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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 9:00:04 GMT
4 down already. Send them home now, it's like we're playing a different sport to the like of Australia and New Zealand...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 9:31:56 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 14, 2015 9:42:22 GMT
Trying to think of the words that describe England at ODIs,that sounds worse than absolute fucking garbage.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2015 12:07:34 GMT
Trying to think of the words that describe England at ODIs,that sounds worse than absolute fucking garbage. Ok - England are way off Australia. But they ain't absolute garbage. In fact I think, if they sort out a couple of obvious issues, they could expect to compete with most of the sides at the tournament. The biggest obvious issue is the death bowling; short pitched bowling, slow or quick, doesn't work. So stop doing it! Woakes did well today until his final two overs. Anderson's last over was bizarre. Short balls went for 4, full balls went for, at most, a single. Finn the same, only he got wickets with his full length deliveries. Second, and more contentious, play your best team; then pick your captain. We laboured under Cook, now Morgan is suffering from the same malaise. His brain seems as frazzled as Cook's was at the end of the Sri Lanka series. Today was a tough test, and we failed it. Fair enough. It's what we do in the next games that matter. And we can do much better!
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 14, 2015 12:09:47 GMT
Kp should be there!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:22:19 GMT
But he isn't .......and that's largely down to himself and nobody else ....that water has flown very far down the river now and everybody has moved on from it ......apart from KP.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 14, 2015 12:28:10 GMT
But he isn't .......and that's largely down to himself and nobody else ....that water has flown very far down the river now and everybody has moved on from it ......apart from KP. And apart from the majority of England fans that realise he is still the best player we have.? I agree. As for largely being for himself as the reason he's not there I won't agree with. Scapegoat comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:46:04 GMT
Trying to think of the words that describe England at ODIs,that sounds worse than absolute fucking garbage. Ok - England are way off Australia. But they ain't absolute garbage. In fact I think, if they sort out a couple of obvious issues, they could expect to compete with most of the sides at the tournament. The biggest obvious issue is the death bowling; short pitched bowling, slow or quick, doesn't work. So stop doing it! Woakes did well today until his final two overs. Anderson's last over was bizarre. Short balls went for 4, full balls went for, at most, a single. Finn the same, only he got wickets with his full length deliveries. Second, and more contentious, play your best team; then pick your captain. We laboured under Cook, now Morgan is suffering from the same malaise. His brain seems as frazzled as Cook's was at the end of the Sri Lanka series. Today was a tough test, and we failed it. Fair enough. It's what we do in the next games that matter. And we can do much better! I was always at points to make out that England's poor showing in ODI Cricket was more deeply rooted than Alistair Cook's form and Captaincy , I was dubious about replacing him with Morgan as his form was probably worse than Cook's over the past year or so ( not withstanding that marvelous hundred he made a few weeks ago ) and it was always going to have some effect on his Captaincy at some point .His efforts with the bat in recent games tell the story 0,2,0,0 and 0, Cook was in positively sparkling form in comparison with those stats. ( I jest of course , and I do feel for him ) Still , there have been some good points so far , Taylor's continuing improvement is the one most to take heart from , he's an impressive young man with a bat in his hand , Woakes has improved steadily with the ball and somewhat with the bat , Broad appears on the way to becoming more of his old self and Finn's gradual rehabilitation seems to be going ok.......still plenty of work to do though , we can compete with most when we turn up for games , but unforunatey this is about one game in every four or five at present....we need to find that bit of consistency more often ....we keep hoping as ever !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 14, 2015 12:48:35 GMT
Abject, utterly abject. Had them on the ropes lost the thread, brought it back again with 2 quick wickets and then proceeded to bowl some absolute filth for ten overs. We made Mitchell bloody Marsh look like Spofforth. We look destined to be the also rans again, I reckon a 10 wicket defeat/100 run loss in the quarter final. No pleasure in saying that either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:01:22 GMT
But he isn't .......and that's largely down to himself and nobody else ....that water has flown very far down the river now and everybody has moved on from it ......apart from KP. And apart from the majority of England fans that realise he is still the best player we have.? I agree. As for largely being for himself as the reason he's not there I won't agree with. Scapegoat comes to mind. Yes , as he constantly reminds anybody who cares to listen.......we have only have his word for that....his batting ability has never been in doubt , his failings appear to have been in other departments of which will become clearer probably when others are out of contract and are able to write their "books" telling their version of events ....for the management to take such an unprecedented course of action in sacking the man in the way that they did tells me that something was very wrong , it's unheard of for a player to be told that he will never represent England again . What I do agree with is that the way in which they instigated his sacking was poor and could have been handeled better and to close the door on him forever is perhaps a little shortsighted ....who knows about the future when a change in Captain and management occurs , the new incumbents may feel differently about him , but by then I think it would be too late for him any way .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:05:51 GMT
