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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 22, 2015 23:11:54 GMT
Comfortable on 36 points. Money aside is this the time to give the lad some games
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 23:15:25 GMT
Comfortable...Why? Was anyone here really worried about relegation this season? 40 points means fuck all to Stoke now. For me there are two things that matter currently, our 50 points and 9th place records. Let's play our best squad for every game and beat both... BRING IT ON
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Feb 22, 2015 23:19:58 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 22, 2015 23:19:58 GMT
With you iwebbyyy! 15 points to get minimum from 12 games remaining! And a plus goal diff, go on Stoke!
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 22, 2015 23:28:20 GMT
More interested in 50 points than developing the youngster then?
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Feb 22, 2015 23:29:28 GMT
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Post by thestokielad on Feb 22, 2015 23:29:28 GMT
No we need to get as many points as possible and finish as high as we can.
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Post by Jimm on Feb 22, 2015 23:32:54 GMT
If and when he's at the right level, I'm sure Sparky will give him game time
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2015 0:14:43 GMT
Instead of who?
I'm all for giving him game time but I think from the bench would be best, at least a few 20 min appearances anyway, see how good he actually is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 23, 2015 0:18:23 GMT
Instead of who? I'm all for giving him game time but I think from the bench would be best, at least a few 20 min appearances anyway, see how good he actually is. If Ireland can stay fit for the season I'd like to see him dovetailed in to how we use Ireland tbh. We all know he's good for 60/70 minutes, it'd be good to have Shenton as the person to come with 20 minutes left. They play in the same position and its just a great opportunity to see how good he is. If he really struggles we can easily take him out of the firing line. And lets be honest Charlie Adam hasn't got much of a future here (irrespective of what you think of him) I just can't see him staying beyond the summer. So its a good time to try Shenton.
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Feb 23, 2015 0:21:08 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 23, 2015 0:21:08 GMT
I'd be keen to give him a go. Why not ? He has the talent. Surely giving him an opportunity now will build his confidence for next season?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 0:23:55 GMT
Instead of who? I'm all for giving him game time but I think from the bench would be best, at least a few 20 min appearances anyway, see how good he actually is. If Ireland can stay fit for the season I'd like to see him dovetailed in to how we use Ireland tbh. We all know he's good for 60/70 minutes, it'd be good to have Shenton as the person to come with 20 minutes left. They play in the same position and its just a great opportunity to see how good he is. If he really struggles we can easily take him out of the firing line. And lets be honest Charlie Adam hasn't got much of a future here (irrespective of what you think of him) I just can't see him staying beyond the summer. So its a good time to try Shenton. +1 No reason we can't see him tried in that position when we're a couple up in games, or if it's gone away from us. Especially now there's no Bojan to fill the role.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2015 0:35:34 GMT
Instead of who? I'm all for giving him game time but I think from the bench would be best, at least a few 20 min appearances anyway, see how good he actually is. If Ireland can stay fit for the season I'd like to see him dovetailed in to how we use Ireland tbh. We all know he's good for 60/70 minutes, it'd be good to have Shenton as the person to come with 20 minutes left. They play in the same position and its just a great opportunity to see how good he is. If he really struggles we can easily take him out of the firing line. And lets be honest Charlie Adam hasn't got much of a future here ( irrespective of what you think of him) I just can't see him staying beyond the summer. So its a good time to try Shenton. I think he's shit and should have gone a while ago Agree about Shenton though, don't want to see him chucked in straight off and starting, best to ease him in, tbf it looks like thats what Hughes is doing.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 23, 2015 0:36:55 GMT
Last twenty minutes ( if appropriate, i.e. we are in control of the game), for a few games will ease him in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 23, 2015 0:39:32 GMT
If Ireland can stay fit for the season I'd like to see him dovetailed in to how we use Ireland tbh. We all know he's good for 60/70 minutes, it'd be good to have Shenton as the person to come with 20 minutes left. They play in the same position and its just a great opportunity to see how good he is. If he really struggles we can easily take him out of the firing line. And lets be honest Charlie Adam hasn't got much of a future here ( irrespective of what you think of him) I just can't see him staying beyond the summer. So its a good time to try Shenton. I think he's shit and should have gone a while ago Agree about Shenton though, don't want to see him chucked in straight off and starting, best to ease him in, tbf it looks like thats what Hughes is doing. It was more a general comment for the Momo's of this world who think the sun shines out of his arse. I think they've got to let it go.
