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Post by kinetic on Mar 17, 2015 22:51:29 GMT
Same doctrine if you want take it to bare bones so yeah that Old Testament full of hate. Oi change Moses to Mohamed ya know what the Old Testament becomes ? Like I KEEP saying though least Christianity had the ENLIGHTEMENT YEARS. Try understand that its not hard. I love how you just gloss over anything bad that white/Western/Christian people have done, just like you gloss over anything good Arab/Muslim people have done. When and when ? What good have Arabs done ?? They try teach you about the golden age of Islam its bullshit they invaded the Persian, Greek, Bazentyan empires and claimed the science as their own ? Stolen Land the fucking end. I will talk about the Crusades 9 there was. You know how many wars in the name of Islam there was during the structure of the first caliphate ? Just 540 something. Invaded Spain knocking on the gates of Vienna. Its all bollox anyway.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:00:14 GMT
When and when ? What good have Arabs done ?? They try teach you about the golden age of Islam its bullshit they invaded the Persian, Greek, Bazentyan empires and claimed the science as their own ? Stolen Land the fucking end. I will talk about the Crusades 9 there was. You know how many wars in the name of Islam there was during the structure of the first caliphate ? Just 540 something. Invaded Spain knocking on the gates of Vienna. Its all bollox anyway. The Arab/Muslim word gave us plenty to do with Science/Maths/Law/etc... Just as White/Western/Christians raped & pillaged lands all over the globe. (We live in a country who has done so on a scale never seen before!) Again, though, all you see is the bad in Arabs/Islam (And I admit, there are bad parts) But you happily ignore the bad of the White/Western/Christian world (Of which there is just as much, if not more, evil) And that is why no-one takes the slightest bit of notice of you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:02:12 GMT
I used to live next door to a family that fought one another like hell.
I quickly learned that it was best left alone .
Parallels can easily be drawn can't they ?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 17, 2015 23:11:06 GMT
Yeah watch out for the Catholic Church. All that messing with young boys..... They've nodoubt been infiltrated by Muslims All the same dirty Paedophile bastards, religion is no excuse hang the fucking lot of them, no more cover up's by the authorities
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Post by kinetic on Mar 17, 2015 23:12:54 GMT
When and when ? What good have Arabs done ?? They try teach you about the golden age of Islam its bullshit they invaded the Persian, Greek, Bazentyan empires and claimed the science as their own ? Stolen Land the fucking end. I will talk about the Crusades 9 there was. You know how many wars in the name of Islam there was during the structure of the first caliphate ? Just 540 something. Invaded Spain knocking on the gates of Vienna. Its all bollox anyway. The Arab/Muslim word gave us plenty to do with Science/Maths/Law/etc... Just as White/Western/Christians raped & pillaged lands all over the globe. (We live in a country who has done so on a scale never seen before!) Again, though, all you see is the bad in Arabs/Islam (And I admit, there are bad parts) But you happily ignore the bad of the White/Western/Christian world (Of which there is just as much, if not more, evil) And that is why no-one takes the slightest bit of notice of you. Bullshit. Now go and learn about Mohamed aka Islam and how he/it invaded the Persian, Byzantine and Greek empires. Peacefully converting. This isn't propaganda its in the Quran ffs.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 17, 2015 23:15:34 GMT
The article does make a painful but honest assertion that the left wing labour supporter is now adifferent animal than it once was . Any working class traditional socialist voter from thirty years ago would have been predominently white and more nationalistically proud of this countries history and traditions than the far left of today . This is for a number of reasons , but mainly as a result of educational indoctrination ,integration and immigration or put more succinctly the foreigner factor . Already I suspect there is a tendency for those to scream a racist agenda or racist rhetoric is my prime objective but this isnot the case . It is merely down to the fact that most migrants to this country vote for the partty that is likely to represent there views and needs more than the far right. It is therefore quite clear that as we as a nation encourage and allow more foreigners into this country , then the liklihood of more labour support than conservative or UKIP will continue. What we are therefore seeing is a gradual sea change in British politics that has never been seen before. Tradional white british voters drifting over to the right of British politics to protect their menial jobs and heritage , whilst the foreign immigrants going the other way as previously mentioned. I suppose you could call it multiculturalism ,whilst others such as myself might call it a dilution of indigenous nationalstic pride and traditions . We are constantly told and reminded in this country how it is quickly evolving and changing for the better by the likes of Biddulphchav and ************** aka S.O.N.S , but in reality their opinion is based on party allegiences and bigotry. I dont listen