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Post by Davef on Jan 27, 2015 8:24:50 GMT
Arnie played well last night. This game by game in depth micro-analysis of everything he does though is getting tedious.
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Jan 27, 2015 8:32:47 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 27, 2015 8:32:47 GMT
Totally agree with upthefud.
Arnie had a decent game but nothing more. Got an assist and put a good free-kick into the box.
Moses was MOTM for that second half performance. Sidwell also helped change the game for us.
Arnie was 4th or 5th best player for us last night
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Jan 27, 2015 8:32:55 GMT
Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2015 8:32:55 GMT
...the difference is, that he delivers more crosse to the middle. He can play both sides, but on the left wing he recently turned to often to the middle...on the right he can better fullfill his "winger obligations". He did that also in first half yesterday, when Moses and Walters were completely out of the game. Both had a marvellous second half.....good game, professional appearance from all the 15 guys who have played. Look at the results and the games in detail....from all PL Clubs we had the most powerful run-out in the FA Cup. With Arni on the right and Moses on the left wing we will have much fun and success in the next months. The comments from upthefud or the other user who blamed his attitude for the performance yesterday (which was good) are I've not mentioned his on the pitch attitude. I just think he was completely anonymous in the game, and to give him praise as a winger for putting in a simple square ball to an unmarked player is clutching at straws. The fact we have more people praising Arnie than Moses has deeply confused me I don´t praise Arnie more than Moses....even less for this season. I think the last 2 games proved, that we have real weapons with both of them. Arni has shown constantly solid performance since the Everton game!!!! (except the Arsenal game, where the whole team was shite over 90 minutes) and you want to sell him now???? "Not a patch on our other winger"???...if Arni is still allowed to play on the right wing, he soon has delivered more crosses than Walters in 3 seasons!!! I don´t want to blame Walters, he plays a good season and is important for the team....but i think, with the winger qualities of Arni, his pace, his strength body and defensive workrate he is the better option on the right wing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 8:44:10 GMT
Arnie played well last night. This game by game in depth micro-analysis of everything he does though is getting tedious. I did the micro analysis last night. I watched him rather than the game as a whole , solely concentrating on his contribution. Sad perhaps , but it is something that I find gives you a different perspective on particular players . His overall performance was poor . His passing was dreadful , his shooting the same , but he did try to track back and worked hard. In my opinion , there is much better out there...Moses or Assaidi were both better crossers.
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Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2015 8:57:37 GMT
Arnie played well last night. This game by game in depth micro-analysis of everything he does though is getting tedious. I did the micro analysis last night. I watched him rather than the game as a whole , solely concentrating on his contribution. Sad perhaps , but it is something that I find gives you a different perspective on particular players . His overall performance was poor . His passing was dreadful , his shooting the same , but he did try to track back and worked hard. In my opinion , there is much better out there... Moses or Assaidi were both better crossers. ...what a joke. Did you see the ManU game. Only in this game he produced more dangerous dangerous crosses than Assaidi in his career.
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Jan 27, 2015 9:04:40 GMT
Post by apb1 on Jan 27, 2015 9:04:40 GMT
We were collectively a bit shit first half, other than Sir Bojan's goal. Then we collectively upped it second half, got in first to tackles, pushed them back, and killed them off.
Worried about Nzonzi who seems to be carrying an injury
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jan 27, 2015 9:13:47 GMT
Having been to the game, you could see he was dead on his feet when he came over to the fans at the end. Moses rarely ever tracked back or put in a shift whatsoever and only made two real contributions all match, the rest he was pretty shit and looked like he wasn't arsed while Arnie didn't stop running at defenders and getting in behind all game.
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Jan 27, 2015 9:24:19 GMT
Post by jstoke7 on Jan 27, 2015 9:24:19 GMT
Moses just hit the ball low and hard across the box, I fail to see how that is a brilliant assist. Arnie's was measured and right into Walters' stride, how many times do you see Premiership players make a hash of those types of situations; a lot!
I can't see how you can love Moses and hate Arnie, Moses seems to get an extremely easy ride, he works no where near as hard, has less end product IMO (for the opportunities he makes for himself) and runs into blind alleys, yet he is lauded on here. Baffles me.
EDIT: This is not to say I think Moses is shit, I think he's great for us.