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Feb 23, 2015 2:22:23 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Feb 23, 2015 2:22:23 GMT
No, throwing the lad in now could be too much for him. He's got to earn his place in the team not just get handed it on a plate. How do you think Stevie Ireland would feel getting dropped for a kid?
Keep him around the first team, give him the 3/4 mins here and there then loan him out next season.
He needs to develop not be rushed
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2015 6:02:15 GMT
No, throwing the lad in now could be too much for him. He's got to earn his place in the team not just get handed it on a plate. How do you think Stevie Ireland would feel getting dropped for a kid? Keep him around the first team, give him the 3/4 mins here and there then loan him out next season. He needs to develop not be rushed Totally disagree with loaning him out.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 23, 2015 6:28:26 GMT
No, throwing the lad in now could be too much for him. He's got to earn his place in the team not just get handed it on a plate. How do you think Stevie Ireland would feel getting dropped for a kid? Keep him around the first team, give him the 3/4 mins here and there then loan him out next season. He needs to develop not be rushed Totally disagree with loaning him out. Lucky for us we have a modern minded management team who realise that loaning out a player with potential is a thing of the past and offers very little to the development of a player. Loaning out players is now a way of shipping players on.
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Feb 23, 2015 9:18:42 GMT
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Post by wagstand on Feb 23, 2015 9:18:42 GMT
I would loan him out, he needs proper 1st team experience. Don't see how loans are old fashioned or a waste of time. Look at Jordan Ibe, plays half a season on loan in the championship , does well and now he's in Liverpools starting eleven. If Shenton doesn't get games under his belt now he will fall further behind players of his age. Will Hughes is 19 and he has played well over 100 first team games for Derby.
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Post by huddy on Feb 23, 2015 9:23:29 GMT
From the evidence of the warm up the kid has good technique.Is it me or is he a bit small?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 23, 2015 9:24:10 GMT
Ireland tends to fade after about 60/70 minutes so theres a real footballing reason to bring him off the bench.
It looks like Adam's time at Stoke is ending and this is Shentons natural position.
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Feb 23, 2015 9:33:28 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 23, 2015 9:33:28 GMT
Ireland tends to fade after about 60/70 minutes so theres a real footballing reason to bring him off the bench. It looks like Adam's time at Stoke is ending and this is Shentons natural position. This for me
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 23, 2015 10:30:54 GMT
From the evidence of the warm up the kid has good technique.Is it me or is he a bit small? He did look small. Is he 18 yet? I guess he might grow another inch or two and fill out a bit.
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Feb 23, 2015 11:00:14 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2015 11:00:14 GMT
From the evidence of the warm up the kid has good technique.Is it me or is he a bit small? His finishing in the warm up drills was nothing short of superb. As you rightly say, his technique was excellent. Funnily enough, Arnie's finishing in the same drills was hopeless.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2015 11:08:14 GMT
From the evidence of the warm up the kid has good technique.Is it me or is he a bit small? I'm not sure his size is relevant as an attacking midfielder IF he is good enough. Plenty of good attacking midfielders/No 10s have been pretty small. Paul Scholes (5ft 6) is an obvious example as is Bojan (5ft 7). I'd say Shenton is probably going to end up taller than either of them.
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 23, 2015 11:23:09 GMT
More interested in 50 points than developing the youngster then? I'm more interested in 50+ points myself as it places the club in a far stronger position for what could be the biggest Summer in terms of transfers in the clubs recent history, since the days that we were breaking National Transfer records! However, I believe Hughes will, when able to in games, give Shenton quite a few opportunities. A lot more than those he will provide to say Adam or Palacios. Hughes has done well with Youth elsewhere I believe so I trust him to use him in the right way. The fact he has kept him around this year speaks volumes. It is exactly what he needs. Next year perhaps the same or a good loan out until January would do Ollie wonders.
