more like his barrister was trying get him a suspended sentence with regards jail not being safe for him. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838The last paragraph about fake wage slips ?? Again why the bail conditions of no contact with the edl. Don't add up. i didn't look at any BBC sites mate...it's a matter of public record so court facts are easy to find. no need for media sites whatsoever did you not see followyoudown's post then? as he mentioned, anyone with affiliations to a group that have been involved in criminal activity (which the EDL have been) has it attached as part of their bail conditions that they have no contact with that group. inventing facts whilst ignoring others..bravo Kinetic!
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Post by kinetic on Mar 24, 2015 16:37:42 GMT
The sentence does not fit the crime either debatable if it even was a crime. All he did was lie on his brother in laws mortgage application stating he earned more PA than he actually did. I dare to say a few posters on here will have done it especially before 2008 when brokers were giving out 100% mortgages no deposit needed. Like say no body lost any money its a nothing crime. yet you got this fella a million pound stolen from mortgage company's. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101009/Conman-dubbed-Del-Boy-ran-1m-mortgage-scam-council-lock-garage.htmlSame sentence 18mth only his was suspend so no jail. Tommy spent his 18mth in jail on solitary confinement !!against the law that is btw. Supposedly. For someone so interested in the EDL you seem remarkably ill-informed. 1. Banned from contacting any member of the EDL while on bail, not unusual for someone who is associated with some sort of "gang" in most cases it's to prevent witnesses being intimidated. 2. No he didn't just lie on forms he put them in contact with someone who produced false pay slips and other documents, so no debate its fraud. 3. He spent his time in solitary confinement for his own protection being an ex-leader of the EDL probably doesn't go down very well with those prisoners he "campaigned" against. To be honest fella I didn't realise you had to be a lawyer to agree with someone's opinions. My mistake shall get signed up to the bar right now. Answered it yaself there who was going get intimidated for the crime. Was the EDL planning a march on Canary Warf. So what doesn't make it any less illegal does it. Nobody was debating if it was fraud or not just how does 18mth stack up against other mortgage frauds where millions have been stolen ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 16:59:55 GMT
For someone so interested in the EDL you seem remarkably ill-informed. 1. Banned from contacting any member of the EDL while on bail, not unusual for someone who is associated with some sort of "gang" in most cases it's to prevent witnesses being intimidated. 2. No he didn't just lie on forms he put them in contact with someone who produced false pay slips and other documents, so no debate its fraud. 3. He spent his time in solitary confinement for his own protection being an ex-leader of the EDL probably doesn't go down very well with those prisoners he "campaigned" against. To be honest fella I didn't realise you had to be a lawyer to agree with someone's opinions. My mistake shall get signed up to the bar right now. Answered it yaself there who was going get intimidated for the crime. Was the EDL planning a march on Canary Warf. So what doesn't make it any less illegal does it. Nobody was debating if it was fraud or not just how does 18mth stack up against other mortgage frauds where millions have been stolen ? 1) no-one said you have to be lawyer to agree with their political stance did they? nope thought not...but you keep constructing strawman arguments to deflect though eh? they simply pointed out your factual inaccuracies (it was YOU that brought up the fact he'd been imprisoned and tried to infer that it had something to do with his beliefs and ideaology) 2) it's NOT illegal to place them in solitary if it for fear of their safety 3) as has been mentioned.....he got 18 months custodial (whilst others get suspended sentences) BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUSPEND SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PRISON ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!!!!so first you make things up, then you conveniently ignore facts, then you create strawman arguments to deflect attention for your massive inaccuracies and mistakes....it's people like you that are dangerous in society mate; all these passionately held beliefs but without the cognitive functioning to construct any kind of half decent argument or just hold your hands up and say "Yeah you're right, his numerous times in prison for fraud, drug offences and violence actually had nothing to do with his politics so i shouldn't have mentioned it but let's move on with the thread and what the OP revolves around then" when you've been found out. his prison time WASN'T anything