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Post by Roy Cropper on Feb 12, 2015 16:43:08 GMT
His positioning at times is laughable and people are constantly covering. He was stood near the left wing at one point yesterday moaning for not receiving a pass. I just don't rate him at all, and that's not a recently changed opinion. He is not a full back, he has requested not to be considered for the position. He played there due to our lack of options, and still people slate him, in a game against a multi- million pound team. So because he doesn't want to play there I can't say he's shit at it? He's not good enough to start in his 'preferred' positions. I'm not knocking his character, simply his ability to play RB. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 12, 2015 16:43:47 GMT
I have I entered a parallel universe where that isn't a stonewaller? It IS a stonewaller in what the game has become. I'm not complaining because we get them as well as getting them against us. He hardly touched him but I have to accept that's the way it is now. Most of my heroes as defenders couldn't make a living today. Some might think that's a good thing for football. I think it's shit. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 12, 2015 16:46:38 GMT
I have I entered a parallel universe where that isn't a stonewaller? It IS a stonewaller in what the game has become. I'm not complaining because we get them as well as getting them against us. He hardly touched him but I have to accept that's the way it is now. Most of my heroes as defenders couldn't make a living today. Some might think that's a good thing for football. I think it's shit. He grabs his shoulder. It's a stupid foul, even if he doesn't go down, it's a foul. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 16:46:52 GMT
let's be fair mate....saying you were "Caught out by one of the world's best forwards" implies he couldn't do anything about it because of the skill,artistry and flair involved. the reality is that he was outdone because he didn't even really attempt a tackle and was about as convincing in his challenge as the average 5 year old on a park on a saturday morning. no need to blame the whole performance on him at all but let's face facts; that "Tackle" was fucking pathetic and there was never ANY need for there to be even any debate about a pen, he should have just won the ball there and then. it was poor, no excuses. It was one moment in a game we lost 4-1. yeah i know but i was referring to the post i quoted (obviously...hence the reason i quoted it) i also clearly agreed that there wasn't any need to blame the whole performance on him didn't i? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 12, 2015 16:50:30 GMT
It IS a stonewaller in what the game has become. I'm not complaining because we get them as well as getting them against us. He hardly touched him but I have to accept that's the way it is now. Most of my heroes as defenders couldn't make a living today. Some might think that's a good thing for football. I think it's shit. He grabs his shoulder. It's a stupid foul, even if he doesn't go down, it's a foul. I agree mate. In today's game it's a penalty and I have no gripe with the decision. Still think it's pathetic 'nancy boy' football though. The lunatics really have taken over this particular asylum. It's not a moaning Stoke thing but a moaning football thing. It's even more pathetic when every corner/free kick is an all out wrestling match in the penalty area........madness. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 12, 2015 16:56:49 GMT
He is not a full back, he has requested not to be considered for the position. He played there due to our lack of options, and still people slate him, in a game against a multi- million pound team. So because he doesn't want to play there I can't say he's shit at it? He's not good enough to start in his 'preferred' positions. I'm not knocking his character, simply his ability to play RB. You can say what you like mate, as it is a message board I was merely giving my opinions on what you said. In a 25 man squad, are you suggesting that Stoke can fill every position with players 'good enough to start in his "preferred" position'? Cameron is versatile, and that is why he adds value to the squad. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 12, 2015 17:00:09 GMT
It was one moment in a game we lost 4-1. yeah i know but i was referring to the post i quoted (obviously...hence the reason i quoted it) i also clearly agreed that there wasn't any need to blame the whole performance on him didn't i? Fair enough I was probably skim reading as usual  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 17:02:15 GMT
yeah i know but i was referring to the post i quoted (obviously...hence the reason i quoted it) i also clearly agreed that there wasn't any need to blame the whole performance on him didn't i? Fair enough I was probably skim reading as usual to be fair, as soon as most people see my name up there i'm not surprised if they instantly fall into a coma in anticipation of the bollocks they're about to read  |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 12, 2015 17:09:17 GMT
Fair enough I was probably skim reading as usual to be fair, as soon as most people see my name up there i'm not surprised if they instantly fall into a coma in anticipation of the bollocks they're about to read To be honest, and this is probably more of a reflection on myself, than the content, I really couldn't say. I have never got to the end of one of your posts |
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Post by foster on Feb 12, 2015 17:09:23 GMT
Fair enough I was probably skim reading as usual to be fair, as soon as most people see my name up there i'm not surprised if they instantly fall into a coma in anticipation of the bollocks they're about to read Happened to me a few times mate. I missed half of last season because of you. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Feb 12, 2015 17:21:15 GMT
So because he doesn't want to play there I can't say he's shit at it? He's not good enough to start in his 'preferred' positions. I'm not knocking his character, simply his ability to play RB. You can say what you like mate, as it is a message board I was merely giving my opinions on what you said. In a 25 man squad, are you suggesting that Stoke can fill every position with players 'good enough to start in his "preferred" position'? Cameron is versatile, and that is why he adds value to the squad. I didn't say I didn't want him in the squad, or in the current starting XI, he has to play at the moment we haven't got anyone fit that's better than him. He's still crap though. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 12, 2015 17:21:23 GMT
Cameron ,dear oh dear its like watching a u12 player. Hes an athlete all right ,but a premier league player. Not in my life time,to often the weak link in the team. I agree he didn't have a very good game, but he wasn't any worse than the other three who were all awful as well on the night! An in addition we can name Whelan as well who had a dire game too!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 17:22:50 GMT
to be fair, as soon as most people see my name up there i'm not surprised if they instantly fall into a coma in anticipation of the bollocks they're about to read Happened to me a few times mate. I missed half of last season because of you. the NHS have asked me to write a blog so they can prescribe the reading of it to insomniacs! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 17:30:41 GMT
Geoff does have some very good attributed. Unfortunately defending isn't one of them. I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 17:35:30 GMT
Geoff does have some very good attributed. Unfortunately defending isn't one of them. I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. and the way Wollscheid and GCam thought "Fuck it, let's spread as wide apart as possible so anyone can waltz in between us" for Milner's |
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Post by march4 on Feb 12, 2015 18:04:41 GMT
The mystery of Geoff Cameron is working out his best position.