to anyone who thinks that the standards in this country in terms of racist and sex offences and national identity are better now because they simply are not. Is it the fault of the perpetrators of this worrying trend or is it a fault of the British peop l e for allowing it to happen ? Both I suspect , but it is a situation that is rapidly getting worse month after month. I was today accused by Biddulph chav of being dangerous and deranged for spelling out what I am now repeating , because back in my day we never heard of racial tension , foreign rapists or Pakistani paedophiles infiltrating these shores . Currently we have this all within our midst along with the fundamental terrorist threat too. I would love to temper my comments with some good news or even offer a glint of light at the end of the tunnel ,but sadly there isnt one . My comments are not an opinion , but a fact of british life today. When you put the values and indoctrinations of medieval religious beliefs together with life in the 21 century it is quite easy to see the two things just are not compatible. It will take many generations before there is any chance of peace and stability being restored and the current climate now seen in the middle east is at its worst in history . Is it any wonder why violence and bloodshed has now spread to Europe through immigration policies ? No .....it was was inevitable. 30 years ago myself and many other Labour Party members helped form the Anti Nazi league..joining with black, asian, gay people to kick the NF out. So your opening statement fails...badly.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 17, 2015 23:18:27 GMT
The article does make a painful but honest assertion that the left wing labour supporter is now adifferent animal than it once was . Any working class traditional socialist voter from thirty years ago would have been predominently white and more nationalistically proud of this countries history and traditions than the far left of today . This is for a number of reasons , but mainly as a result of educational indoctrination ,integration and immigration or put more succinctly the foreigner factor . Already I suspect there is a tendency for those to scream a racist agenda or racist rhetoric is my prime objective but this isnot the case . It is merely down to the fact that most migrants to this country vote for the partty that is likely to represent there views and needs more than the far right. It is therefore quite clear that as we as a nation encourage and allow more foreigners into this country , then the liklihood of more labour support than conservative or UKIP will continue. What we are therefore seeing is a gradual sea change in British politics that has never been seen before. Tradional white british voters drifting over to the right of British politics to protect their menial jobs and heritage , whilst the foreign immigrants going the other way as previously mentioned. I suppose you could call it multiculturalism ,whilst others such as myself might call it a dilution of indigenous nationalstic pride and traditions . We are constantly told and reminded in this country how it is quickly evolving and changing for the better by the likes of Biddulphchav and ************** aka S.O.N.S , but in reality their opinion is based on party allegiences and bigotry. I dont listen to anyone who thinks that the standards in this country in terms of racist and sex offences and national identity are better now because they simply are not. Is it the fault of the perpetrators of this worrying trend or is it a fault of the British peop l e for allowing it to happen ? Both I suspect , but it is a situation that is rapidly getting worse month after month. I was today accused by Biddulph chav of being dangerous and deranged for spelling out what I am now repeating , because back in my day we never heard of racial tension , foreign rapists or Pakistani paedophiles infiltrating these shores . Currently we have this all within our midst along with the fundamental terrorist threat too. I would love to temper my comments with some good news or even offer a glint of light at the end of the tunnel ,but sadly there isnt one . My comments are not an opinion , but a fact of british life today. When you put the values and indoctrinations of medieval religious beliefs together with life in the 21 century it is quite easy to see the two things just are not compatible. It will take many generations before there is any chance of peace and stability being restored and the current climate now seen in the middle east is at its worst in history . Is it any wonder why violence and bloodshed has now spread to Europe through immigration policies ? No .....it was was inevitable. 30 years ago myself and many other Labour Party members helped form the Anti Nazi league..joining with black, asian, gay people to kick the NF out. So your opening statement fails...badly. 30yr later its run by Islamists. Shudda kept ya eye on the ball.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:19:02 GMT
Bullshit. No go and learn about Mohamed aka Islam and how he/it invaded the Persian, Byzantine and Greek empires. Peacefully converting. This isn't propaganda its in the Quran ffs. Which bit is 'bullshit'? That White/European/Christian people have never invaded/conquered lands? Or are you again just going to ignore all the centuries of this happening & pass it all off & a jolly boys outing & yet-a-boringly-gain go back to making out as only Arabs/Muslims have ever done this?