to do with his political beliefs, he even plead guilty to all the offences he's been jailed for in the past...he got a custodial sentence for trying to defraud people to the tune of over £160k not for simply telling a fib about his annual earnings..... he wasn't given a suspended sentence because he had numerous convictions beforehand (standard practice and most certainly not treatment that is exclusive to him) and it's NOT illegal to put someone in solitary for their own safety. personally i'm not arsed about him or his beliefs and if you agree with his beliefs then fair play to you..no issue with that but trying to make out like he's some kind of martyr for the cause is pathetic!!! defrauding people of 100s of thousands of pounds, using other people's identities to illegally enter countries, possessing drugs with the intent to supply, GBH and headbutting another member of the EDL...what a role model!!! i could see your point if he's been imprisoned for or persecuted for nothing but peaceful protest (which thousands of people out there have been in the past) and holding an opinion but that isn't the case. he was imprisoned for being a thug and a conman...none of that negates his views or opinions in my opinion and it certainly shouldn't do..they have nothing to do with his politics so i'll judge the 2 separately and not show any prejudice of his beliefs simply because of his criminal activities but let's not try to tie the 2 together eh??? if nothing else it's massively insulting and does a huge disservice to those out there who ARE real political prisoners and have spent their lives trying to fight against injustice. he isn't even in the same league! can we move on now please?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2015 17:49:41 GMT
To be honest fella I didn't realise you had to be a lawyer to agree with someone's opinions. My mistake shall get signed up to the bar right now. Answered it yaself there who was going get intimidated for the crime. Was the EDL planning a march on Canary Warf. So what doesn't make it any less illegal does it. Nobody was debating if it was fraud or not just how does 18mth stack up against other mortgage frauds where millions have been stolen ? 1) no-one said you have to be lawyer to agree with their political stance did they? nope thought not...but you keep constructing strawman arguments to deflect though eh? they simply pointed out your factual inaccuracies (it was YOU that brought up the fact he'd been imprisoned and tried to infer that it had something to do with his beliefs and ideaology) 2) it's NOT illegal to place them in solitary if it for fear of their safety 3) as has been mentioned.....he got 18 months custodial (whilst others get suspended sentences) BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUSPEND SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PRISON ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!!!!so first you make things up, then you conveniently ignore facts, then you create strawman arguments to deflect attention for your massive inaccuracies and mistakes....it's people like you that are dangerous in society mate; all these passionately held beliefs but without the cognitive functioning to construct any kind of half decent argument or just hold your hands up and say "Yeah you're right, his numerous times in prison for fraud, drug offences and violence actually had nothing to do with his politics so i shouldn't have mentioned it but let's move on with the thread and what the OP revolves around then" when you've been found out. his prison time WASN'T anything to do with his political beliefs, he even plead guilty to all the offences he's been jailed for in the past...he got a custodial sentence for trying to defraud people to the tune of over £160k not for simply telling a fib about his annual earnings..... he wasn't given a suspended sentence because he had numerous convictions beforehand (standard practice and most certainly not treatment that is exclusive to him) and it's NOT illegal to put someone in solitary for their own safety. personally i'm not arsed about him or his beliefs and if you agree with his beliefs then fair play to you..no issue with that but trying to make out like he's some kind of martyr for the cause is pathetic!!! defrauding people of 100s of thousands of pounds, using other people's identities to illegally enter countries, possessing drugs with the intent to supply, GBH and headbutting another member of the EDL...what a role model!!! i could see your point if he's been imprisoned for or persecuted for nothing but peaceful protest (which thousands of people out there have been in the past) and holding an opinion but that isn't the case. he was imprisoned for being a thug and a conman...none of that negates his views or opinions in my opinion and it certainly shouldn't do..they have nothing to do with his politics so i'll judge the 2 separately and not show any prejudice of his beliefs simply because of his criminal activities but let's not try to tie the 2 together eh??? if nothing else it's massively insulting and does a huge disservice to those out there who ARE real political prisoners and have spent their lives trying to fight against injustice. he isn't even in the same league! can we move on now please? Still for the life of me can not see he was placed in solitary for 18 months, who was he in that much danger from 8-|surely it could not have been peace loving Muslim prisoners.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 24, 2015 18:31:07 GMT