Abject, utterly abject. Had them on the ropes lost the thread, brought it back again with 2 quick wickets and then proceeded to bowl some absolute filth for ten overs. We made Mitchell bloody Marsh look like Spofforth. We look destined to be the also rans again, I reckon a 10 wicket defeat/100 run loss in the quarter final. No pleasure in saying that either. You remember Fred Spofforth mate ? .....that tops anything I can remember ! You must be older than me ?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 14, 2015 13:09:23 GMT
Abject, utterly abject. Had them on the ropes lost the thread, brought it back again with 2 quick wickets and then proceeded to bowl some absolute filth for ten overs. We made Mitchell bloody Marsh look like Spofforth. We look destined to be the also rans again, I reckon a 10 wicket defeat/100 run loss in the quarter final. No pleasure in saying that either. You remember Fred Spofforth mate ? .....that tops anything I can remember ! You must be older than me ? I think I aged about 200 years during those last 10 overs!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:34:38 GMT
You remember Fred Spofforth mate ? .....that tops anything I can remember ! You must be older than me ? I think I aged about 200 years during those last 10 overs! I can't believe you aren't immune to it all after all this time mate It's a case of being on auto-pilot with me where England are concerned , I just turn the TV without thinking these days .
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 14, 2015 14:52:01 GMT
Ok - England are way off Australia. But they ain't absolute garbage. In fact I think, if they sort out a couple of obvious issues, they could expect to compete with most of the sides at the tournament. The biggest obvious issue is the death bowling; short pitched bowling, slow or quick, doesn't work. So stop doing it! Woakes did well today until his final two overs. Anderson's last over was bizarre. Short balls went for 4, full balls went for, at most, a single. Finn the same, only he got wickets with his full length deliveries. Second, and more contentious, play your best team; then pick your captain. We laboured under Cook, now Morgan is suffering from the same malaise. His brain seems as frazzled as Cook's was at the end of the Sri Lanka series. Today was a tough test, and we failed it. Fair enough. It's what we do in the next games that matter. And we can do much better! I was always at points to make out that England's poor showing in ODI Cricket was more deeply rooted than Alistair Cook's form and Captaincy , I was dubious about replacing him with Morgan as his form was probably worse than Cook's over the past year or so ( not withstanding that marvelous hundred he made a few weeks ago ) and it was always going to have some effect on his Captaincy at some point .His efforts with the bat in recent games tell the story 0,2,0,0 and 0, Cook was in positively sparkling form in comparison with those stats. ( I jest of course , and I do feel for him ) Still , there have been some good points so far , Taylor's continuing improvement is the one most to take heart from , he's an impressive young man with a bat in his hand , Woakes has improved steadily with the ball and somewhat with the bat , Broad appears on the way to becoming more of his old self and Finn's gradual rehabilitation seems to be going ok.......still plenty of work to do though , we can compete with most when we turn up for games , but unforunatey this is about one game in every four or five at present....we need to find that bit of consistency more often ....we keep hoping as ever ! The "issue" now of Morgan is the same as with Cook; picking a player regardless of performance (or in the case of Cook, I would argue, capability; as an ODI opening bat). So previously in a sri Lanka we had three senior players performing poorly; Cook doing nothing of substance at the top of the order, Bell producing beautiful inconsequential cameos of 30 odd and Morgan unable to get any score. I guess you could add to that Bopara chipping in with scores when games are lost. Getting shot of Cook therefore removed just one problem. The lesson has to be "have courage in selection". They've done that by dropping Bopara for Ballance. Still leaves a non firing Morgan and a frustrating Bell; today was classic Bell! But the problem is, of course, the replacements are undercooked! Mind you, a Taylor came in cold and hs delivered. As to the bowling. Seems very simple to me. Stop the over bowling of short stuff in the final ten overs.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 14, 2015 20:10:38 GMT
Mind boggling viewing figures being estimated for Pakistan v India, over 1 billion. "Minority sport"
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Feb 14, 2015 22:29:55 GMT
India v Pakistan game sold out in 20 minutes.
It ll be close to a ground record today, over 50,000.
Over the last week,thousands of Indians and Pakistanis have flown into town and it should be a brilliant atmosphere.
I m leaving for the game in a couple of hours,it ll be a great experience ,hopefully a great game.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 15, 2015 12:41:19 GMT
2nd day over, 4 games completed and some striking similarities across each game; the side batting first won comprehensively, they all posted scores of 300+, the team batting second scored 200+.