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Feb 23, 2015 11:35:45 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Feb 23, 2015 11:35:45 GMT
Totally disagree with loaning him out. Lucky for us we have a modern minded management team who realise that loaning out a player with potential is a thing of the past and offers very little to the development of a player. Loaning out players is now a way of shipping players on. Hahahahahaha. Modern day management who have over ten players out on loan? Get a grip. Are we trying to ship Butland out? Thankfully Wagstand can see sense, Ibe was going to Ie my example too but here's a couple more for good measure: Beckham, Welbeck, Coquelin, Foster, Townsend, Sturridge. If you think Ollie Shenton is too good to be loaned out because he's a nice lad from Fenton then you're quite simply an idiot! Also, he has simply no chance of displacing Bojan when fit, bumming around in the reserves won't help him develop. Talk about putting too much pressure on a young lads shoulders. I kind of wish this modern day management hadn't thrown him in Edit: Ely I have no problem with people who don't want him going on loan, it's just the idea that loans don't benefit players that I've responded too
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 23, 2015 11:42:41 GMT
Lucky for us we have a modern minded management team who realise that loaning out a player with potential is a thing of the past and offers very little to the development of a player. Loaning out players is now a way of shipping players on. Hahahahahaha. Modern day management who have over ten players out on loan? Get a grip. Are we trying to ship Butland out? Thankfully Wagstand can see sense, Ibe was going to Ie my example too but here's a couple more for good measure: Beckham, Welbeck, Coquelin, Foster, Townsend, Sturridge. If you think Ollie Shenton is too good to be loaned out because he's a nice lad from Fenton then you're quite simply an idiot! Also, he has simply no chance of displacing Bojan when fit, bumming around in the reserves won't help him develop. Talk about putting too much pressure on a young lads shoulders. I kind of wish this modern day management hadn't thrown him in You're spot on...he'll get loaned out next season I reckon and I hope. It made sense to keep him around this year due to his age. A good loan is perfect for him and I wouldn't be disappointed if he went to a good League One team as long as he was used regularly. Modern day management bollocks, we've got one of the best around. Loans are the way forward for ALL Managers...my example is Kane, he has exploded this year and he has had FOUR loan clubs already and he's only 21!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 11:55:17 GMT
I don't agree with the old fashioned 'loan him out for first team experience' line. He can get that experience here in good time by easing him in with some sub appearances and cup games next year. If he's good enough, and the management team seem to think he is, then we need to start getting a glimpse of him next season if not this season.
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Post by unknown182 on Feb 23, 2015 14:08:43 GMT
I don't agree with the old fashioned 'loan him out for first team experience' line. He can get that experience here in good time by easing him in with some sub appearances and cup games next year. If he's good enough, and the management team seem to think he is, then we need to start getting a glimpse of him next season if not this season. I agree. He's better off training with the like of Bojan and N'Zonzi every week and working closely with our own management team. Being shipped out to Barnsley for a few months could be more of a hindrance to his progression if anything.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 23, 2015 14:24:25 GMT
More interested in 50 points than developing the youngster then? No reason it can't be both
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2015 14:42:19 GMT
More interested in 50 points than developing the youngster then? I'm more interested in 50+ points myself as it places the club in a far stronger position for what could be the biggest Summer in terms of transfers in the clubs recent history, since the days that we were breaking National Transfer records!However, I believe Hughes will, when able to in games, give Shenton quite a few opportunities. A lot more than those he will provide to say Adam or Palacios. Hughes has done well with Youth elsewhere I believe so I trust him to use him in the right way. The fact he has kept him around this year speaks volumes. It is exactly what he needs. Next year perhaps the same or a good loan out until January would do Ollie wonders. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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