1) no-one said you have to be lawyer to agree with their political stance did they? nope thought not...but you keep constructing strawman arguments to deflect though eh? they simply pointed out your factual inaccuracies (it was YOU that brought up the fact he'd been imprisoned and tried to infer that it had something to do with his beliefs and ideaology) 2) it's NOT illegal to place them in solitary if it for fear of their safety 3) as has been mentioned.....he got 18 months custodial (whilst others get suspended sentences) BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUSPEND SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PRISON ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!!!!so first you make things up, then you conveniently ignore facts, then you create strawman arguments to deflect attention for your massive inaccuracies and mistakes....it's people like you that are dangerous in society mate; all these passionately held beliefs but without the cognitive functioning to construct any kind of half decent argument or just hold your hands up and say "Yeah you're right, his numerous times in prison for fraud, drug offences and violence actually had nothing to do with his politics so i shouldn't have mentioned it but let's move on with the thread and what the OP revolves around then" when you've been found out. his prison time WASN'T anything to do with his political beliefs, he even plead guilty to all the offences he's been jailed for in the past...he got a custodial sentence for trying to defraud people to the tune of over £160k not for simply telling a fib about his annual earnings..... he wasn't given a suspended sentence because he had numerous convictions beforehand (standard practice and most certainly not treatment that is exclusive to him) and it's NOT illegal to put someone in solitary for their own safety. personally i'm not arsed about him or his beliefs and if you agree with his beliefs then fair play to you..no issue with that but trying to make out like he's some kind of martyr for the cause is pathetic!!! defrauding people of 100s of thousands of pounds, using other people's identities to illegally enter countries, possessing drugs with the intent to supply, GBH and headbutting another member of the EDL...what a role model!!! i could see your point if he's been imprisoned for or persecuted for nothing but peaceful protest (which thousands of people out there have been in the past) and holding an opinion but that isn't the case. he was imprisoned for being a thug and a conman...none of that negates his views or opinions in my opinion and it certainly shouldn't do..they have nothing to do with his politics so i'll judge the 2 separately and not show any prejudice of his beliefs simply because of his criminal activities but let's not try to tie the 2 together eh??? if nothing else it's massively insulting and does a huge disservice to those out there who ARE real political prisoners and have spent their lives trying to fight against injustice. he isn't even in the same league! can we move on now please? Still for the life of me can not see he was placed in solitary for 18 months, who was he in that much danger from 8-|surely it could not have been peace loving Muslim prisoners. For speaking the truth, OK sometimes he has said all Muslims but very rare and when Sunni Islam accounts for 80% of British Muslims its a bit easy get excited shall we say. Everything else though called racist for when he was bang on the money. Child Grooming yes, Heroin used as a weapon yes, Fanatical Islam yes. He was onto UK4Islam long before any fucker else. Don't know about solitary confinement should be given a knighthood
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Post by kinetic on Mar 24, 2015 18:34:27 GMT