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Post by kinetic on Mar 17, 2015 23:25:56 GMT
Bullshit. No go and learn about Mohamed aka Islam and how he/it invaded the Persian, Byzantine and Greek empires. Peacefully converting. This isn't propaganda its in the Quran ffs. Which bit is 'bullshit'? That White/European/Christian people have never invaded/conquered lands? Or are you again just going to ignore all the centuries of this happening & pass it all off & a jolly boys outing & yet-a-boringly-gain go back to making out as only Arabs/Muslims have ever done this? Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:32:03 GMT
The article does make a painful but honest assertion that the left wing labour supporter is now adifferent animal than it once was . Any working class traditional socialist voter from thirty years ago would have been predominently white and more nationalistically proud of this countries history and traditions than the far left of today . This is for a number of reasons , but mainly as a result of educational indoctrination ,integration and immigration or put more succinctly the foreigner factor . Already I suspect there is a tendency for those to scream a racist agenda or racist rhetoric is my prime objective but this isnot the case . It is merely down to the fact that most migrants to this country vote for the partty that is likely to represent there views and needs more than the far right. It is therefore quite clear that as we as a nation encourage and allow more foreigners into this country , then the liklihood of more labour support than conservative or UKIP will continue. What we are therefore seeing is a gradual sea change in British politics that has never been seen before. Tradional white british voters drifting over to the right of British politics to protect their menial jobs and heritage , whilst the foreign immigrants going the other way as previously mentioned. I suppose you could call it multiculturalism ,whilst others such as myself might call it a dilution of indigenous nationalstic pride and traditions . We are constantly told and reminded in this country how it is quickly evolving and changing for the better by the likes of Biddulphchav and ************** aka S.O.N.S , but in reality their opinion is based on party allegiences and bigotry. I dont listen to anyone who thinks that the standards in this country in terms of racist and sex offences and national identity are better now because they simply are not. Is it the fault of the perpetrators of this worrying trend or is it a fault of the British peop l e for allowing it to happen ? Both I suspect , but it is a situation that is rapidly getting worse month after month. I was today accused by Biddulph chav of being dangerous and deranged for spelling out what I am now repeating , because back in my day we never heard of racial tension , foreign rapists or Pakistani paedophiles infiltrating these shores . Currently we have this all within our midst along with the fundamental terrorist threat too. I would love to temper my comments with some good news or even offer a glint of light at the end of the tunnel ,but sadly there isnt one . My comments are not an opinion , but a fact of british life today. When you put the values and indoctrinations of medieval religious beliefs together with life in the 21 century it is quite easy to see the two things just are not compatible. It will take many generations before there is any chance of peace and stability being restored and the current climate now seen in the middle east is at its worst in history . Is it any wonder why violence and bloodshed has now spread to Europe through immigration policies ? No .....it was was inevitable. 30 years ago myself and many other Labour Party members helped form the Anti Nazi league..joining with black, asian, gay people to kick the NF out. So your opening statement fails...badly. It depends what you class as failure . Failure for me was staying where I was ...and you know where that is don't you . Thirty years ago , my concerns have been realised in a number of ways . To some this may come across as arrogant , but true none the less . You yourself reported a very serious assault right on your doorstep along with many other things I Have read about in the Sentinel . Those fellow 'comrades ' you joined forces with , have now become the 'enemy within ' not just locally , but nationally . Obviously , a minority of people within those ethnic groups , but given the volume of immigrants involved ...a significant number . Ironically , the EDL and NF have to a certain extent faded into the background . They have been overtaken by events ......all bad and not perpetrated by themselves. Bet you weren't expecting that when were standing next to your Gay friends , Asians etc ,? It begs the question .....has Mumf failed in his life choices ? .
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 17, 2015 23:32:06 GMT
I am still amazed that there are so many people who will defend the followers of Islam when around the world they are carrying out atrocities in the name of Islam
Anjam choudray says himself that the Quran makes it very clear that Islam is not a religion of peace and that jihad is a Muslims duty!! Look for the interview on line for yourself if you do not believe me. How u can defend that is simply beyond me
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:39:56 GMT
Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. So again, as usual, you'll ignore all the bad of White/Western/Christians, and instead focus soley on the bad of Arabs/Muslims. Anything that WWC's (That's White/Western/Christians) steal, take over, claim as their own, etc... That's all fine & dandy? Greeks, Eygptians, Romans, Mongols, French, British, US, etc... All the peoples/Countries/ideas/etc... that these have invaded/taken-over, it's all fine... But those Muslims, oh man, they're scum.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:43:07 GMT
I am still amazed that there are so many people who will defend the followers of Islam when around the world they are carrying out atrocities in the name of Islam Anjam choudray says himself that the Quran makes it very clear that Islam is not a religion of peace and that jihad is a Muslims duty!! Look for the interview on line for yourself if you do not believe me. How u can defend that is simply beyond me People defend the innocent people of Islam. The UK & US kill thousands of innocent Muslims each year (Thousands of non-Muslims too!) I'd hope you don't hold me gulity of those killings just 'cos I'm white & British?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:46:32 GMT
Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. So again, as usual, you'll ignore all the bad of White/Western/Christians, and instead focus soley on the bad of Arabs/Muslims. Anything that WWC's (That's White/Western/Christians) steal, take over, claim as their own, etc... That's all fine & dandy? Greeks, Eygptians, Romans, Mongols, French, British, US, etc... All the peoples/Countries/ideas/etc... that these have invaded/taken-over, it's all fine... But those Muslims, oh man, they're scum. But , if I may suggest the balance of outrage lies at the feet of Jihadist extremists does it not ? They are currently the ones wheeling out innocent civilians and beheading them with the sole purpose of creating a holy war that will draw more countries into conflict . I'm not suggesting that all Muslims are bad , or that all Christians are good , but I haven't seen many people beheaded on Sky news by the 'blue rinsers' in Home Counties South . These are people who watch Downton Abbey ...don't you know ....!