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Jan 27, 2015 11:20:59 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 27, 2015 11:20:59 GMT
Moses just hit the ball low and hard across the box, I fail to see how that is a brilliant assist. Arnie's was measured and right into Walters' stride, how many times do you see Premiership players make a hash of those types of situations; a lot! I can't see how you can love Moses and hate Arnie, Moses seems to get an extremely easy ride, he works no where near as hard, has less end product IMO (for the opportunities he makes for himself) and runs into blind alleys, yet he is lauded on here. Baffles me. EDIT: This is not to say I think Moses is shit, I think he's great for us. Less end product? How does Moses assist and goals tally compare to Arnie's? For his assist he beat his man took it to the byline and cut it back into the perfect area. Arnie ran onto a ball and under no pressure squared it to an unmarked team mate
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Jan 27, 2015 11:49:11 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2015 11:49:11 GMT
Please, please stop feeding the troll.
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Jan 27, 2015 11:50:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2015 11:50:13 GMT
Shite for 60 minutes, good for 30.
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Jan 27, 2015 11:56:03 GMT
Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2015 11:56:03 GMT
I thought Arnie was good on the whole. Still don't like when he throws his arms up but nothing to worry about. Decent performance.
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Jan 27, 2015 12:12:37 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 27, 2015 12:12:37 GMT
Please, please stop feeding the troll. Loads of "trolls" on here have the same opinion as me. I forgot you were the thought police, won't happen again oh wise one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 12:12:45 GMT
He's an enigma, is Arnie.
His body language doesn't always equate to his actual output or effort. A couple of times last night he had his "head down, shoulders slumped" posture on show, yet he actually worked incredibly hard, both in getting forward and tracking back. If you were to judge him on his stance or mannerisms then you could easily be fooled into thinking he doesn't care, but the opposite is true.
I think he is more disciplined and covers more ground than Moses, for example.
Great to see him keep going 'til the very end last night and get an assist for his hard work.
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Jan 27, 2015 12:17:42 GMT
Post by mrred on Jan 27, 2015 12:17:42 GMT
I've been a big critic of him, but his attitude was spot on, also noted him doing his defensive work which was nice to see. And if that cross at the end was from Rooney, the media would have been spoodging over it still.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 12:27:42 GMT
Warrington. Are you still living in Appleton?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 27, 2015 12:44:18 GMT
MoM for Arnie is preposterous.
OK, he did get his arse in gear for a slug of the second half and it was a decent cross but you'd really need to see the better Arnie of the last 20/30 mins, not the sulky, slouchy, "oh woe is me, the footballing gods are against me" Arnie of the first 70/60.
And anyone one saying he worked hard, yes he did in patches but just take a look at SJW's calorie burn - absolutely outstanding.
I like Arnie and like everyone, want him to get right back to his best but I just didn't see anything more than glimpses last night.
Opinions eh?
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Jan 27, 2015 12:50:49 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 27, 2015 12:50:49 GMT
He's an enigma, is Arnie. His body language doesn't always equate to his actual output or effort. A couple of times last time he had his "head down, shoulders slumped" posture on show, yet he actually worked incredibly hard, both in getting forward and tracking back. If you were to judge him on his stance or mannerisms then you could easily be fooled into thinking he doesn't care, but the opposite is true. I think he is more disciplined and covers more ground than Moses, for example. Great to see him keep going 'til the very end last night and get an assist for his hard work. This is exactly right. His appalling body language and histrionics actually conceal, for those that refuse to see, just how hard he works in that wide position. I didn't think any of our front 3 had particularly good games last night (Walters barely did a thing right and both Arnie and Moses struggled to get any meaningful quality in their play) yet all 3 made telling contributions to the game and the result. Moses is easing his way back in after injury, clearly and Arnie, despite things often not happening for him, worked is bollocks off helping Bardsley who had a particularly torrid first half. There is little wrong with Arnie's attitude or effort but I accept that his body language often does him no favours.