To be honest fella I didn't realise you had to be a lawyer to agree with someone's opinions. My mistake shall get signed up to the bar right now. Answered it yaself there who was going get intimidated for the crime. Was the EDL planning a march on Canary Warf. So what doesn't make it any less illegal does it. Nobody was debating if it was fraud or not just how does 18mth stack up against other mortgage frauds where millions have been stolen ? 1) no-one said you have to be lawyer to agree with their political stance did they? nope thought not...but you keep constructing strawman arguments to deflect though eh? they simply pointed out your factual inaccuracies (it was YOU that brought up the fact he'd been imprisoned and tried to infer that it had something to do with his beliefs and ideaology) 2) it's NOT illegal to place them in solitary if it for fear of their safety 3) as has been mentioned.....he got 18 months custodial (whilst others get suspended sentences) BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUSPEND SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PRISON ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!!!!so first you make things up, then you conveniently ignore facts, then you create strawman arguments to deflect attention for your massive inaccuracies and mistakes....it's people like you that are dangerous in society mate; all these passionately held beliefs but without the cognitive functioning to construct any kind of half decent argument or just hold your hands up and say "Yeah you're right, his numerous times in prison for fraud, drug offences and violence actually had nothing to do with his politics so i shouldn't have mentioned it but let's move on with the thread and what the OP revolves around then" when you've been found out. his prison time WASN'T anything to do with his political beliefs, he even plead guilty to all the offences he's been jailed for in the past...he got a custodial sentence for trying to defraud people to the tune of over £160k not for simply telling a fib about his annual earnings..... he wasn't given a suspended sentence because he had numerous convictions beforehand (standard practice and most certainly not treatment that is exclusive to him) and it's NOT illegal to put someone in solitary for their own safety. personally i'm not arsed about him or his beliefs and if you agree with his beliefs then fair play to you..no issue with that but trying to make out like he's some kind of martyr for the cause is pathetic!!! defrauding people of 100s of thousands of pounds, using other people's identities to illegally enter countries, possessing drugs with the intent to supply, GBH and headbutting another member of the EDL...what a role model!!! i could see your point if he's been imprisoned for or persecuted for nothing but peaceful protest (which thousands of people out there have been in the past) and holding an opinion but that isn't the case. he was imprisoned for being a thug and a conman...none of that negates his views or opinions in my opinion and it certainly shouldn't do..they have nothing to do with his politics so i'll judge the 2 separately and not show any prejudice of his beliefs simply because of his criminal activities but let's not try to tie the 2 together eh??? if nothing else it's massively insulting and does a huge disservice to those out there who ARE real political prisoners and have spent their lives trying to fight against injustice. he isn't even in the same league! can we move on now please? Stick by it all the Judge can do as he pleases they have guidelines double standards across the board. When it comes to Islamists. Why isn't Choudary in jail yet ?? Or at least an ASBO that say shut the fuck up please Anjem.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 24, 2015 18:38:31 GMT
See Chouadry has been invited to the Oxford Union. I wonder if he will be greeted by the Union jack burning anti fascist UAF like Tommy was ??
I have a funny feeling the answer will be a big fat NO
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2015 20:46:53 GMT
1) no-one said you have to be lawyer to agree with their political stance did they? nope thought not...but you keep constructing strawman arguments to deflect though eh? they simply pointed out your factual inaccuracies (it was YOU that brought up the fact he'd been imprisoned and tried to infer that it had something to do with his beliefs and ideaology) 2) it's NOT illegal to place them in solitary if it for fear of their safety 3) as has been mentioned.....he got 18 months custodial (whilst others get suspended sentences) BECAUSE YOU DON'T SUSPEND SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PRISON ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS!!!!so first you make things up, then you conveniently ignore facts, then you create strawman arguments to deflect attention for your massive inaccuracies and mistakes....it's people like you that are dangerous in society mate; all these passionately held beliefs but without the cognitive functioning to construct any kind of half decent argument or just hold your hands up and say "Yeah you're right, his numerous times in prison for fraud, drug offences and violence actually had nothing to do with his politics so i shouldn't have mentioned it but let's move on with the thread and what the OP revolves around then" when you've been found out. his prison time WASN'T anything to do with his political beliefs, he even plead guilty to all the offences he's been jailed for in the past...he got a custodial sentence for trying to defraud people to the tune of over £160k not for simply telling a fib about his annual earnings..... he wasn't given a suspended sentence because he had numerous convictions beforehand (standard