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 17, 2015 23:52:03 GMT
DC could you please enlighten us who and where are these thousands of innocent Muslims that the uk and USA kill each year?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:53:40 GMT
But , if I may suggest the balance of outrage lies at the feet of Jihadist extremists does it not ? I have no problem at all with people pointing their outrage at Muslim extremists. Just like I have no problem with, for example, black people showing their outrage against the KKK (Or C-18) But I would have a problem with black people thinking all white people were KKK/C-18 (Or supporters of them because we didn't speakout against them) Just like I don't like people saying all Muslim's are trying to kill us.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:54:19 GMT
DC could you please enlighten us who and where are these thousands of innocent Muslims that the uk and USA kill each year? Go on Liveleak & knock yourself out.
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 17, 2015 23:55:48 GMT
What?
I ask a serious question and you come back with that as your answer!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:57:45 GMT
But , if I may suggest the balance of outrage lies at the feet of Jihadist extremists does it not ? I have no problem at all with people pointing their outrage at Muslim extremists. Just like I have no problem with, for example, black people showing their outrage against the KKK (Or C-18) But I would have a problem with black people thinking all white people were KKK/C-18 (Or supporters of them because we didn't speakout against them) Just like I don't like people saying all Muslim's are trying to kill us. Well...that's a very fair comment and one I would agree with . The problem is , that some on here seem to think that it is simply a racist issue .....rather than an extremist element . Even when you have repeated the point or stance many many times.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 18, 2015 0:00:37 GMT
What? I ask a serious question and you come back with that as your answer!! US Apache pilots laughing & joking, giving it the "Fuck yeah" as they blow fuck out of Reuters Journalists walking down a street with some 'Dirty Muslims' is a joke to you? Or any of the bombing raids, drone strikes etc...? Let me guess, every single home they hit, every school, every Hospital, they were all full of terrorists?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:08:48 GMT
Which bit is 'bullshit'? That White/European/Christian people have never invaded/conquered lands? Or are you again just going to ignore all the centuries of this happening & pass it all off & a jolly boys outing & yet-a-boringly-gain go back to making out as only Arabs/Muslims have ever done this? Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. In fairness a lot of early astronomical " research " if we can use that word was carried out by Arabic Astronomers .....In fact a great many of the well known stars in our constellations were named by them ....the Arabs also were pioneering in the art of mapping the night sky and thus were the pioneers in the field of celestial maritime navigation ,,before the the Ancient Greeks ( who I'm a great admirer of ) ...So I'm afraid you must give them some credit even if it is grudgingly .
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 18, 2015 0:08:55 GMT
Fuck it your right because some innocents got killed in the war against sadam and then theTaliban IS now have the right to behead people, throw them off buildings, call for the west to be governed by Saharia law etc etc
No point discussing it our views are poles apart and there is no middle ground on this subject
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:09:35 GMT
What? I ask a serious question and you come back with that as your answer!! US Apache pilots laughing & joking, giving it the "Fuck yeah" as they blow fuck out of Reuters Journalists walking down a street with some 'Dirty Muslims' is a joke to you? Or any of the bombing raids, drone strikes etc...? Let me guess, every single home they hit, every school, every Hospital, they were all full of terrorists? You would hope that such incidents are the exception than the rule . You would also hope that the relatives of these innocents would do their utmost to implore the extremist fighters to lay down their weapons and admit defeat . Admit they are the ones who are suffering terrible losses of life and actually unite against the lunatic element . Something akin to what happened in Ireland with the peace movement. It just doesn't happen though does it ? All we see see is hysterical screaming , shouting , blasphemy and the firing off of Kalashnikovs while their kids stand by ready to pick up where their dads let go. It's a pretty warped and sick deprived society that shows no sign of real humanity and compassion . If it did , then you would have assumed a more organised stance against military conflict .