Suggests to me that the better teams in this tournament can be confident about posting scores over 300. Sadly, England only seem to mange that very occasionally. I suspect that is why we put Australia into bat yesterday, because we were concerned about posting a winning total and hoped our bowling might be able to keep our opponents to a score of 260ish.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 15, 2015 21:26:59 GMT
Ireland to beat the windies @ 4/1
Worth a little nibble at that price in my eyes
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2015 21:56:03 GMT
Ireland to beat the windies @ 4/1 Worth a little nibble at that price in my eyes Very realistic chance of a shock here in my opinion. West Indies look hopeless and I really feel for young Jason Holder, senior players letting him down time and time again.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2015 22:37:26 GMT
Jesus, what has become of the West Indies in the past two decades?
Their first opener slogs one straight to deep mid on before Bravo and Gayle combine to create a senseless run out, Ireland well in this.
31-2
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2015 23:26:37 GMT
Official: There may be a worse top 8 team than England at the World Cup.
WI 78-4 with Gayle and Samuels both gone.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 16, 2015 0:09:28 GMT
Official: There may be a worse top 8 team than England at the World Cup. WI 78-4 with Gayle and Samuels both gone. For someone brought up an all dominant windies team, where they're now is very sad. England maybe poor, but we're light years ahead of the West Indies at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:20:47 GMT
Official: There may be a worse top 8 team than England at the World Cup. WI 78-4 with Gayle and Samuels both gone. For someone brought up an all dominant windies team, where they're now is very sad. England maybe poor, but we're light years ahead of the West Indies at the moment. That's exactly right .....however poor England have been at times over the years ( and we have been poor )....we have never reached the depths that the West Indies have reached over the last few years .....it would be quite easy to gloat when you consider the hammerings we suffered at their hands over 15 year period ....but not from me , I find it a very sad state of affairs .....the game of cricket is much poorer without strong West Indian team .....sadly I'm not sure that they will ever be the force of old again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:24:04 GMT
Accept my apologies for the quality of the above post ....lots of errors not of my making ....very odd ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:27:10 GMT
Well at least these two have pulled it around a little .....80 odd for 5 was looking ominous wasn't it ? As the commentators have just remarked , what a lovely cricket ground this is .
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 16, 2015 0:29:13 GMT
For someone brought up an all dominant windies team, where they're now is very sad. England maybe poor, but we're light years ahead of the West Indies at the moment. That's exactly right .....however poor England have been at times over the years ( and we have been poor )....we have never reached the depths that the West Indies have reached over the last few years .....it would be quite easy to gloat when you consider the hammerings we suffered at their hands over 15 year period ....but not from me , I find it a very sad state of affairs .....the game of cricket is much poorer without strong West Indian team .....sadly I'm not sure that they will ever be the force of old again Absolutely. Cricket is best with stronger sides. Competitive cricket is wonderful, but you couldn't see us having a 4 or 5 match test series against the West Indies now - it would be pretty boring.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 16, 2015 0:31:41 GMT
Well at least these two have pulled it around a little .....80 odd for 5 was looking ominous wasn't it ? As the commentators have just remarked , what a lovely cricket ground this is . Yep, they're making a bit of a game of it now. But if they turn up like this against any half decent Test side they'll be slaughtered (like they were against us in the warm up match).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:36:35 GMT
That's exactly right .....however poor England have been at times over the years ( and we have been poor )....we have never reached the depths that the West Indies have reached over the last few years .....it would be quite easy to gloat when you consider the hammerings we suffered at their hands over 15 year period ....but not from me , I find it a very sad state of affairs .....the game of cricket is much poorer without strong West Indian team .....sadly I'm not sure that they will ever be the force of old again Absolutely. Cricket is best with stronger sides. Competitive cricket is wonderful, but you couldn't see us having a 4 or 5 match test series against the West Indies now - it would be pretty boring. Yes that's right .....it's only a three match series in the spring isn't it ? I think the days of a full series against them have gone ......Extremely sad for me .....I think the Allen Stanford thing has had an extremely knock on effect for West Indies Cricket ....more than anybody realised
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:38:03 GMT
Well at least these two have pulled it around a little .....80 odd for 5 was looking ominous wasn't it ? As the commentators have just remarked , what a lovely cricket ground this is . Yep, they're making a bit of a game of it now. But if they turn up like this against any half decent Test side they'll be slaughtered (like they were against us in the warm up match). Yes they will .....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:40:14 GMT
What they would give for a half of a limping Gordon Greenidge these days !
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