practice and most certainly not treatment that is exclusive to him) and it's NOT illegal to put someone in solitary for their own safety. personally i'm not arsed about him or his beliefs and if you agree with his beliefs then fair play to you..no issue with that but trying to make out like he's some kind of martyr for the cause is pathetic!!! defrauding people of 100s of thousands of pounds, using other people's identities to illegally enter countries, possessing drugs with the intent to supply, GBH and headbutting another member of the EDL...what a role model!!! i could see your point if he's been imprisoned for or persecuted for nothing but peaceful protest (which thousands of people out there have been in the past) and holding an opinion but that isn't the case. he was imprisoned for being a thug and a conman...none of that negates his views or opinions in my opinion and it certainly shouldn't do..they have nothing to do with his politics so i'll judge the 2 separately and not show any prejudice of his beliefs simply because of his criminal activities but let's not try to tie the 2 together eh??? if nothing else it's massively insulting and does a huge disservice to those out there who ARE real political prisoners and have spent their lives trying to fight against injustice. he isn't even in the same league! can we move on now please? Stick by it all the Judge can do as he pleases they have guidelines double standards across the board. When it comes to Islamists. Why isn't Choudary in jail yet ?? Or at least an ASBO that say shut the fuck up please Anjem. I wonder what reaction we would get if a gathering of Christians marched through the capital of Pakistan burning their national flag, would the authorities protect from Muslims
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 24, 2015 21:29:38 GMT
Genuine question, Kinetic... When you were a smackhead did you used to buy your heroin off Muslims?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2015 22:33:27 GMT
Genuine question, Kinetic... When you were a smackhead did you used to buy your heroin off Muslims? Apologies for butting in, surely that would not be possible I believe that the their religion forbids that sort of thing, unless you know differently of course that is 8-|or maybe dealing drugs is viewed as a different matter than partaking of illegal substances in the views of Allah.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 24, 2015 23:05:32 GMT
Apologies for butting in, surely that would not be possible I believe that the their religion forbids that sort of thing, unless you know differently of course that is 8-|or maybe dealing drugs is viewed as a different matter than partaking of illegal substances in the views of Allah. No apology needed. I have no idea if selling drugs is allowed or not in Islam (I'll assume it's not) I know it's illegal in the Western world but plenty of 'us' still do it. My point had nothing to do with whether selling drugs was 'allowed' or not, though, I was just wondering if perhaps (Assuming it was Muslims who sold Kinteic his heroin) that he somehow blamed them for 'making him' a smackhead.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2015 23:35:41 GMT
Apologies for butting in, surely that would not be possible I believe that the their religion forbids that sort of thing, unless you know differently of course that is 8-|or maybe dealing drugs is viewed as a different matter than partaking of illegal substances in the views of Allah. No apology needed. I have no idea if selling drugs is allowed or not in Islam (I'll assume it's not) I know it's illegal in the Western world but plenty of 'us' still do it. My point had nothing to do with whether selling drugs was 'allowed' or not, though, I was just wondering if perhaps (Assuming it was Muslims who sold Kinteic his heroin) that he somehow blamed them for 'making him' a smackhead.
I do not sell drugs who is this us you speak of, the majority of law abiding citizens in this country do not sell drugs (hoprfully), why do you state this poster is a smackhead do you know his situation or are you making assumptions ?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 24, 2015 23:41:57 GMT
I do not sell drugs who is this us you speak of, the majority of law abiding citizens in this country do not sell drugs (hoprfully), why do you state this poster is a smackhead do you know his situation or are you making assumptions ?
I mean 'us' as in 'white, Christian, Western' Whatever you want to call 'us'. No most of 'us' don't sell drugs, just like most of 'them' (Muslims) don't sell drugs. I state that Kinetic was a smackhead because he openly admited it in past conversations on this forum.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 25, 2015 4:08:47 GMT
Genuine question, Kinetic... When you were a smackhead did you used to buy your heroin off Muslims? Don't everyone some how or the other. If I wanted a weight it be Cobridge Muslims. 10 pound bag go see the white lads in Middleport knocking out for I wonder ??