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 18, 2015 0:12:38 GMT
Fuck it your right because some innocents got killed in the war against sadam and then theTaliban IS now have the right to behead people, throw them off buildings, call for the west to be governed by Saharia law etc etc No point discussing it our views are poles apart and there is no middle ground on this subject No where, in any post I have ever made have I even remotely justified what IS are doing right now. So you're right, the fact that you are so blinkered & blinded by hate means there is no point in discussing it.
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 18, 2015 0:13:27 GMT
Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. In fairness a lot of early astronomical " research " if we can use that word was carried out by Arabic Astronomers .....In fact a great many of the well known stars in our constellations were named by them ....the Arabs also were pioneering in the art of mapping the night sky and thus were the pioneers in the field of celestial maritime navigation ,,before the the Ancient Greeks ( who I'm a great admirer of ) ...So I'm afraid you must give them some credit even if it is grudgingly . Fuckin hell. Bisp some of the daft cunts still think the works is flat so I wouldn't be giving them to much credit After living for six years in the Middle East I can confidently say that their education system is appalling and their work ethic is even worse so I Wundt be havin them down as pioneers of much if i was u!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:15:29 GMT
Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. In fairness a lot of early astronomical " research " if we can use that word was carried out by Arabic Astronomers .....In fact a great many of the well known stars in our constellations were named by them ....the Arabs also were pioneering in the art of mapping the night sky and thus were the pioneers in the field of celestial maritime navigation ,,before the the Ancient Greeks ( who I'm a great admirer of ) ...So I'm afraid you must give them some credit even if it is grudgingly . Very true ...the fact that the skies over Arabia were clear most nights also helped their Astronomical ambitions whilst here in the UK the Skies were not so clear . It resulted in one of our most eminent Astronimers from BLackpool " Cosmo Smallpiece " to suffer from poor eyesight due to all the straining they were doing .... His mind then quickly declined not long afterwards .....
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Post by kinetic on Mar 18, 2015 0:18:38 GMT
Well I was more angling at the great scientific break trough's that have come from Islam. You tried tell me some BULLSHIT about how the Arabs lead the way in Maths ?? No that was the Greeks. Or was it charting the planets ?? No that was the Persians. BULLSHIT. So again, as usual, you'll ignore all the bad of White/Western/Christians, and instead focus soley on the bad of Arabs/Muslims. Anything that WWC's (That's White/Western/Christians) steal, take over, claim as their own, etc... That's all fine & dandy? Greeks, Eygptians, Romans, Mongols, French, British, US, etc... All the peoples/Countries/ideas/etc... that these have invaded/taken-over, it's all fine... But those Muslims, oh man, they're scum. I have no idea what you are talking about Greek empire 700yr ago Roman 1000yr ago French 80yr ago British 80yr ago. ISIS alive and well today. Yeah them Muslims hey.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 18, 2015 0:19:59 GMT
Fuckin hell. Bisp some of the daft cunts still think the works is flat so I wouldn't be giving them to much credit After living for six years in the Middle East I can confidently say that their education system is appalling and their work ethic is even worse so I Wundt be havin them down as pioneers of much if i was u!!!! I think the word I'm after is... Ironing... Or something similar to that.
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Post by milfman1 on Mar 18, 2015 0:22:45 GMT
Fuckin hell. Bisp some of the daft cunts still think the works is flat so I wouldn't be giving them to much credit After living for six years in the Middle East I can confidently say that their education system is appalling and their work ethic is even worse so I Wundt be havin them down as pioneers of much if i was u!!!! I think the word I'm after is... Ironing... Or something similar to that. ????
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:23:18 GMT
In fairness a lot of early astronomical " research " if we can use that word was carried out by Arabic Astronomers .....In fact a great many of the well known stars in our constellations were named by them ....the Arabs also were pioneering in the art of mapping the night sky and thus were the pioneers in the field of celestial maritime navigation ,,before the the Ancient Greeks ( who I'm a great admirer of ) ...So I'm afraid you must give them some credit even if it is grudgingly . Fuckin hell. Bisp some of the daft cunts still think the works is flat so I wouldn't be giving them to much credit After living for six years in the Middle East I can confidently say that their education system is appalling and their work ethic is even worse so I Wundt be havin them down as pioneers of much if i was u!!!! That may be mate , not having visited the area I couldn't say .....But being an astronomer and historian I know what facts are correct and what aren't concerning this subject ....and they were pioneers as were the Ancient Egyptians , and look at that now once great civilisation ...I make no excuses for the state of things today ...it's abysmal , but their Science and Philosophy were ground breaking in ancient times ..it's a pity they have regressed.
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