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Jan 27, 2015 13:56:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 13:56:25 GMT
to be 100% honest, i'm impressed with his on the pitch attitude and his workrate is superb whether he's hitting his own high standards or not but regardless of how many balls he crossed last night it is a simple fact that (whether you like him or not...just being honest) most of them were poor balls.
his assist was far better than upthefud gives him credit for agreed but if he is to consistently be out on the wing then his crossing simply HAS to get better. far too often he takes it towards the byline then squares it across the box along the floor straight to the first man and he did this 3 or 4 times last night. not by any means slagging off his overall performance or contribution last night as he did well overall but his final ball has GOT to get better. there's very little point in him gaining 30 yards of territory simply to give it straight back to them and that's the area of his game he needs to concentrate on as well as his shooting which isn't up to scratch at all.
all in all, far from terrible last night (and anyone who says he was needs to give their head a wobble) but equally far from being MOTM...some people just let their own, personal Oatcake agendas completely cloud their judgment and go to extremes when it comes to Arnie. the fact is that he was decent last night...not shit, not wonderful just decent.
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Jan 27, 2015 14:08:54 GMT
Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2015 14:08:54 GMT
to be 100% honest, i'm impressed with his on the pitch attitude and his workrate is superb whether he's hitting his own high standards or not but regardless of how many balls he crossed last night it is a simple fact that (whether you like him or not...just being honest) most of them were poor balls. his assist was far better than upthefud gives him credit for agreed but if he is to consistently be out on the wing then his crossing simply HAS to get better. far too often he takes it towards the byline then squares it across the box along the floor straight to the first man and he did this 3 or 4 times last night. not by any means slagging off his overall performance or contribution last night as he did well overall but his final ball has GOT to get better. there's very little point in him gaining 30 yards of territory simply to give it straight back to them and that's the area of his game he needs to concentrate on as well as his shooting which isn't up to scratch at all. all in all, far from terrible last night (and anyone who says he was needs to give their head a wobble) but equally far from being MOTM...some people just let their own, personal Oatcake agendas completely cloud their judgment and go to extremes when it comes to Arnie. the fact is that he was decent last night...not shit, not wonderful just decent. That´s a general problem Arni has in his game.....but what about the 12 superb final balls against ManU??? First of all it´s important, that he passes those balls into the middle anyway, as he did yesterday (as you wrote). I see growing his confidence every week, sprinting the line downwards and try to cross....think, he does that more often than Assaidi or Walters usually do on the right side. If Hughes trust him furthermore, it´s no doubt for me that Arni has at the end of the season the most assists of Stoke on his account.
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Jan 27, 2015 14:12:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 14:12:44 GMT
to be 100% honest, i'm impressed with his on the pitch attitude and his workrate is superb whether he's hitting his own high standards or not but regardless of how many balls he crossed last night it is a simple fact that (whether you like him or not...just being honest) most of them were poor balls. his assist was far better than upthefud gives him credit for agreed but if he is to consistently be out on the wing then his crossing simply HAS to get better. far too often he takes it towards the byline then squares it across the box along the floor straight to the first man and he did this 3 or 4 times last night. not by any means slagging off his overall performance or contribution last night as he did well overall but his final ball has GOT to get better. there's very little point in him gaining 30 yards of territory simply to give it straight back to them and that's the area of his game he needs to concentrate on as well as his shooting which isn't up to scratch at all. all in all, far from terrible last night (and anyone who says he was needs to give their head a wobble) but equally far from being MOTM...some people just let their own, personal Oatcake agendas completely cloud their judgment and go to extremes when it comes to Arnie. the fact is that he was decent last night...not shit, not wonderful just decent. That´s a general problem Arni has in his game.....but what about the 12 superb final balls against ManU??? First of all it´s important, that he passes those balls into the middle anyway, as he did yesterday (as you wrote). I see growing his confidence every week, sprinting the line downwards and try to cross....think, he does that more often than Assaidi or Walters usually do on the right side. If Hughes trust him furthermore, it´s no doubt for me that Arni has at the end of the season the most assists of Stoke on his account. yeah i agree....rather than saying his final ball has to get better i'd have been more accurate to say the quality of his final ball has to be more consistent to play on the wing. like you say, he can put great crosses in but then frustrates by putting 4 in a row straight to the feet of the first defender. if he sorts that then we'll be close to getting the old Arnie back that we saw second half of last year.