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Post by kinetic on Mar 28, 2015 10:12:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 11:59:56 GMT
There is a relevant difference between the muslim rape-gangs and the non-muslim paedophiles. Whilst they are all sick fucks who would be executed if I was in charge, the muslims are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that what is written in the koran is to be abided by. So when they learn that muhammad was marrying and fucking a 9 year old child, and they learn that muhammad commanded his followers to slaughter the non-believers and to sexually enslave infidel women, I think it's pretty clear that most of these people committing these atrocities would not be partaking in these heinous activities if it wasn't for the fact that they are being indoctrinated and enslaved by a self-perpetuating cult from a very young age to believe that their actions are just, and that the people they are committing these atrocities against are inferior to them. The only way Islam can ever be compatible with Britain is if Britain becomes an Islamic country and I hope to god we collectively wake up someday soon and crush any chance of that ever happening. The longer we take to collectively realise what is coming, the graver the repercussions will be.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 28, 2015 12:28:08 GMT
There is a relevant difference between the muslim rape-gangs and the non-muslim paedophiles. Whilst they are all sick fucks who would be executed if I was in charge, the muslims are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that what is written in the koran is to be abided by. So when they learn that muhammad was marrying and fucking a 9 year old child, and they learn that muhammad commanded his followers to slaughter the non-believers and to sexually enslave infidel women, I think it's pretty clear that most of these people committing these atrocities would not be partaking in these heinous activities if it wasn't for the fact that they are being indoctrinated and enslaved by a self-perpetuating cult from a very young age to believe that their actions are just, and that the people they are committing these atrocities against are inferior to them. The only way Islam can ever be compatible with Britain is if Britain becomes an Islamic country and I hope to god we collectively wake up someday soon and crush any chance of that ever happening. The longer we take to collectively realise what is coming, the graver the repercussions will be. Pretty much spot on if you ask me, the prospect of Britain becoming an Islamic state scares the shit out of me, we need to wake up and smell the coffee pretty fuckin soon or that looks like the most likely scenario, probably be lambasted by some on here but that is the way I see it.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 28, 2015 12:54:31 GMT
There is a relevant difference between the muslim rape-gangs and the non-muslim paedophiles. Whilst they are all sick fucks who would be executed if I was in charge, the muslims are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that what is written in the koran is to be abided by. So when they learn that muhammad was marrying and fucking a 9 year old child, and they learn that muhammad commanded his followers to slaughter the non-believers and to sexually enslave infidel women, I think it's pretty clear that most of these people committing these atrocities would not be partaking in these heinous activities if it wasn't for the fact that they are being indoctrinated and enslaved by a self-perpetuating cult from a very young age to believe that their actions are just, and that the people they are committing these atrocities against are inferior to them. The only way Islam can ever be compatible with Britain is if Britain becomes an Islamic country and I hope to god we collectively wake up someday soon and crush any chance of that ever happening. The longer we take to collectively realise what is coming, the graver the repercussions will be. Tbh I don't see this , the Old Testament is pretty brutal as well but the world is a very different place from those ancient times and right thinking people Muslims included know this is fundamentally wrong ., rape and underage sex requires a certain evil mentality regardless of what it says in the Koran.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 15:04:18 GMT
Tbh I don't see this , the Old Testament is pretty brutal as well but the world is a very different place from those ancient times and right thinking people Muslims included know this is fundamentally wrong ., rape and underage sex requires a certain evil mentality regardless of what it says in the Koran. Well Christianity/Islam/Judaism are all essentially different branches of the same religion. A fairly well known example of this is that Jesus is accepted as a prophet of god in Islam, and it is quite common for scholars of the three cults to accept that they are ultimately worshipping the same god through different means. The major problem as I see it is that, whilst Christianity is dwindling in this nation and Judaism is set to remain essentially anonymous, Islam is growing rapidly. Very young children are having their minds moulded and malformed by a self-perpetuating, dangerous doctrine. Whilst the punishment for apostasy isn't officially death in this country, you have to consider how hard it must be for a young Muslim who thinks freely and breaks their mind loose from the shackles of everything they have been brainwashed to believe is truth since before they were even fully conscious. Firstly, the intellectual leap to reach the point where they conclude that everything they have been told by their community, by