I think we have all worked out that it certainly isn't in defence.
He works hard, has a great temperament and is an excellent athlete. He has good close control. However, no role on the pitch seems to suit him. A bit of an enigma really.
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Post by penkvillepotter on Feb 12, 2015 18:09:52 GMT
I thought the real negativity last night aside from one was the piss poor crossing.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 12, 2015 19:00:41 GMT
Geoff does have some very good attributed. Unfortunately defending isn't one of them. I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. Is this the one where Muni got outmuscled and Bardsley tried to get back and jockey his man? It was a great finish from a top player. Not entirely sure what Bardsley could have done better. Perhaps we will blame Bego too while we are at it. Come on, mate the defence of Geoff is getting Collins-esque. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 12, 2015 19:03:32 GMT
Geoff does have some very good attributed. Unfortunately defending isn't one of them. I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. They were both shit. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 12, 2015 19:10:46 GMT
I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. They were both shit. I actually thought Bardsley was the only one in our back four (defensively speaking) to come out with any credit. Muni had flashes of skill coming out of defence and Wolly played some decent balls out but defensively we were pretty shambolic. No surprise when half of your first choice defence is missing and a third is carrying a knock and playing on the wrong side of the pitch. |
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Post by hartzchoco on Feb 12, 2015 19:17:37 GMT
I get it. Pick on the Yank. I see how it is.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 12, 2015 19:22:23 GMT
I get it. Pick on the Yank. I see how it is. Being a crap defender isn't intrinsically linked to him being American last time I checked. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 19:22:48 GMT
I liked how Bardsley stood off and allowed the best striker in the league all the freedom in the world to score the opener. Make it easy for your opponent - rule number one in the defenders textbook. Is this the one where Muni got outmuscled and Bardsley tried to get back and jockey his man? It was a great finish from a top player. Not entirely sure what Bardsley could have done better. Perhaps we will blame Bego too while we are at it. Come on, mate the defence of Geoff is getting Collins-esque. Watch it again mate. He could've gone in early to win it when Muniesa went down. He then could've made an attempt at any time to make it difficult for Aguero, instead of continually backing off and doing nothing. |
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Post by werrington on Feb 12, 2015 19:26:30 GMT
Is this the one where Muni got outmuscled and Bardsley tried to get back and jockey his man? It was a great finish from a top player. Not entirely sure what Bardsley could have done better. Perhaps we will blame Bego too while we are at it. Come on, mate the defence of Geoff is getting Collins-esque. Watch it again mate. He could've gone in early to win it when Muniesa went down. He then could've made an attempt at any time to make it difficult for Aguero, instead of continually backing off and doing nothing. Just put Cameron alongside yer other man Whitehead in midfield and everything will be fine Jesus |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 19:43:31 GMT
Watch it again mate. He could've gone in early to win it when Muniesa went down. He then could've made an attempt at any time to make it difficult for Aguero, instead of continually backing off and doing nothing. Just put Cameron alongside yer other man Whitehead in midfield and everything will be fine Jesus He doesn't play for us anymore mate. You'd think a proper fan would know that. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 12, 2015 20:41:54 GMT
I actually thought Bardsley was the only one in our back four (defensively speaking) to come out with any credit. Muni had flashes of skill coming out of defence and Wolly played some decent balls out but defensively we were pretty shambolic. No surprise when half of your first choice defence is missing and a third is carrying a knock and playing on the wrong side of the pitch. I thought Bardsley started well but then after the first goal (which IMO his indecision played a part in) he went to pieces and kept getting caught out. Geoff was also absolutely rotten. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 20:53:29 GMT
Cameron was abysmal and that completly pathetic defending when he give the penalty away should be played across football centres across the world in how NOT to defend. Say all you like about silva going down easy etc etc but cameron had chance before the pirouette to actually twat the ball in the stands! Fucking awful Geoff and I'm still fuming about it
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2015 20:58:49 GMT
Cameron is still the best right back at the club!
How much do you reckon we could get Trippier for?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 12, 2015 20:59:16 GMT
Cameron was abysmal and that completly pathetic defending when he give the penalty away should be played across football centres across the world in how NOT to defend. Say all you like about silva going down easy etc etc but cameron had chance before the pirouette to actually twat the ball in the stands! Fucking awful Geoff and I'm still fuming about it Shawcross is still crying  Good job Smithy wasn't commentating |
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Post by hartzchoco on Feb 12, 2015 21:18:26 GMT
I get it. Pick on the Yank. I see how it is. Being a crap defender isn't intrinsically linked to him being American last time I checked. Wasn't really being too serious there. Guess I should have used a . |
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Good job Smithy wasn't commentating 
