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Post by numpty40 on Feb 8, 2015 19:05:01 GMT
They really are wank at the moment. This is an area that needs a substantial amount of time working on. I don't think we even challenged for a free kick or corner let alone win one. We have become woeful.
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Post by jrstokie on Feb 8, 2015 19:07:30 GMT
I was doing my nut at exactly the same thing. We didn't attack one cross until Crouchie nailed that one at the end. No aggression to be first on the end of anything
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2015 19:08:42 GMT
Has Fonzy ever taken corners for us? I know he's a big lad so is useful in the middle but he's also probably our best player technically who should be able to take a corner. Basically.....Fonzy for corners!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 8, 2015 19:13:10 GMT
All throughout the game I was thinking this. Just how many corners and free kicks did we have, without ever threatening. Yet West Brom do nothing and score from their two corners. Bad example I know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 19:14:51 GMT
They really are wank at the moment. This is an area that needs a substantial amount of time working on. I don't think we even challenged for a free kick or corner let alone win one. We have become woeful. You should have left off 'at the moment' They've been wank for a long time
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 8, 2015 19:17:41 GMT
There doesn't seem to be any thought going into them, it just seems like hit and hope.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 9, 2015 12:45:05 GMT
Dunner start me on corners.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Feb 9, 2015 12:57:53 GMT
It's been poor ever since Hughes took over.
I suppose the question here, and i have no idea of the answer, how much is enough?
We clearly aren't putting as much work in to set pieces because we are working on other things instead, under Pulis it was widely noted that we would work on set pieces exhaustively, the results are there for all to see in terms of the end product from free kicks and corner.
But you could just as easily suggest that the quality of our general play has improved because we are spending much more time on that, on touch, on movement, etc. instead of set pieces. There is clearly a balance to be found.
We do seem to have regressed to a point which is ridiculous at the minute, we look a shambles at corners, no co-ordination at all in our runs or delivery.
If we could be even half as potent from set pieces as we were under TP while retaining the improvement in open play, then we really would be an exciting proposition.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 9, 2015 12:59:19 GMT
Dunner start me on corners. I agree Joe! Why have they gone all lofty and slow and hung right out to come back in at the back post (beyond the back post) We should trial some of swingers "Drilled" in instead of "Floated"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 12:59:45 GMT
We are poor at defending set pieces and at attacking our own, we are defo missing something.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 9, 2015 13:00:46 GMT
It's been poor ever since Hughes took over. I suppose the question here, and i have no idea of the answer, how much is enough? We clearly aren't putting as much work in to set pieces because we are working on other things instead, under Pulis it was widely noted that we would work on set pieces exhaustively, the results are there for all to see in terms of the end product from free kicks and corner. But you could just as easily suggest that the quality of our general play has improved because we are spending much more time on that, on touch, on movement, etc. instead of set pieces. There is clearly a balance to be found. We do seem to have regressed to a point which is ridiculous at the minute, we look a shambles at corners, no co-ordination at all in our runs or delivery. If we could be even half as potent from set pieces as we were under TP while retaining the improvement in open play, then we really would be an exciting proposition. The last two seasons under Tone were just as shit as they are now. In fact it pissed me off each time we got a corner and the commentator would say how dangerous we were. Lazy stereotyping because we were crap at them and still are. Although the one v the shit was very well worked.
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Post by yerwot on Feb 9, 2015 13:01:35 GMT
How many corners have no chance of being attacked? Just feels like half of them don't get past the first defender or go so far that the defender at far corner of penalty area has chance to attack us. And not just at the Brit where the wind can affect them
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 9, 2015 13:03:07 GMT
Dunner start me on corners. I agree Joe! Why have they gone all lofty and slow and hung right out to come back in at the back post (beyond the back post) We should trial some of swingers "Drilled" in instead of "Floated" I was screaming the exact same thing at the TV yesterday, a floated corner is a piece of piss to defend, It can't be difficult to drill a corner in.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Feb 9, 2015 13:09:49 GMT
It's been poor ever since Hughes took over. I suppose the question here, and i have no idea of the answer, how much is enough? We clearly aren't putting as much work in to set pieces because we are working on other things instead, under Pulis it was widely noted that we would work on set pieces exhaustively, the results are there for all to see in terms of the end product from free kicks and corner. But you could just as easily suggest that the quality of our general play has improved because we are spending much more time on that, on touch, on movement, etc. instead of set pieces. There is clearly a balance to be found. We do seem to have regressed to a point which is ridiculous at the minute, we look a shambles at corners, no co-ordination at all in our runs or delivery. If we could be even half as potent from set pieces as we were under TP while retaining the improvement in open play, then we really would be an exciting proposition. The last two seasons under Tone were just as shit as they are now. In fact it pissed me off each time we got a corner and the commentator would say how dangerous we were. Lazy stereotyping because we were crap at them and still are. Although the one v the shit was very well worked. They weren't great, but we were still scoring a hefty percentage of our goals from set pieces despite never really looking as threatening as we once had.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 9, 2015 13:19:24 GMT
All throughout the game I was thinking this. Just how many corners and free kicks did we have, without ever threatening. Yet West Brom do nothing and score from their two corners. Bad example I know. It's not a bad example, it's a perfect illustration of the difference. If you look at the movement in the box for those two WBA goals, every player knows exactly what he's doing - some are peeling off from the front stick to the back, some are sprinting across the line, some are dragging defenders (sometimes literally) away from those attacking the ball - just like we used to. So hard to defend. Our current tactic seems to be just whipping a ball in and hoping someone gets something on it (on the odd occasions it isn't wildly overhit in the first place).