their parents, is actually just communal mental-illness, is staggeringly hard to comprehend. Then you have to consider that if they were to openly express their feelings the best outcome they could hope for is to be outcast by the only community they have ever known, a community that lives in a bubble and looks down at the rest of the nation with contempt. That's the best case scenario, but then you have to consider that sharia courts are operating up and down the nation. I shudder to think what is being covered up. Despite the odds against it happening, due to the numbers it seems unlikely that 0 young muslims have publicly renounced their faith and lost their lives as a result. We've already seen cases of young muslim girls having friendships or romantic relationships with similar aged white boys and losing their lives as a result, and that was only when the crimes became public. I wonder how many times this scenario has played out but the people committing these crimes haven't received any punishment!? I'm rambling but my point is, there will always be evil people in the world that is just a sad fact of reality, but despite the good things that religion can bring it is undeniable that otherwise good people feel justified in committing atrocious acts as a result of religion. It is socially-accepted mental-illness. If humanity survives another 500 years, I imagine that the people then will look back at our times as dark, dark ages much in the same way we look back 500 years at the burning of witches and the suffering christianity brought all over europe as dark-times.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 28, 2015 19:33:23 GMT
There is a relevant difference between the muslim rape-gangs and the non-muslim paedophiles. Whilst they are all sick fucks who would be executed if I was in charge, the muslims are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that what is written in the koran is to be abided by. So when they learn that muhammad was marrying and fucking a 9 year old child, and they learn that muhammad commanded his followers to slaughter the non-believers and to sexually enslave infidel women, I think it's pretty clear that most of these people committing these atrocities would not be partaking in these heinous activities if it wasn't for the fact that they are being indoctrinated and enslaved by a self-perpetuating cult from a very young age to believe that their actions are just, and that the people they are committing these atrocities against are inferior to them. The only way Islam can ever be compatible with Britain is if Britain becomes an Islamic country and I hope to god we collectively wake up someday soon and crush any chance of that ever happening. The longer we take to collectively realise what is coming, the graver the repercussions will be. Tbh I don't see this , the Old Testament is pretty brutal as well but the world is a very different place from those ancient times and right thinking people Muslims included know this is fundamentally wrong ., rape and underage sex requires a certain evil mentality regardless of what it says in the Koran. Difference is you start spouting any of that vile from the Old Testament you will be hauled up in front of a British court of law. Well when I say British you will be thrown in front of a serving District Judge who also happens to be the co founder of the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal. If your are wondering what that is just Sharia courts operating inside HM Court system. The rights and wrongs of that I don't know but sticking a Christian preacher in front of a Judge who clearly follows the Quran for his moral guidance well someone is taking the piss. www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/freedom-of-speech/judge-censors-bible-for-public-preaching
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Post by kinetic on Mar 28, 2015 21:01:26 GMT
There is a relevant difference between the muslim rape-gangs and the non-muslim paedophiles. Whilst they are all sick fucks who would be executed if I was in charge, the muslims are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that what is written in the koran is to be abided by. So when they learn that muhammad was marrying and fucking a 9 year old child, and they learn that muhammad commanded his followers to slaughter the non-believers and to sexually enslave infidel women, I think it's pretty clear that most of these people committing these atrocities would not be partaking in these heinous activities if it wasn't for the fact that they are being indoctrinated and enslaved by a self-perpetuating cult from a very young age to believe that their actions are just, and that the people they are committing these atrocities against are inferior to them. The only way Islam can ever be compatible with Britain is if Britain becomes an Islamic country and I hope to god we collectively wake up someday soon and crush any chance of that ever happening. The longer we take to collectively realise what is coming, the graver the repercussions will be. Tbh I don't see this , the Old Testament is pretty brutal as well but the world is a very different place from those ancient times and right thinking people Muslims included know this is fundamentally wrong ., rape and underage sex requires a certain evil mentality regardless of what it says in the Koran. Couple of young British Muslims sharing their thoughts on how women should carry their self's in public lots of verses from the Quran. no need watch it all just pull it to 11mins. "If a women is dressed skimpy go touch her up cause she is wearing the uniform of a chick that wants to be touched up" Then here he is again harassing kids ??
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