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Jan 27, 2015 14:25:53 GMT
Post by kbillyh on Jan 27, 2015 14:25:53 GMT
He makes me smile does Arnie.......Most of the time he looks like a moody toddler being dragged around the shoe shops, every time he fucks up it's like the whole world is against him. Then every now and again he produces a bit of trickery that works and we get a result from it.
Then there's the crafty way he "hangs back" from the other players at the end of the game so he can be the last to get the applause with the Arnie, Arnie chant............Pure comedy, love watching him.
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Jan 27, 2015 14:31:35 GMT
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jan 27, 2015 14:31:35 GMT
Warrington. Are you still living in Appleton? Think you're thinking of a different person mate, I'm from Latchford
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Jan 27, 2015 15:29:51 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jan 27, 2015 15:29:51 GMT
Reflecting on last night's performance, I think it was one of his best. I guess we will just have to get used to his dreadful body language, which reminds me at times of a 9 year old spoilt brat. His crossing still was wayward at times but I'm sure it'll get better with practice/confidence etc. More importantly we need a player, who can be guaranteed to get into position to be able to score and who knows where the goal is.
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Jan 27, 2015 15:33:14 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2015 15:33:14 GMT
It was Arnie's lovely through ball that got Bojan injured.
Wanker.
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Jan 27, 2015 15:48:35 GMT
Post by upthefud on Jan 27, 2015 15:48:35 GMT
Reflecting on last night's performance, I think it was one of his best. I guess we will just have to get used to his dreadful body language, which reminds me at times of a 9 year old spoilt brat. His crossing still was wayward at times but I'm sure it'll get better with practice/confidence etc. More importantly we need a player, who can be guaranteed to get into position to be able to score and who knows where the goal is. Being a winger we can't just accept wayward delivery though. A wingers forte is beating players and delivering decent crosses. He doesn't score goals! How can you say he knows where saying the goal is? It's kind of like saying Shotton or Darel Russell knew where the goal was. He was ok yesterday, not shocking, not great. Not deserving of a three page praise thread
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Jan 27, 2015 16:15:44 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jan 27, 2015 16:15:44 GMT
Reflecting on last night's performance, I think it was one of his best. I guess we will just have to get used to his dreadful body language, which reminds me at times of a 9 year old spoilt brat. His crossing still was wayward at times but I'm sure it'll get better with practice/confidence etc. More importantly we need a player, who can be guaranteed to get into position to be able to score and who knows where the goal is. Being a winger we can't just accept wayward delivery though. A wingers forte is beating players and delivering decent crosses. He doesn't score goals! How can you say he knows where saying the goal is? It's kind of like saying Shotton or Darel Russell knew where the goal was. He was ok yesterday, not shocking, not great. Not deserving of a three page praise thread You've miss-understood what I was meaning to say. I didn't think he was great either, but I did think it was one of his best performances this season and he did seem "up" for the game. I wasn't defending his wayward crossing , I was criticizing it. My comment " More importantly we need a player, who can be guaranteed to get into position to be able to score and who knows where the goal is." refers to the need for a striker to get on the end of Arni's (and Moses) crosses and score. Crouch and Walters are too slow and are too easily marked by good defenders, Diouf is fast and physical, but hasn't demonstrated he has top class goal scoring ability (i.e. "knows where the goal is"). OK?
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Jan 27, 2015 16:30:33 GMT
Post by upthefud on Jan 27, 2015 16:30:33 GMT
Being a winger we can't just accept wayward delivery though. A wingers forte is beating players and delivering decent crosses. He doesn't score goals! How can you say he knows where saying the goal is? It's kind of like saying Shotton or Darel Russell knew where the goal was. He was ok yesterday, not shocking, not great. Not deserving of a three page praise thread You've miss-understood what I was meaning to say. I didn't think he was great either, but I did think it was one of his best performances this season and he did seem "up" for the game. I wasn't defending his wayward crossing , I was criticizing it. My comment " More importantly we need a player, who can be guaranteed to get into position to be able to score and who knows where the goal is." refers to the need for a striker to get on the end of Arni's (and Moses) crosses and score. Crouch and Walters are too slow and are too easily marked by good defenders, Diouf is fast and physical, but hasn't demonstrated he has top class goal scoring ability (i.e. "knows where the goal is"). OK? Yeah got you mate sorry
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