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Post by reddipotter on Feb 9, 2015 13:39:28 GMT
So training time is not taken on set piece drills, either defensively or offensively. So what is done? Certainly, we do more passing in our own half, but we produce few passing movements in attack. We rely on individual skill or one occasional good ball (eg. Cameron's cross). Does anyone else find our style increasingly slow and dull?
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 9, 2015 13:43:18 GMT
So training time is not taken on set piece drills, either defensively or offensively. So what is done? Certainly, we do more passing in our own half, but we produce few passing movements in attack. We rely on individual skill or one occasional good ball (eg. Cameron's cross). Does anyone else find our style increasingly slow and dull? I certainly don't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2015 15:05:37 GMT
All throughout the game I was thinking this. Just how many corners and free kicks did we have, without ever threatening. Yet West Brom do nothing and score from their two corners. Bad example I know. It's not a bad example, it's a perfect illustration of the difference. If you look at the movement in the box for those two WBA goals, every player knows exactly what he's doing - some are peeling off from the front stick to the back, some are sprinting across the line, some are dragging defenders (sometimes literally) away from those attacking the ball - just like we used to. So hard to defend. Our current tactic seems to be just whipping a ball in and hoping someone gets something on it (on the odd occasions it isn't wildly overhit in the first place). It is but that's the only thing they do in training, there's got to be some happy medium somewhere.
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Post by thestatusquo on Feb 9, 2015 15:10:18 GMT
It's not a bad example, it's a perfect illustration of the difference. If you look at the movement in the box for those two WBA goals, every player knows exactly what he's doing - some are peeling off from the front stick to the back, some are sprinting across the line, some are dragging defenders (sometimes literally) away from those attacking the ball - just like we used to. So hard to defend. Our current tactic seems to be just whipping a ball in and hoping someone gets something on it (on the odd occasions it isn't wildly overhit in the first place). It is but that's the only thing they do in training, there's got to be some happy medium somewhere. She here
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Post by metalhead on Feb 9, 2015 15:25:45 GMT
I still don't get why Moses takes corners. Great player no doubt but I reckon he puts one decent corner into the box and four or five that are first man, over hit, too close to the keeper etc... and that's per game.
In a lot of ways, I'd happily see Glenn take corners again. They were no worse.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 9, 2015 15:29:39 GMT
It's not a bad example, it's a perfect illustration of the difference. If you look at the movement in the box for those two WBA goals, every player knows exactly what he's doing - some are peeling off from the front stick to the back, some are sprinting across the line, some are dragging defenders (sometimes literally) away from those attacking the ball - just like we used to. So hard to defend. Our current tactic seems to be just whipping a ball in and hoping someone gets something on it (on the odd occasions it isn't wildly overhit in the first place). It is but that's the only thing they do in training, there's got to be some happy medium somewhere. Quite agree. Can't have everything but some semblance of planning and variety on set pieces would be nice.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 9, 2015 15:57:29 GMT
All throughout the game I was thinking this. Just how many corners and free kicks did we have, without ever threatening. Yet West Brom do nothing and score from their two corners. Bad example I know. It's not a bad example, it's a perfect illustration of the difference. If you look at the movement in the box for those two WBA goals, every player knows exactly what he's doing - some are peeling off from the front stick to the back, some are sprinting across the line, some are dragging defenders (sometimes literally) away from those attacking the ball - just like we used to. So hard to defend. Our current tactic seems to be just whipping a ball in and hoping someone gets something on it (on the odd occasions it isn't wildly overhit in the first place). Ha. Forgot the winkie. I just didn't want this turning into another Pulis debate.
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